Brady 2: dead on arrival (as intended?)

greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

This is for those interested in the 2nd amendment. Was in the local gun shop buying slugs today for my beautiful Benelli S90. The place was in chaos due to the Brady 2 phone instant check requirement. Not a single long gun has been sold all day. Not for lack of customers, but they have not gotten through to the instant check service ALL DAY. Not once! The whole thing is described by the store personnel as "chaos". Fortunately for them in this state the handgun process is unchanged, so they are still in business. But if this is how the Federales bring a new system on line, what is the prognosis for y2k ?

-RC

-- Run Way Cat (runway_cat@hotmail.com), November 30, 1998

Answers

I just saw a clip about it on the local news. They said the system was overloaded and basically crashed. Why doesn't this surprise me?

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), November 30, 1998.

RC, although I agree with your sentiments completely, I think that we should also note "motivation" factors, including positive versus negative ones. Somehow, the motivation to have the "instantaneous" background check so that people can purchase firearms actually is undoubtedly lacking on the part of The Powers That Be. In fact, right now, I am willing to predict that should this become a long term problem, and is publicized, the reaction from The Usual Gang Of Idiots will be: "Oh, but think of how many lives were saved by the system not working. If but one life gets saved by the system not working, then ... yada-yada-yada." The big lesson to be learned (and re-learned) is what happens when we surrender our freedoms. (Can you imagine the hue and cry that would take place if the news media had to have each and every article that they wanted to print subject to an "instant check" by Big Brother?)

Sorry, kinda went off on a tangent there. Always do when our 2nd Amendment freedoms are at stake....

-- Jack (jsprat@eld.net), November 30, 1998.

How do you know it crashed? Why do you think the chaos is unintentional? Maybe the whole idea is to be very very slow....

-- RD. ->H (drherr@erols.com), November 30, 1998.

RD, I'm just repeating what the news said about crashing. As to the government.... they have SUCH an excellent record for getting things right! :-)

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), November 30, 1998.

"Maybe the whole idea is to be very very slow.... "

Doen't exactly build up confidence, does it. President Bush said something like 'If you want to slow down the aging process, just make it go through Congress'.

-- Rob Michaels (sonofdust@net.com), November 30, 1998.



As I understand it, December is the biggest sales month for gun sales (Hunting season and Christmas). What better time to implement than Nov 30?

But, on the other hand I wouldn't want to be pissing somebody trying to buy a gun.

I saw this coming a while back and got a concealed permit. The CWP, in some states exempt you from the federal requirement.

MVI

-- MVI (vtoc@aol.com), November 30, 1998.


Bought a 12G shotgun yesterday, hee hee! Stand in line today, ya fools, Haw Haw! Are these the same people who will "Get It"?

NO NO NO

I don't think so!

-- Dieter (questions@toask.com), November 30, 1998.


Yesterday, only about 10 miles from where I live, three masked and armed gunman stormed a "Western Surplus" store in Hawthorne, CA (a suburb of L.A.). "Western Surplus" carries weapons, camping and survival gear. Immediately, an armed "security" guard shot one of the men, another fled and another managed to hold up within the store. Needless to say, the area SWAT Team was out in full force and managed to get the idiot to surrender. I hate to think what might have happened if he decided he would go down in a blaze of gunfire. He had food, water and a whole lot of firepower to play with. I frequently visit my local range and a few odd gun shops around my local area. In all shops it is a common site to see the employees openly armed. I wonder what the motivation was for these three men to try such an insane idea and I can only come up with three possibilities. They HAD to do it before December 1 or they were absolute idiots or a combination of the two. I wonder how many times this scenario will play out before TSHTF? I think the black market will pick up quickly.

Mike ===

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), November 30, 1998.


Too bad the SWAT team didn't take their best shot. This run on purchasing guns will be just like the Y2K run on toilet paper and SPAM, get it while you can. And one more thing, the Feds can't be everywhere to control everything at the same time.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), November 30, 1998.

The phone call-in system doesn't give you much confidence in the organisers to hold a piss-up in a brewery.

