Crucifix vs. cross

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A protestant friend asked why Catholics use crucifixes over crosses? I didn't think we used them more, but we do have them and is there any hidden reason for this? Thank-you...avo

-- Allene van Oirschot (avano@home.com), December 19, 1998

Answers

Christ obtained our salvation by dying on the cross. The cross by itself is simply the instrument of crusifixion. Yes the cross is a simple Christian symbol but we should always remember who was upon the Cross and died there for us, every Friday for that matter.

-- Br. Rich S.F.O. (REPSFO@Prodigy.net), December 19, 1998.

Dear Allene

To the best of my recollection they are both the same thing.

-- E.H.Weiss (weisse@urgentmail.com), March 10, 1999.


I invite you to look up "crux" and cross and see of there the same. Interested in your view. Jamey

-- Jamey (jra@jra-architects.com), March 10, 1999.

The cross signifies he has arrisen and defeated death. The crucifix is satans way of anouncing his church......jesus has not arisen and has not defeated death. They are both idol worship......remember that is the other commandment that the catholic church also did away with........................"changing times and law".

-- Michael (mdroe@erinet.com), March 10, 1999.

I hold the cross with a corpus on it is the traditional method rather then the plain cross.

Peace And Well being

-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.netj), May 15, 1999.



Where is "cross" even found in the Bible?

-- Jamey (jcreel@hcsmail.com), May 15, 1999.

Jamey, as you know, the shape of the wood that Jesus was crucified on (cross) is not specifically described in the Bible. From the Bible, we know that Jesus was crucified by nailing his hands and feet (or more specifically wrists and ankles), to a wooden structure in the manner used by the Romans of that period to execute criminals. We know from historical texts that death by crucifixion was primarily by suffication. One being crucified had their arms spread wide and rested their joined feet on a small post/platform. As they grew weary, they slumped and bore their weight on their arms, but that much weight born on arms in a spread position cut off the air to their lungs. To breathe, the person would have to lift their weight back to their increasingly tired legs until their legs could no longer bear the weight and they would slump once again. This back and forth shifting of weight from the legs to the arms continued until they no longer had the strength to lift themselves back to their legs and they suffocated.

The body of the one being crucified had to be in the shape of a cross in order to facilitate the suffocation. Also, church tradition from the earliest times held that the wooden structure was in the shape of a cross. From the corroboratin historical texts, there is no reason to doubt that, why do you?

What do you believe Jesus was crucified on if not a cross and what is the basis for your belief?

As to a crucifix versus a cross, both can and should have meaning to every Christian. The crucifix to remind us of the suffering and death that Jesus endured in order to purchase our salvation . . . in short it reminds of God's love. Having a crucifix on your wall, in your car or around your neck is a great reminder to never take for granted the tremendous cost that was paid and to keep yourself pure for His sake. The empty cross is to remind us of the Resurrection, the completed work . . . in short it reminds of the power of God. Having a cross in plain view reminds us to live for God and to have faith in His ability to answer prayer and to redeem His children.

That Protestants and Catholics have made these symbols a point of separation is sad. Each cling jealously to the signifiance of their choice and denegrate the other as if it represents an inferior position or understanding. That's pride, pure and simple. We need to repent of that and get past it.

In regards to these symbols being idols, I don't see that. Both serve to remind people of the most significant act that our Lord endured to purchase our salvation. I compare it to wearing a wedding ring. It is symbolic of our marriage vows and the joy of that day. It does not replace your spouse in any way. Today, many teenagers wear WWJD jewelry. Is that also an idol? Surely not. Just ways to remind us to live our lives for our Lord.

-- David (David@matt6:33.com), May 17, 1999.


The crucifix vs. the cross, they both equall,in the catholic view point,veneration. Please check your dictionary to find the meaning of veneration-idol worship.

-- Michael(non-catholic) (mdroe@erinet.com), May 19, 1999.

please check the blueletter bible:

Philippians

Chapter 2

Scroll down to verse 8 to view Greek and Strongs Concordance Table

Phl 2:1 If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Phl 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.

Phl 2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Phl 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Click on a Strong's number to display Lexicon & Strongs Concordance Click on an English word for Search Results & English Concordance Comments on the Multiple Greek Scrolls welcome! Suggestions? E-Mail us!

