Old Timers-No frames-Best Sites

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Two questions-is there a way to get no frames at this site? If pressed for time, what sites do you visit on a daily basis for best and most up-to-date information.

-- Linda A. (adahi@muhlon.com), December 16, 1998


This is the only site you need. I recommend, seriously, that you correspond with Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts. I swear to the living God, he is the only one worth listening to. Everyone else is living in a fantasy land. Jimmy is the best thing that has happened to this forum.

Linda, if you can't figure out what you need to do in the next 370 days, you are screwed anyway.

Listen to Bagga. I mean REALLY listen. go back and read ONLY his posts.

***** AVOID THE MAGNET *****

-- epigone (cc@oldie.com), December 16, 1998.

Linda, there are several I really like. I start with this one:


-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), December 17, 1998.


Here are four of the best sources for current information...

Search engine for current magazine and press articles on Y2K: http://search.excite.com/search.gw?collection=timely&lk=excite&search= y2k+millennium+bug

Year 2000 Press Clippings: http://www.year2000.com/articles/articles.html

Gary North's newest links: http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/latest_.cfm

Current information and indicators on the state of the economy: http://www.dismal.com/

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), December 17, 1998.

Linda A.,

The way I access this forum without frames is to start at http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/ (Welcome to LUSENET), then click on the TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) link about 2/3 of the way down the page.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), December 17, 1998.

Frames? I didn't even know there were frames here. I got the link to this forum from someone else, and never looked back.

Netscape on CD-ROM is only $10.00, it deals with frames pretty well. See Netscape Communicator CD-ROM Version 4.5 with 128-bit Encryption

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), December 17, 1998.

No Spam Please:

Thanks for the No Frames information and Linda A., thanks for asking! I have a lot to learn about computers. Could someone explain to me how to make an underlined link?

-- Sylvia (in Miss'ippi) (bluebirdms@aol.com), December 17, 1998.

1. How to find your way around this discussion board

Link for Y2k Discussion list sorted by New Answers

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-new- answers.tcl?topic=TimeBomb%202000%20%28Y2000%29

This view (using the above link) is convenient but does not show the categories, to see them, go to the view which is sorted by New Questions:

Link for Top Level (New Questions)

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=TimeBomb%202000%20% 28Y2000%29

TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000)

a question and answer forum associated with Ed Yourdon's Y2000 book.

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How-to's are in the first (admin) category. The number in parens is how many discussion threads in the category.

Once you get the discussion starting page without frames in your browser window, add it to your favorites (bookmarks). Use Alt+a, a in IE4, use Alt+b, a in Netscape. In Windows, you can also drag any hyperlink (including any of the ones in this message, unless the reply formatter chews it up) to your desktop for easy reference, or to a Word doc.

Note: when dragging the current URL from the browser windows, it's easiest to drag the small icon appearing to the left of the URL.

2. How to post links and formatted messages

From: Tips on Posting HTML
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=000EhD

Posting a hyperlink
When posting a hyperlink, start a new line in the Reply input box. Hit Enter before and after the first tag (the non- visible part that has the URL) and the link text (the visible part). This way you can have up to 62 characters in the URL and it won't split up. 62 = 70 (character width of the input box on the reply submission form) - 8 (href="">).
An example:
<href=" http://domain/file-part-of-URL-link-to">
Link text (visible part)

Note: only the blue text will show up in the posted message.
How to use Word for writing messages (updated)
Here is a simple method for writing formatted replies that does not require direct-typing HTML.
  1. Use Word to make a new document (Alt+f, n).
  2. Write your reply in this document window. You can drag in URLs and shortcuts or you can manually insert them with Alt+i, i. Use all the familiar Word text controls.
  3. Proofread your reply for how it looks overall. Put everything into 12-point Times font (to match the default) by using Ctrl+a, Ctrl+o, f, then select Times New Roman, and 12 pt. Next save the file, give it a descriptive name, such as 'How to format with Word'.
  4. Next convert this Word Doc to HTML with File, Save as HTML (or Alt+f,h).
  5. Then go to HTML view using Alt+v, s. (Note: when finished with this mode, use Alt+v, s again to exit the source code view. ) You can now select the part of the text that you want to post (start right after the opening body tag <body> and its parameters, and stop right before the closing body tag, </body>), then copy to clipboard (Ctrl+c), then flip to the browser window (Alt+Tab), and go to the posting reply input text box and paste (Ctrl+v). Check through the text (especially the opening and closing) to review for missing tags. Put in carriage returns (what a concept) before each anchor hypertext reference tag, both the opening and closing, to improve BBS reply formatter survival. These types of source code changes do not survive the Word formatter, so they need to be done in the input box.
  6. Hit submit, and when done right, your reply will look exactly like it does in Word.

For more info see:

HTML Posting Techniques

HTML 101
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=000HxH

3. For a good starting-out Y2k site:

Alan's Y2k Pages: Year 2000 (Y2K): Y2-KO or Y2-OK?

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), December 17, 1998.

In Jon's preceding posting, the hot link example should have had "a " just prior to the "href=":
<a href=" http://domain/file-part-of-URL-link-to">
Link text (visible part)

Note: only the blue text will show up in the posted message.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), December 17, 1998.

Right, thanks NSP. What happens when I rely on Word to format responses....

Also meant to remind people to use the "right-click, open in new window" method of opening links. This saves time by starting up one window after another, and by the time the 5th or 6th window starts loading the first one is done. The windows are best arranged as staggered from upper left to lower right. I also usually have a Word window going as well, in case I want to save links or text.

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), December 17, 1998.

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