There was a similar fiasco in California when MTBE was added to fuel - result = bad running engines, more pollution, ruined fuel lines, MTBE leaking into streams and lakes killing fish etc. etc.

Took a couple of years' worth of campaigning to get the problem addressed.

"Yep, 5 days food and water sounds about right, eh Mabel?"

-- Andy (andy_rowland@msn.com), November 30, 1998.



You got it right.

A month ago there was a post, either to this forum or to csy2k to the effect that while all the stores had been given instructions on what to do at the sales end, the FBI (or whoever) at the other end hadn't geared up at all.

This very thing was predicted. No one would be able to get through.

De facto gun control, guys and girls, to accompany the not very de facto bank snooping. Welcome to the land of the free.

-- ... (no_guns@myhouse.com), November 30, 1998.


I was told on the radio today by Darrell Gates....former Chief of LA police that California law applies BEFORE the new Insta-Check....Don't matter to me...I have my weapons. Oh California law is 10-day wait....What was it the Nazis did with gun control way back when?

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), November 30, 1998.

Just heard on local news show that gun stores still can't get through the insta-check. Glitches with computers, is official explanation given to reporter. Store owners ticked, say, "Hey, this is right before Christmas." Several customers very angry with govt. "Damn computers." Hhhmmm, will it become a theme song?

xxxxxxx xxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), December 03, 1998.


http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/PoliticalNation/gunlaws981203.html

Here is a new article about gun laws. There is a map to click on your state for research. There is an update on Insta-Check.

xxxxxxx xxxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), December 04, 1998.


I believe that the NRA has filed suit to stop the Brady 2 law stating that the Govt is acting illegally. Anybody with more info on this?

-- Ex-Cop (excop@police.com), December 05, 1998.


The NRA suiut, according to the news story I saw, is only to prevent the FBI from keeping a list of the names called in for gun checks. The fibbies want to keep the names -- for six months, they say -- to "make sure the system is running properly," even tho the law specifically prohibits it. No mention made of the massive screw up, deliberate or not, which has essentially halted all formal gun sales in my part of the world. Next we'll be hearing about soaring prices for private sales.

-- JDC (yankeejdc@aol.com), December 05, 1998.

Latest on the radio...Clinton cooing about the new insta-check....they have deprived "unsuitables" and felons of 400 weapons all due to the savior insta-check. Are our hearts all aflutter?

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), December 05, 1998.

Yahoo! News Top Stories Headlines
Saturday December 5 10:15 AM ET

Clinton Hails New Gun-Buyer Background Check System

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the first four days of a new national system of instant background checks on gun buyers, more than 400 people were prevented from purchasing firearms, President Clinton said Saturday. Clinton, highlighting the system's effectiveness in keeping guns out of the wrong hands, also challenged the National Rifle Association to stop trying to undermine the Brady handgun control law, and called on Congress to strengthen the legislation by requiring a waiting period for gun purchases.

``We can't turn back.... We can't go back to the days when dangerous criminals walked away from stores with new guns, no questions asked,'' Clinton said in his weekly radio address.

The new system of instant background checks began this week at the height of the gun-sale season. December is the busiest month for firearms sales when hunting seasons coincide with Christmas. In its first four days, the system reviewed more than 100,000 prospective gun sales, according to the White House.

``And in just four days, we stopped more than 400 felons, fugitives, stalkers, and other prohibited purchasers from walking away with new guns,'' said Clinton. ``Who knows how many lives were saved.''

But the president noted that within 24 hours of the system going into effect, the NRA went to court to block it.

``The gun lobby's goal is plain.... They'll stop at nothing to gut the Brady law and undermine our efforts to keep more guns from falling into the wrong hands,'' he said.

Clinton urged the next Congress, which convenes in January, to pass legislation to require a minimum waiting period before a handgun sale becomes final.

The ``cooling off'' period would help prevent rash acts of violence and give authorities more time to stop illegal gun purchases, he said. Clinton also called on Congress to ban juveniles convicted of violent crimes from owning guns for life and said he had asked Attorney General Janet Reno to find ways to close a loophole in the law that exempts some firearms sold at gun shows from the background check system.