Phl 2:8 And [2532] (kai) being found [2147] (heurisko)

(5685) in fashion [4976] (schema) as [5613] (hos)

a man [444], (anthropos) he humbled [5013] (tapeinoo)

(5656) himself [1438], (heautou) and became [1096] (ginomai)

(5637) obedient [5255] (hupekoos) unto [3360] (mechri)

death [2288], (thanatos) even [1161] (de)

the death [2288] (thanatos) of the cross [4716]. (stauros)

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

ENRIQUE

-- ENRIQUE ORTIZ (eaortiz@yahoo.com), May 21, 1999.


The point of "cross" is, as correctly pointed out above, the Greek word for "cross" is not in the Bible - anywhere. Only in translations in which the correct term would be "stake" or "timber" or "tree" (Act 5:30 KJV, why here and not everywhere else - it's the same word) be a symbol which is held so dear to many is not in the Bible. The term of "cross" has been overlayed to help to "Christianize" those surrounding pagans (Egyptians, Celts, and so on).

"Cross's" were held in regaurd to many pagan nations prior to Christians even coming on the scene. So no I ask why is a symbol, not even mentioned in the Bible itself, so reverend by those who believe it? And how does this compare with what the Bible does say about idols?

-- Jamey (jcreel@hcsmai.com), May 21, 1999.



David,

"The body of the one being crucified had to be in the shape of a cross in order to facilitate the suffocation. "

Suffocation would occur either way.

-- Jamey (jcreel@hcsmail.com), May 21, 1999.


here it is............

websters dictionary..............

Main Entry: ven7er7ate Pronunciation: 've-n&-"rAt Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): -at7ed; -at7ing Etymology: Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm -- more at WIN Date: circa 1623 1 : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference 2 : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion

websters thessasurus.............

Entry Word: venerate Function: verb Text: Synonyms REVERE, adore, reverence, worship Related Word honor; idolize Idioms put on a pedestal

-- Michael(non-catholic) (mdroe@erinet.com), May 22, 1999.


Uh, Michael, I explained carefully the difference between veneration and worship to you, complete with Bible citations in a private e-mail. You never responded to my explanation, but here you carry on as if nobody has ever said "boo" to you about our beliefs. That's dishonest, friend. I have said it before and I will say it again, I don't think you are serious about seeking truth, I think you are just serious about bashing Catholics.

Hey, I have a question that I will post here and in a different thread. If the Mass is supposedly as Satanic as Michael (and others) says, then why do Satanists celebrate the "Black Mass" in which they parody the Catholic Mass? It stands to reason that Satan would have his followers denegrate and negate the form of worship that most closely follows what God wants for His people. It also stands to reason that if the Catholic Mass is already Satanic, or at least highly deviant from God's intended worship, then Satan would just leave it alone -- it would already be serving his purpose to deceive people.

So why don't Satanists celebrate a "Black Meeting" ala the Jehovah's Witnesses, or a "Black Sunday Sermon" if the Baptists are closest to the truth, or a "Black (you fill in the blank)"?

Why do they celebrate the Black Mass?

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 22, 1999.


i have a friend who from childhood speaks greek, he is from Makedonia (that's the way he writes and pronounces it). i asked him, without mentioning the bible or anything religious, *how do you say cross in greek?* - his answer: stauros.

-does the word have other meanings?

- YES, it means a piece of wood, a stake.

cross, piece of wood, stake... who is to determine which one of these aceptions would be the correct transaltion of STAUROS?

ENRIQUE

-- ENRIQUE ORTIZ (eaortiz@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.


sorry!

i'm coming back to my greek friend. next i asked him if he had a greek bible and of course he had one. "can you show me some passages where the word STAUROS is used?" i asked.

in answer he showed me Mt 10,38; 27,32, Eph 2,16, I Cor 1,23; Col 1,20, and many others. my question is again can anyone say that his or hers is the ONLY correct translation for the word STAUROS? on what basis?

ENRIQUE

-- ENRIQUE ORTIZ (eaortiz@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.



There's lots of archaelogical evidence that Jesus was crucified on a cross vs. a stake. One line of evidence, which I have seen myself, are inscriptions of crosses on burial sites just under St. Peter's basilica that date from early in the first century. If you believe that the early Christians knew enough about Jesus to accurately preserve His words then I think you'll agree they knew enough about how He was killed to draw crosses vs. stakes.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.

