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In some episodes people refer to Biblical stuff and such but what about End Sinister, this episode basically revolves around evolution. What do you guys have to say?

-- Cliff Leslie (ComdrBlood@aol.com), November 15, 1998


I don't recall any Biblical stuff, except when Trevor offers Sibyl any one wish in Thanatophobia and he says "no heads on plates". Oh, and in End Sinister when he says "the meek shall NOT inherit the Earth." The show does discuss some religious issues, but these issues go for all religions, not just Judeo-Christianity.

-- Frostbite (foo@bar.com), November 16, 1998.

Another Biblical reference is made in "Thanataphobia": Onan. The name Onan is derived from a character in the Old Testament who first introduced masturbation as a sin.

-- TGoodchild (LaTiNcAt16@aol.com), November 16, 1998.

The biblical Onan was smote not because he masturbated, but because God commanded him to impregnate such-and-such a person. (Who, I seem to recall, was related to him.) The reference to Onan spilling his seed on the ground probably refers to Coitus Interruptus - interesting that that went on to be the only acceptable method of contraception to the Catholic church...

-- Charles Martin (cmmartin@princeton.edu), November 17, 1998.


-- Frostbite (foo@bar.com), November 18, 1998.

I don't think it is a sin.

-- Cliff Leslie (ComdrBlood@aol.com), November 18, 1998.

I didn't necessarily mean that masturbation is a sin, but that that it is the Catholic Church's view on it: that it is not right since it is stimulation of the sexual orgnans, which shouldn't be experience until having sex...so they say.

-- TGoodchild (LaTiNcAt16@aol.com), November 19, 1998.

Masturbation is a sin, mainly because it breaks the coveting commandment.

-- Philip Mills (philip.mills@cableinet.co.uk), November 21, 1998.

"End Sinister" has another Biblical reference. Near the end when Aeon is entering the forest and about to dig up the remote control, there is a brief shot of a serpent sithering about. I believe this is a "Garden of Eden" symbol, which is more convincing at the end, when Aeon and Trevor are the only humans left alive.

-- Robert F. Beck (rfbeck@deltanet.com), November 21, 1998.

also, the aldus b ray takes the image of a sidewinding serpent just before it hits. this and the other golden serpent ( same color as ray ) in the grass next to Fon both coment on her actions. i took it to mean that she was being compared to Eve in the bible as the source of corruption.

-- neobe 316 (neobe@kscable.com), December 03, 1999.

well, not the SOURCE i guess, but the misguided conveyer of corruption

-- neobe 316 (neobe@kscable.com), December 03, 1999.

Masturbation is not a sin, jesus didn't say anything about masturbation is a sin, and I can't find anything in the bible about it being a sin, this stupid rumor didn't proberly come until some where a 100 years ago.......stupid.

-- adfasdf (adfadsfasdf@hotmail.com), July 15, 2001.

Masterbation could be viewed as a sin, however it can also be viewed as a test of our ability to keep our convanant with God and His teachings. Man naturally has an urge to pleasure one's own body, as part of understanding ourselves. Possibly, God is testing our ability to fight our natural instincts and practice His message of celebacy. If masterbation is simply a sin and we took it just as serious as murder, then don't you think our world would be less populated?

-- Mike C (poe_killer@hotmail.com), January 05, 2003.

Quoting the torah, masturbation is a bad thing because it "spills the seed for nothing". Basicly, the sperm is ment for procreation, so by jacking off you cum for nothing, and you're wasting good seed, seed that is ment to be spread bla bla bla its all bullshit. From my atheistic view, atleast.

This is in the jewish approach for it, i dont know how your jesus book thinmagie describes choking the chicken though... Funny how there's not a damn thing about musterbation no no's for chicks, so following the biblical sense, guys arent allowed to masterbate because they're wasting good sperm, but girls can do it all night long if they wana... This sucks. Luckly, im not in ancient israel.

-- zach the new lurker (mr_spidy@hotmail.com), January 06, 2003.

Although Jesus didn't directly refer to Masterbation he did speak against lusting in the heart. He basically said that lusting after the opposite sex was just as bad as commiting the sins you were lusting about. This is because it stains the heart with sin, and we know from the beatitudes that it is important to stay clean of heart. So I beleive that it isn't the action of masterbation that is sinful but rather the lust that is attributed to it. One could also argue though that masterbation belittles God's creation of sexual relations because it is a misuse of sexual relations. In the Catholic Church sexual relations is very sacred and is an intregral part of marriage, this is why we don't beleive in pre-marital or extramarital relations. I am not trying to sway your opinion on masterbation, as a matter-of-fact I can here for answers, but this is what I have found while discerning this answer for myself.

-- George D. (JesusWeptJHN1135@aol.com), May 11, 2003.

Actually there is no way to prevent yourself from "spilling you're seed". If you don't masterbate you will have an orgasim in yer sleep eventually. I'd prefer not to wake up in a puddle of my own cum. Has anyone else noticed how JC wasn't as interested in teaching Gods law as he was about making up his own laws?

-- Kyle Stoken (Buurnit@hotmail.com), February 12, 2004.

wat if u havent gone thru puberty and u dont release sperm but it still feels good when u do it? is it a sin then?

-- paul (lilokie2345@aol.com), March 07, 2004.

Try that question at the catholic board.

-- Sam (janecherrington@paradise.net.nz), March 08, 2004.

The whole notion that masturbation is a sin and that sex is an evil thing and something to be ashamed of came from the teachings of Paul, who didnít like women very much and people like Augustine of Hippo. St. Augustineís mother was a Christian but, his father was a pagan and his mother raised his as a Christian. However, When Augustine got older he abandoned Christianity and subscribed to the teachings of the Greek philosophers (Plato, et al) who believed that sex or any kind of physical desire or pleasure was detrimental to oneís mental and physical health. Later, when he became a Christian again he incorporated Greek philosophy into Christianity.

-- Jack Rice (jtr57@charter.net), July 15, 2004.

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