Federal law bans gun purchases by people convicted or under indictment for felony charges, fugitives, the mentally ill, those with dishonorable military discharges, those who have renounced U.S. citizenship, illegal aliens, illegal drug users and those convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors or who are under restraining orders.

The Brady law was named after James Brady, who was wounded in an attack on President Ronald Reagan i

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), December 05, 1998.


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19981205/ts/ guns_3.html

For above article.
xxxxxxx xxxxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), December 05, 1998.


Anyone ever seen the episode of "The Simpsons" where Homer goes into the gunshop, and when told of the waiting period, he whines..."But I'm mad NOW!"

Yep, indeed,...only those folks 'mad now' go and buy guns...yep, yep, yep!

Caramba!!!!

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), December 05, 1998.


# # # 19981205

Long post ... text of the 12/01/1998 law suit!

Regards, Bob Mangus # # #

[BEGIN] POSTED TO mi-rkba BY: Arlynn Afton

Text of 12/1/98 lawsuit:

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

[Note: the formatting of this HTML document is somewhat different from the printed version submitted to the court.]

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF )

AMERICA, INC. )

11250 Waples Mill Rd. )

Fairfax, VA 22030, )

)

LAW ENFORCEMENT ALLIANCE )

OF AMERICA, INC. )

7700 Leesburg Pike, Suite 421 )

Falls Church, VA 22043, )

)

JANE DOES I and II, and )

)

JOHN DOES I, III, and IV, )

)

Plaintiffs )

)

v. ) CIVIL ACTION NO.

)

JANET RENO )

Attorney General of )

the United States )

U.S. Department of Justice )

Washington, D.C., )

) Defendant )

COMPLAINT

(For Declaratory Judgment and Injunctive

Relief and Writ of Mandamus)

1. This is an action pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 ("Act"), Pub. L. 103-159, 107 Stat. 1536 (1993), to protect the privacy rights of lawful transferees of firearms by requiring the destruction of records concerning persons approved to receive firearms by the national instant criminal background check system ("NICS") and to preclude any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions.

Parties

2. Plaintiff National Rifle Association of America, Inc. ("NRA"), which has a membership of almost 3 million persons, is incorporated under the laws of New York, with its principal place of business in Fairfax, Virginia. The purposes of NRA include teaching firearms safety, promoting the shooting sports, and fostering the lawful use of firearms. Virtually all NRA members own firearms. NRA brings this action on behalf of itself and its members.

3. Plaintiff Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Inc. ("LEAA") is a non-profit membership association made up of over 65,000 members and supporters consisting of law enforcement professionals and concerned citizens dedicated to making America safer. A large proportion of LEAA members own firearms. LEAA is incorporated in Virginia with its principal place of business in Falls Church, Virginia. LEAA brings this action on behalf of itself and its members.

4. Plaintiff Jane Doe I is a resident of New Jersey and an NRA member. Plaintiff Jane Doe II is a resident of Virginia and an LEAA member. Plaintiff John Doe I is a resident of Kentucky and an NRA member. Plaintiff John Doe III is a resident of Ohio and a member of NRA and LEAA.

Plaintiff John Doe IV is a resident of Arizona and an NRA member. All such plaintiffs are citizens of the United States. They bring this action under these pseudonyms so as not to forfeit their privacy rights under the Act which this action is instituted to protect.

5. Defendant Janet Reno is the Attorney General of the United States, U.S. Department of Justice, whose principal place of business is in Washington, D.C. The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are subject to her supervision and control. She is being sued in her official capacity as such.

Jurisdiction

6. Jurisdiction is founded on 28 U.S.C. ? 1331 in that this case arises under the Constitution and laws of the United States, and is a controversy to which the United States is a party; and on 28 U.S.C. ? 1361 in that a writ of mandamus is sought to compel an officer or employee of the United States to perform a duty owed to the plaintiffs. Plaintiffs also seek review pursuant to the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. ? 701, et seq.