Uh David, is Websters dishonest? Calling something by a different name or clothing it does not prove rightousness. Just as Adam ane Eve clothed theirselves after sinning against God did not hide their guilt. Those who know the truth are not deceived by the clothing. Dishonesty comes from deception which i do not proclaim, my words are all backed by the word of God(the Bible) not man. You calling me a catholic basher is just another way of pointing the finger at someonelse. Your church the RCC proclaims it to be the true church of Christ. I as a believer in Christ have the resposibility to ask for proof of your claims. We both hold certain books that speak the word of god but yet we still have a complication. We both can not be right, and maybe even in part both wrong. The key here is to recognize what we agree on and hopefully try and find the answers to the dissagreements together. I am a believer in Christ with an unbiased(non-denominational) oppinion. The RCC proclaims their lineage from Peter the first pope ,but i find no 100% proof. Nor do i think any denomination is fully right. So, the answer is where? Is it in the word of god? Is it in the parrallels of stories in the word of God? When Christ came he found hypocracy in judaism which was the religion of his people. Why? Maybe the answer is quite simple, man in time can distort the truth, is it not possible? Christ himself warns of these false docterines and traditions of men.

-- Michael(non-catholic) (mdroe@erinet.com), May 23, 1999.

Michael,

Websters says that veneration is "to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference." That's not the same as worship. But I have already presented all of this to you and you have not interacted in the least with what I have said.

By the way, Michael, show me with 100% proof that the 27 books that you have in your New Testament are all the Word of God. Can you do that? If so, start it in another thread and we'll see whether you are really interested in 100% proof.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.


Jamey, you wrote:

<< Only in translations in which the correct term would be 'stake' or 'timber' or 'tree' (Act 5:30 KJV, why here and not everywhere else - it's the same word) >>

Because it's not the same word at all. At Acts 5:30 the Greek is xulon, "tree". Elsewhere the word is stauros, "cross" which is what Jesus was crucified on.

<< The point of 'cross' is, as correctly pointed out above, the Greek word for 'cross' is not in the Bible - anywhere. >>

Ok, what Greek word should the New Testament authors have used to say "cross"? Please tell us.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.


David Websters says exactly what i copied word for word from their website .

See above answer starting with "here it is"

-- Michael(non-catholic) (mdroe@erinet.com), May 23, 1999.


Michael, the Catholic Church has explained again and again the difference between veneration and worship, most recently AGAIN in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church. I have already explained to you that we do not worship these things. I have even cited the Catechism to you. I showed you where the Catechism even says that it would be idolatry to do so. Still you insist that we do the very thing our Church says we must not do. If you will not take the Catholic Church's own word for it that Catholics do not worship statues or the Blessed Virgin Mary then you are simply a dishonest man. Period.

These are the things the prove to me that you are not interested in truth, only in bashing the Catholic Church.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 23, 1999.


David, then Websters is also dishonest for giving false meanings to words! You catholics should protest Websters and send letters to the pope concerning this isue :)

You may call me dishonest if you will. I turn the other cheek. My presence here is to only open eyes and ears. I don't know , if i were catholic and there were so many people who proclaimed that the pope was antichrist i think i would question it.

How about this question David:

If a new cathicism by the pope came out today and it said that it was allright to kill any person who questions the catholic religion, would you?

-- Michael(non-catholic) (mdroe@erinet.com), May 23, 1999.


let's suppose for a moment that all dictionaries in the world define venerate as idol-worship. when i say i venerate my parents, i venerate my teachers, etc, does it mean that inside myself i'm an idol worshipper? who, apart from God, knows what goes inside me?

ENRIQUE

-- ENRIQUE ORTIZ (eaortiz@yahoo.com), May 24, 1999.


Oh, and by the way Michael, just because Webster's has the word "worship" as its fifth or sixth possible definition of "venerate" doesn't prove what you think it proves. In older English they used to address a judge as "your Worship." Do you think they thought he was God?

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 24, 1999.

