Remember the "predictions" thread from a few weeks ago? Well, we past the 11/17 Leonid showers unscathed, despite some dire predictions. Now I may be wrong, but I didn't see anything on 12/7 that would make me believe in UFO's, did you? Did I miss something? What's the current status of the UFO takeover stuff?

Now all we have to do is get past the solar flares and planetary alignments, and maybe folks can settle down and start concentrating on the real issues of Y2K. O yeah, I forgot, isn't WWIII supposed to start in July of 1999 according to the Fatima predictions?

Sometimes I wonder if the credibility of Y2K awareness folks isn't hampered by being lumped in with all of the other "outrageous" doomsday predictions. It's like crying wolf. People become numb to the warnings.

David

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), December 08, 1998

Answers

Hoagland had an update on Art Bell night of 12/7. Arizona possible observations were "snowed out" by a "freak" storm.

-- x (x@x.com), December 08, 1998.

x, did they mention what Hoagland *thought* they might see in the first place?

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), December 08, 1998.

Hoagland believes that the aliens created the "sideways" snowstorm so that no one could see them bringing in the Universal Lobotomy Machine. He says that this device, at a cosmically calculated time, determined by a precise alignment of the stars, will suck in all of the energy in the universe and blow it back out in the form of super-intense laser beams. By reflecting off of all of the mysterious triangle-shaped objects, and planets and moons in EXACTLY the correct positions, these lasers will penetrate a precise position inside of the brain of every living creature on this planet. This will convert us into mindless zombies who will only know how to do three things: Defecate, eat our defecations, and dig up gold for the aliens. When every last molecule of gold has been transported to their ships, the entire planet will be converted into anti-matter and collapse into a black hole, which will from that day forward be known as "The Asshole of the Universe." So this is what Hoagland means when he says that the landing in Arizona yesterday is "only the beginning."

-- (okey@dokey.com), December 08, 1998.

That UFO story had pretty much been discredited before 12/07. It was old news when December started.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), December 08, 1998.

The Fatima predictions contain no specific dates and only general predictions of events.

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), December 08, 1998.

Franklin, so sorry, my mistake, it was Nostrodamas that said July 4, 1999 would be the start of WWIII. I first read that while taking a curiosity cruise through several Catholic prophecy websites which included the predictions of Fatima (hence the accidental connection). See one of them at http://web1.tusco.net/ourlady/fatima.htm#QUOTATIONS. It links Fatima predictions with Nostrosdamas predictions starting in 1999 and resulting in 66% of the world's population being destroyed over a 30 year period by "God's Chastisements".

Anyway, my basic point is that the years 1999 and 2000 have everyone in an end-of-the-world tizzy from alot of angles. These predictions have come and gone countless times with nothing happening and nary an explanation. I was just curious to see if the folks who originally introduced the ufo predictions to this forum had anything to say in defense of the 12/7 non-event.

I was also intimating that we probably are just in the beginning of a landslide of soon to be revealed end-of-the-world predictions. They could very well impact our credibility in promoting Y2K readiness, remediation and contingency planning. Other threads have expressed concern over some of the extreme positions taken by Gary North, Paul Milne, etc. Whether or not they are justified in their approach, only time will tell. But we have a legitimate issue in Y2K and right now, it's tough to distinguish ourselves as an important voice to be heard when our loudest proponents are sounding like end-of-the-world babblers.

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), December 08, 1998.

David I have personally seen a very large UFO at a very close distance while still daylight. This was at an Air Force base that shared it's airstrip with a Boeing plant. The Boeing plant had an underground skunk works shop. My guess was that it was a flyby for key people at Boeing. There is something out there other than planes, ballons, etc.

I do agree with the theme of this thread that this kind of thing only serves to distract some from the Y2K issue. As for Hoagland and Art Bell IMHO they are con artists in the same vogue as Rush Limbaugh. I sometimes wonder how much of this stuff eminates from the phyc opps shops of the government.

-- Ed (ed@terraworld.net), December 08, 1998.

But if you've identified it as a UFO, surely it isn't a UFO any more?

-- Leo (leo_champion@hotmail.com), December 08, 1998.

Correct!

It then becomes a PIUFO

-- Uncle Deedah (oncebitten@twiceshy.com), December 08, 1998.

PIUFO?

-- Leo (leo_champion@hotmail.com), December 09, 1998.

Its still a UFO even if you've seen it, unless you identify it (eg as being a type A craft from the planet whatnot). Anyway the UFOs landed in England near Warnham not over there. The way I can tell is that they do not like negative ions, they keep switching off my ioniser.

-- Richard Dale (rdale@figroup.co.uk), December 09, 1998.

David, the ufologist believers and sceptics should be posting on their own forums. Anyway where is your limeristic contribution?

-- Richard Dale (rdale@figroup.co.uk), December 09, 1998.

In deference to the honorable Sir Richard of Dale, I shall offer this rhyme, though comparisons surely pale.

When viewing this forum's past predictions, I noted some bearing alien convictions. With tongue firmly planted in cheek, I submitted my question of the week. Hoping to hear update descriptions.

The 7th of December we're told to watch, so they say, The skies over Texas, at night, by the way. For surely we'll witness, Sights that'll render us witless, Of Martians and spaceships at play.

As instructed the crowds viewed the heaven's quite vast. Yet nothing appeared save a storm moving fast. It cloaked the display, Leaving all in dismay, With Mr. Hoagland perplexed and aghast.

"UFO's are still coming" they quickly defend. Changing dates and times the predictions they ammend. For surely it can't be, That we're alone you see, Lest the fantasies be brought to an end.

Now with apologies to all, I'll get back on track. For Y2K is real and the issues never lack. If in the future I see "ufo", I'll simply respond "just say no", And leave those who believe intact.

David

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), December 09, 1998.

David, you have truly passed the initiation with flying colours. Welcome to Yourdon!

Now I need to re-establish my poetic credentials quick, and stop resting on my laurels.

-- Richard Dale (rdale@figroup.co.uk), December 09, 1998.