Background

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System

7. ? 103(b) of the Act provides:

Not later than 60 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish a national instant criminal background check system that any licensee may contact, by telephone or by other electronic means in addition to the telephone, for information, to be supplied immediately, on whether receipt of a firearm by a prospective transferee would violate section 922 of title 18, United States Code, or State law. (Emphasis added.)

8. ? 102(b) of the Act created 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t). Under ? 922(t)(1), beginning 30 days after the Attorney General notifies licensed firearms dealers, manufacturers, and importers that the NICS is established, such licenses may not transfer a firearm to a non- licensee, subject to certain exceptions, without having first contacted the system. The licensee may transfer the firearm after (i) "the system provides the licensee with a unique identification number" or (ii) "3 business days . . . have elapsed since the licensee contacted the system, and the system has not notified the licensee that the receipt of a firearm by such other person would violate" the law. The licensee must verify the identity of the transferee by examining a valid identification document.

9. ? 922(t)(2) provides:

If the receipt of a firearm would not violate section 922(g) or (n) or state law, the system shall--

(A) assign a unique identification number to the transfer;

(B) provide the licensee with the number; and

(C) destroy all records of the system with respect to the call (other than the identifying number and the date the number was assigned) and all records of the system relating to the person or the transfer.

10. The above verbs "assign," "provide," and "destroy" are used in the present tense. The Act contains no language authorizing a delay in any of these three functions.

11. ? 103(h) of the Act provides that "the Attorney General shall prescribe regulations to ensure the privacy and security of the information of the system established under this section." This "privacy and security" of the system's information with respect to firearms purchasers and transactions is ensured in part through the requirement that the records be destroyed immediately, making such information unavailable to the Attorney General, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and any other governmental entities.

12. These same goals are further mandated by ? 103(i) of the Act, which provides:

PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS. -- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.

13. ? 621, Title VI of Pub.L. 105-277, signed by the President into law on October 22, 1998, provides:

Brady Handgun National Instant Check System (NICS)

None of the funds appropriated pursuant to this Act or any other provision of law may be used for . . . (2) any system to implement 18 U.S.C. 922(t) that does not require and result in the destruction of any identifying information submitted by or on behalf of any person who has been determined not to be prohibited from owning a firearm.

The Regulations

14. By authority of defendant Janet Reno, Attorney General, the U.S. Department of Justice promulgated AG Order No. 2186-98 -- Final rule: National Instant Criminal Background Check System Regulation, 63 FR 58303 (Oct. 30, 1998), creating 28 CFR Part 25, with an effective date of November 30, 1998.

15. 28 CFR ? 25.2 includes the following pertinent definitions:

FFL (federal firearms licensee) means a person licensed by the ATF as a manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms.

NICS means the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which an FFL must, with limited exceptions, contact for information on whether receipt of a firearm by a person who is not licensed under 18 U.S.C. 923 would violate Federal or state law.

NICS Index means the database, to be managed by the FBI, containing information provided by Federal and state agencies about persons prohibited under Federal law from receiving or possessing a firearm. . . .

NICS Operations Center means the unit of the FBI that receives telephone or electronic inquiries from FFLs to perform background checks, makes a determination based upon available information as to whether the receipt or transfer of a firearm would be in violation of Federal or state law, researches criminal history records, tracks and finalizes appeals, and conducts audits of system use.

NTN (NICS Transaction Number) means the unique number that will be assigned to each valid background check inquiry received by the NICS. Its primary purpose will be to provide a means of associating inquiries to the NICS with the responses provided by the NICS to the FFLs.

16. Before transferring a firearm, a licensee (FFL) must contact NICS and provide information about the proposed transferee. ? 25.7 provides:

(a) The following search descriptors will be required in all queries of the system for purposes of a background check:

(1) Name;

(2) Sex;

(3) Race;

(4) Complete date of birth; and

(5) State of residence.

(b) A unique numeric identifier may also be provided to search for additional records based on exact matches by the numeric identifier. Examples of unique numeric identifiers for purposes of this system are: Social Security number (to comply with Privacy Act requirements, a Social Security number will not be required by the NICS to perform any background check) and miscellaneous identifying numbers (e.g., military number or number assigned by Federal, state, or local authorities to an individual's record). Additional identifiers that may be requested by the system after an initial query include height, weight, eye and hair color, and place of birth. At the option of the querying agency, these additional identifiers may also be included in the initial query of the system.