I don't know what people think about Jehovah's Witnesses but let me clear up a few misconseptions. Jehovah's Witnesses Defenition: The world wide Christian Society of people who activly bear eitness regarding Jehovah God and his purposes affecting mankind. They base their beliefs solely on the Bible. These are the beliefs that set Jehovah's Witnesses apart as diffrent from other religions: 1 Bible: Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for ALL their beliefs. 2 God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind. Any one who publicly witnesses about Jehovah is usually identifitd as belonging to the one group- "Jehovah's Witnesses" 3 Jesus Christ: The believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the bible says, he is the son of God, the first of God's creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from hevean to the womb of a virgin Mary;that his perfect human life laid down in sacraficd makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith; that Crist is actively ruling as King, with God-given authority over all the earth since 1914. 4 God's Kingdom: They believe that God's Kingdom is the only hope for mankind;that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail. 5 Heveanly Life: They believe that 144,000 spirit anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him. They do not believe that heaven is the reward for everyone who is "good." 6 The earth: They believe that God's original purppse for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an oppourturnity to share in these blessings. 7 Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God's memory, so hope for their ruture life lies in a resurrection from the dead. 8 Last Days: They believe that we are living now, since 1914, in the last days of this wicked system of things; that some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world; that lovers of righteousness will survive into a cleansed earth. 9 Sepraate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, ad Jusus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Chrietian love for their neighbors, but the do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world's avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure. 10 Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God's Word in everyday life now-at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.Regardless of a person's past way of life, he may become one of Jehovah's Witnesses if he abandons practices condemned by God's Word and applies its godly couesel. But if any one thereafter manes a practice of adultery, fornication, homosexuality, drug abuese drunkenness, lying, or stealing, he(or she) will be disfellowshiped from he orginization. ( The above list briefly states some outstanding beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses but by no means all the points on which their beliefs are diffrent from those of all other groups. Scriptural basis for the above beliefs can be found through the Index of [The:Reasoning from the Scruptures, book] Thank you very much for taking the time to understand a few of my points on Jehovahs Witnesses's. Now about the cross the defenition is the device on which Jesus Christ was executed which is referred to by most of Christendom as a cross. The expression is drawn from the latin crux. The Greek word renderd "ctoss" in many midern Bible versions is stau.ros` which means, in classical Greek, merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a cross piece. The Imperial Bible Dictionary acknowledges this saying:"The Greek word for cross [stau.ros`], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or poece of paling, on which any thing might be hung, or which might be used in impaling {fenceing in] a piece of ground...Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole." Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol.1, p.376

...It is noteworthy that the Bible also uses theword xy`lon to identify the device used. A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, defines this as meaning :"Wood cut and ready for use, firewood, timber, etc....piece of wood, log, beam, post.... Cudgel,club....Stake on which criminals were impaled... of live wood,tree" This evedince is all I can offer at this present moment for lck of time but I may return with more non-scriptural and scriptural evidence of Jesus being impaled on a cross and where the cross that Christendom uses is really found and the backgrounds of such beliefs. I am but a sixteen year old girl defending the religion that I have been brought up to believe from the age of 2. Thank you.

-- 'Stasia' .S. (Prestasia@blackplanet.com), January 23, 2002.


Stasia,

Thank you for your post here. A question though, as a Jehovah's Witness do you believe that Jesus is God, or just a man?

Thanks,

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 23, 2002.


Frank,
Stasia can correct me if she wishes, but the answer to your question is that JWs do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. They are neo-Arians.

Stasia got off to an awfully bad start by not telling us the truth about her religion. She stated:
"Jehovah's Witnesses Definition: The world wide Christian Society ..."

In fact, the Watchtower/JW religion is not Christian, according to the accepted definition of that word.

As one apologetics organization states:
"The answer to the question [Is the JWs' religion Christian] is, 'No. It is not Christian.' Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings."

God bless you.
John
PS: As has been shown above and in other forum threads, Stasia is wrong about the stauros/stake business. That was a pure invention of the JWs in the 19th century. If Stasia knew about the sordid history of the JWs (especially its founder and his successors in leadership, phony predictions of the end of the world, etc.), and if she knew the facts about our religion (rather than the falsehoods about us that she has been fed), she would become a Catholic Christian for sure.

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), January 25, 2002.


John,

Thanks. I do know a bit about JW beliefs, and was hoping to ask Stasia about a few of them. It doesn't seem like she's returning, however.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 25, 2002.


We do believe in christ as divine. Not as god, but divine. Those statements are a distortment of the truth of how thing work in the Jehovahs Witnesses 'christian' relgion. We believe Jesus is gods son, and was sent as a manifestation of that to Mary as her child. He was simply transferred from an angelic to a fleshly body. Their is no alteration of the bible being done. It simply is translated more accurately than other translations from source material closer to the original. In a time where people were being slaughtered over their beliefs, and the christian church was at its most corrupt, I think the King James Version is suspect to having more modficiation, or more accurately, censorship than most.

As for the cross vs. stake, it makes sense that most christian religions borrow from roman pagan tradition, like they do with the holidays for instance, as both Christmas and Easter were based on roman traditions, and while christmas has nothing to do with christs birth, easter has nothing to do with him either or anything of the sort and is actually a celebration of fertility.

-- (drell0@hotmail.com), July 26, 2003.


How best to overthrow a pagan religion than by putting a Christian celebration in its place?

The problem that I have with either a cross or crucifix is this.

Let's imagine that Christ was sacrificed with an arrow. Would we then walk around wearing tiny arrows around our necks? It is rather morbid to wear a mockup of the instrument of death. So, it isn't the instrument, but the meaning. Christ died and is Risen for our Salvation. We know He is risen, we know it was a cross, and we know that He died for us.

Rodrigo... .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 26, 2003.


Hi Drello,

I have always wanted to ask a JW what they do with the following passages concerning Christ,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. (The preexistence of Christ)

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

Hebrews 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS NATURE, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When he had made purificiation of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

John 1:3 All things came into being by Him and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -- all things have been created by Him and for Him.

Hebrews 1:1 . . . in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

Jesus says: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." He elsewhere says, "No one comes to the Father except through me."

Gotta run,

Love,

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 26, 2003.


sorry Rodrigo, you miss the point...yes the cross is symbolic of our Lord's Death -that Death that put to death death itself, that Death that renders Satan powerless and opens the gates of Heaven for us. But St. Paul himself "PROCLAIMS CHRIST CRUCIFIED" 1 Cor.1:23, "..A STUMBLING BLOCK TO THE JEWS AND FOOLISHNESS TO THE GENTILES"..

And again Paul says to the Galations in chapter 3 "Oh STUPID GALATIONS! WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU,BEFORE WHOSE EYES JESUS CHRIST WAS PUBLICLY PORTRAYED AS CRUCIFIED".. {as in ..crucifix}.

In Gal. 2:19,20.. "I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me..."

Ephesians 6:14 gives us "But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.."

I LOVE the Crucifix! I have one around my neck, {don't tell me the enemy doesn't shiver at the sight of it}, I have one over my marriage bed. I have one hanging in my living room. These are reminders that WE ARE CALLED LIKEWISE TO CRUCIFIED LOVE.

Do you know when an exhorcism is called for one of the chief effective instraments of weaponry to be held by the big guns {Catholic priests of course} is the ..yep..CRUCIFIX.

You see Rod, God is outside of time and space as we know it, yes He is risen, but until He comes again in glory, we too can have access to the Crucified Lord, not only access, but the necessary Presence of the Crucified Lord. This is imperative at times of great suffering and trial, where else can we take it but to Him? Theresa

-- Theresa Huether (Rodntee4Jesus@aol.com), July 27, 2003.


Righto, Lady Tee, and yes, Satan shudders at the cross of Christ, because it was THERE that CHRIST WON THE VICTORY! ON THE CROSS as He shed His precious blood for you and me -- the very blood of God's own son. He set demons to flight by His shed blood. He caused the host of the underworld to cringe and writhe in fear and terror.

You see, Satan thought he had won when he incited that mob against our Lord. He thought he had won when the crowds cried "Crucify Him! We want Barabbas!" . . . . But then something strange began to happen as he watched the nails penetrate the hands and feet of our Lord. His power began to ebb, he began to feel a dizzying nauseousness, his dominions began to shrink and shrivel. He noted his top commandoes looked like beaten down crows . . . "This isn't like the shedding of the blood of goats and rams," Satan thought, "This isn't like the shedding of the blood of sheep. This isn't like the shedding of the blood of bulls. No, this is different . . . but what is IT" he says to himself. Then as Christ breathed his last breath, crying out "It is finished!" Satan finally got it -- "Oh noooo, shrieked Satan . . . it's . . . it's . . . . THE BLOOD OF GOD!"

Gail

P.S. "Behold the Lamb of God" cried the angels "WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD," and as the old song goes, "There is power, power, wonder working power, in the precious blood of the Lamb."

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 27, 2003.


Hi Theresa.

I don't believe that I have missed the point. Read my post over again.

My family wears the cross and I have crosses in a number of rooms in my house. I also have quite a few crucifixes and rosaries.

Your reply adds more to my understanding, thanks.

Rodrigo. .. ... . .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 27, 2003.


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