17. Procedures to conduct NICS are set forth in ? 25.6(c)(1), which provides in part:

The FBI NICS Operations Center, upon receiving an FFL telephone or electronic dial-up request for a background check, will:

(i) Verify the FFL Number and code word;

(ii) Assign a NICS Transaction Number (NTN) to a valid inquiry and provide the NTN to the FFL;

(iii) Search the relevant databases . . . for any matching records; and

(iv) Provide the following NICS responses based upon the consolidated NICS search results to the FFL that requested the background check:

(A) "Proceed" response, if no disqualifying information was found . . . .

18. As provided in ? 25.2, "Proceed means a NICS response indicating that the information available to the system at the time of the response did not demonstrate that transfer of the firearm would violate federal or state law." Other responses are "delayed," meaning that further research is necessary, and "denied," meaning that receipt of the firearm would violate the law.

19. 28 C.F.R. ? 25.2 includes the following definition: "Audit log means a chronological record of system (computer) activities that enables the reconstruction and examination of the sequence of events and/or changes in an event." 28 C.F.R. ? 25.9(b) provides in part:

The FBI will maintain an automated NICS Audit Log of all incoming and outgoing transactions that pass through the system.

(1) The Audit Log will record the following information: type of transaction (inquiry or response), line number, time, date of inquiry, header, message key, ORI, and inquiry/response data (including the name and other identifying information about the prospective transferee and the NTN). In cases of allowed transfers, all information in the Audit Log related to the person or the transfer, other than the NTN assigned to the transfer and the date the number was assigned, will be destroyed after not more than six months after the transfer is allowed. . . . (emphasis added).

(2) The Audit Log will be used to analyze system performance, assist users in resolving operational problems, support the appeals process, or support audits of the use of the system. . . . Information in the Audit Log pertaining to allowed transfers may only be used by the FBI for the purpose of conducting audits of the use and performance of the NICS. . . .

20. FFLs contact NICS directly by communicating with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) or, in instances where the State so agrees, by communicating with a state law enforcement agency. Concerning records generated by FBI operation of NICS, ? 25.9(c) provides:

The following records in the FBI-operated terminals of the NICS will be subject to the Brady Act's requirements for destruction:

(1) All inquiry and response messages (regardless of media) relating to a background check that results in an allowed transfer; and

(2) All information (regardless of media) contained in the NICS Audit Log relating to a background check that results in an allowed transfer.

21. 28 CFR ? 25.2 includes the following definition:

POC (Point of Contact) means a state or local law enforcement agency serving as an intermediary between an FFL and the federal databases checked by the NICS. A POC will receive NICS background check requests from FFLs, check state or local record systems, perform NICS inquiries, determine whether matching records provide information demonstrating that an individual is disqualified from possessing a firearm under Federal or state law, and respond to FFLs with the results of a NICS background check. A POC will be an agency with express or implied authority to perform POC duties pursuant to state statute, regulation, or executive order.

22. Concerning records generated by POC operation of NICS, ? 25.9(d) states:

The following records of state and local law enforcement units serving as POCs will be subject to the Brady Act's requirements for destruction:

(1) All inquiry and response messages (regardless of media) relating to the initiation and result of a check of the NICS that allows a transfer that are not part of a record system created and maintained pursuant to independent state law regarding firearms transactions; and

(2) All other records relating to the person or the transfer created as a result of a NICS check that are not part of a record system created and maintained pursuant to independent state law regarding firearms transactions.

Facts

23. On November 30, 1998, plaintiff Jane Doe I provided her name and other identifying information to a federally-licensed firearms dealer in the State of New Jersey. The dealer proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealer with a "proceed" response. The dealer then transferred the firearm to said plaintiff.

24. On November 30, 1998, plaintiff Jane Doe II provided her name and other identifying information to a federally-licensed firearms dealer in the State of Virginia. The dealer proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealer with a "proceed" response. The dealer then transferred the firearm to said plaintiff.

25. On November 30, 1998, plaintiff John Doe I provided his name and other identifying information to a federally-licensed firearms dealer in the State of Kentucky. The dealer proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealer with a "proceed" response. The dealer then transferred the firearm to said plaintiff.

27. On November 30, 1998, plaintiff John Doe III provided his name and other identifying information to a federally-licensed firearms dealer in the State of Ohio. The dealer proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealer with a "proceed" response. The dealer then transferred the firearm to said plaintiff.

28. On November 30, 1998, plaintiff John Doe IV provided his name and other identifying information to a federally-licensed firearms dealer in the State of Arizona. The dealer proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealer with a "proceed" response. The dealer then transferred the firearm to said plaintiff.

29. On November 30, 1998, numerous members of the plaintiff NRA in every State of the United States provided their names and other identifying information to federally-licensed firearms dealers. The dealers proceeded to contact the NICS, which searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealers with "proceed" responses. The dealers then transferred the firearm to said NRA members. Beginning on such date and continuing into the indefinite future, millions of NRA members from every State of the United States will continue to provide their names and other identifying information to federally- licensed firearms dealers, who will contact the NICS. NICS will search the relevant data bases and provide the dealers with "proceed" responses, and the dealers will transfer firearms to said NRA members.

30. On November 30, 1998, members of the plaintiff LEAA in several States of the United States provided their names and other identifying information to federally-licensed firearms dealers, which contacted the NICS. NICS searched the relevant data bases and provided the dealers with "proceed" responses. The dealers then transferred the firearms to said LEAA members. Beginning on such date and continuing into the indefinite future, numerous LEAA members throughout the United States will continue to provide their names and other identifying information to federally-licensed firearms dealers, who will contact the NICS. NICS will search the relevant data bases and provide the dealers with "proceed" responses, and the dealers will transfer firearms to said LEAA members.

31. Plaintiffs Jane Doe I, Jane Doe II, John Doe IV, and numerous members of plaintiffs NRA and LEAA reside in States in which the NICS is operated by POCs. Plaintiffs John Doe I, John Doe III, and numerous members of plaintiffs NRA and LEAA reside in States in which the NICS is operated by the FBI.

32. Pursuant to 28 CFR ? 25.9(b), the names and other identifying information provided in each of the above instances will be retained and not destroyed by defendant Reno and her officers, agents, and employees for as long as six months.

COUNT ONE

33. Paragraphs 1 through 32 are realleged and incorporated herein by reference.

34. 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2) provides that, if receipt of a firearm would not violate the law, NICS shall assign a unique identification number to the transfer, provide it to the licensee, and "destroy all records of the system with respect to the call (other than the identifying number and the date the number was assigned) and all records of the system relating to the person or the transfer." ? 621, Title VI of Pub.L. 105-277 prohibits funds from being used for NICS to the extent that it "does not require and result in the destruction of any identifying information submitted by or on behalf of any person who has been determined not to be prohibited from owning a firearm." These provisions contain no "grace" period authorizing defendant to disregard the destruction requirement, which is applicable to defendant immediately once the unique identification number is provided to the licensee.

35. ? 103(h) of the Act imposed a duty on the Attorney General to "prescribe regulations to ensure the privacy and security of the information of the system," and instead she prescribed regulations authorizing the violation of privacy and security of the information of the system for a six-month period.

36. By failing to comply with 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2) until the expiration of a time period arbitrarily set by her as long as six months, defendant Reno has violated, and will continue to violate, the privacy rights provided by 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2) and ? 103(h) of the Act of the individual plaintiffs and for the members of plaintiffs NRA and LEAA.

COUNT TWO

37. Paragraphs 1 through 36 are realleged and incorporated herein by reference.

38. ? 103(i) of the Act provides that "no department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States . . . ." It also prohibits use of the system "to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions . . . ." Defendant Reno is not authorized to declare that she is not subject to these provisions or that such provisions are inoperative until such time as she chooses.

39. 28 CFR ? 25.9(b) purports to authorize records and portions thereof generated by NICS to be "recorded at or transferred to a facility" of the United States for a period of up to six months. It also establishes a computerized "system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions" for the same period.

40. By failing to comply with ? 103(i) of the Act, defendant Reno has violated, and will continue to violate, the privacy rights of the individual plaintiffs and of the members of plaintiffs NRA and LEAA.

COUNT THREE

41. Paragraphs 1 through 40 are realleged and incorporated herein by reference.

42. 28 CFR ? 25.9(d) provides that the records of state and local law enforcement units serving as POCs will not be subject to the Act's requirements for destruction if such records are "created and maintained pursuant to independent state law regarding firearms transactions." Such records include "all inquiry and response messages (regardless of media) relating to the initiation and result of a check of the NICS" and "all other records relating to the person or the transfer created as a result of a NICS check."

43. The Act does not authorize the delegation of the duties of the NICS to states and localities or the intervention of "independent state law regarding firearms transactions" in such manner as would nullify the destruction requirement of 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2) or the prohibitions of ? 103(i) of the Act against (1) requiring that "any record or portion thereof" generated by the system "be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by . . . any State or political subdivision thereof" or (2) using the system "to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions." (Emphasis added.)

44. By failing to comply with 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2) and ? 103(i) of the Act, defendant Reno has violated, and will continue to violate, the privacy rights of plaintiffs Jane Doe I, Jane Doe II, John Doe IV, and of the members of plaintiffs NRA and LEAA who reside in States in which the NICS is operated by POCs.

WHEREFORE, plaintiffs pray that the Court:

1. Enter a declaratory judgment that 28 CFR ? 25.9(b) and any other provisions purporting to delay the execution of the duty to destroy records are contrary to 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2), to ? 103(h) and ? 103 (i) of the Act, and to ? 621, Title VI of Pub.L. 105-277, and are thus invalid.

2. Enter a declaratory judgment that 28 CFR ? 25.9(d) is invalid to the extent it purports to exempt state and local law enforcement units serving as POCs from destroying records generated by the NICS system on lawful transferees to the extent the records are "created and maintained pursuant to independent state law regarding firearms transactions."

3. Issue preliminary and permanent injunctions and a writ of mandamus requiring, or otherwise compelling, defendant Reno and her officers, agents and employees, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. ? 922(t)(2), once the legality of the transfer is determined and the unique identification number is provided to the licensee, immediately to "destroy all records of the system with respect to the call (other than the identifying number and the date the number was assigned) and all records of the system relating to the person or the transfer."

4. Grant such other and further relief as may be proper.

5. Award plaintiff attorney's fees and costs.

Respectfully Submitted,

National Rifle Association of America, Inc., et al., Plaintiffs

By Counsel

Stephen P. Halbrook

D.C. Bar No. 379799

Richard E. Gardiner

D.C. Bar No. 386915

10560 Main St., Suite 404

Fairfax, VA 22030

(703) 352-7276

Attorneys for Plaintiffs

*********************************************** * mi-rkba e-mail discussion list (FREE) * * * * FREE SPEECH AND FIREARMS... * * THE POWER TOOLS OF FREEDOM * * * * listowner: Arlynn Afton * * (616) 243-4790 ccw@triton.net * * * * To subscribe: majordomo@webnexus.com * * Message: subscribe mi-rkba * * * * To unsubscribe: majordomo@webnexus.com * * Message: unsubscribe mi-rkba * * * * To post a message to everyone on the list, * * send to: mi-rkba@webnexus.com * * * * Civility rules. * * Free speech, not free libel. * * * * Anyone violating the rules of this list will* * receive a private warning. A second offense* * will result in a permanent un-subscribe from* * the list, which will be posted to the list. * * Listowner is not responsible for the content* * of other's postings to this list. * ***********************************************

# # # [END]

-- Robert Mangus (rmangus@mail.netquest.com), December 05, 1998.


And so Clinton is found lying again - this time about the purpose and reason for NRA's lawsuit.

Prediction - Y2K -> Martial law -> gun confiscation ....

-- Robert A. Cook, P.E. (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), December 08, 1998.


Moderation questions? read the FAQ