Did you watch 60 minutes last night - weapons to large cities

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On 60 Minutes last night there was a five minute segment about the Federal Government shipping massive amounts of weapons to major metropoliton cities. Many people they questioned wouldn't comment about why; one stated domestic terrorism.

-- Jolann (Jolann.Leifer@PSS.boeing.com), October 26, 1998


I checked the 60 Minutes at the CBS web site - nothing about that for last night's show:


Can anyone confirm or refute this? Is this clearly something out of the ordinary (other than 'normal' weapons transport / distribution / caching)?

I had heard mention of something similar with reference to a location within my own state but had dismissed it as unsubstanciated and not worth the time to follow up on. Suspected that other folks would notice unusual activity in their areas long before anything happened here.

Our miltary transports large amounts weapons systems and ammunition all the time for all sort of reasons (practice, new acquisitions, realignments, etc., etc. etc). What evidence exists that this alleged recent activity is anything out of the ordinary or occurring on 'a massive scale'?

-- Arnie Rimmer (arnie_rimmer@usa.net), October 26, 1998.

Jolann: Did you see this segment yourself or did you hear about it from someone else, particulary someone else on the Web? I ask because I've seen a number of rumors on the Web that have used spurious "60 Minutes" references to add credibility -- perhaps even this one.

That said, can anyone confirm/deny this report? Also, so what? Is it out of the ordinary? During my own four years in the service, we were transferring stuff around all the time -- one base to another, from regular units to guard or reserve units, or simply disposing of obsolete or unneeded equipment. Especially these days, with all the base closings we've seen, I'd be surprised if a lot of equipment wasn't being moved around. Also, what kind of weapons were named in this report -- small arms, antimissile systems, tanks????

Details, we need details. Otherwise this is just paranoid flavor of the month stuff. If it's tons of MREs, we'll know it's just a new effort to reduce the population by gagging them to death.

-- J.D. Clark (yankeejdc@aol.com), October 26, 1998.

Here are the details. The full story was covered about 4 months ago. Last night was an update. Apparently a police chief in Florida had been selling some of these weapons the Federal Government had sent to their city and as a result he had embezzeled $150,000. 60 minutes is sending me copies of the transcripts. Hope this helps. When the transcripts arrive I will post some of the "quotes" and will be able to give you the names of people they interviewed.

-- Jolann (Jolann.Leifer@PSS.boeing.com), October 26, 1998.

More likely, the spurious "60 Minutes" source was added to the rumor as DISINFORMATION, to create a smokescreen of popular ridicule (once the source is detected as false) under which preparations for martial law can occur undisrupted. That's textbook. And the current mania for "conspiracy theory" is manufactured and sold for the same reason. There is no better way to conceal the superconstitutional authority of FEMA, for instance, than to have that agency play a part in a fictional 'conspiracy' on the "X-files." One person's bold fictionalization can become another's disinformation - if the context can be shifted. And if you own/control the media, that's attainable.

England has chosen to be open about their plans for martial law. Culturally, they are are more likely to be reassured by such a pronouncement, and accept it. And they do.

Canada is also open about their plans for martial law. "Y2k-related disruptions" are their stated #1 priority. The people look to their government with trust.

In America, founded upon the rebellion against the totalitarian rule of monarchs, we have more anxiety about the prospect of serving a military dictatorship for an indefinite period of time. That's why you won't hear about America's "contingency plans" for martial law until every knight and pawn are in place. Then any strongly voiced objection can be treated as a "trial run," and an example to others.

Is this about Y2k? Or is it about consolidating the global hegemony of a multinational, globalist elite? Look beneath the amusement this question may engender, and you will find shame: the fear of becoming, or being recognized as, an intellectual deviate. They bought that complex with money, and now it inhabits your nervous system. They bought your mind.

"Keep them asking the wrong questions, and you don't have to worry about the answers."

The upshot: you don't need to see martial law happening to know it's happening. How could it NOT happen, given the Y2k outlook? Read some history, for godsake... I'm convinced we're dealing with entrenched it-can't-happen-here-ism when people turn up there noses and pooh-pooh the prospect of totalitarianism in the U.S.. It's already halfway here, with "civil seizure" and the virtual repeal of the second and fourth amendments, and Y2k is going to accelerate the process.


-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), October 26, 1998.

I did not see the 60 minutes segment. However I found an order sheet on the net for an IRS order that included weapons. It's in my file and I will post the url later if anyone wants to look at it.

-- M.Doe (M.Doe@usa.net), October 26, 1998.

It was a SHERIFF in Florida, and I saw both the original story and the "update".

In the original story, 60 Minutes documented how the federal government was providing every two bit cop shop in the country with M16s from the Army Depot at Fort Rucker Alabama. They aired footage of soldiers/warehousemen using FORKLIFTS to handle the shipments of M16s to civilian police departments and detailed how the Internet had a Web Page for the cops to make all the arrangements with the federal government. They showcased a 7 man police department in Florida that got 7 M16s and the LAPD who got substantially more, and the Florida Sheriff who, as it turns out was stealing from his own department, built a county "air force" of (as I remember) 17 helicopters and received more fully automatic small arms than seemed prudent to have under the control of a small time county sheriff.

I remember wondering at the time just who the cops were planning on shooting with all those M16s. . .

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), October 26, 1998.

Cohen steeling the resolve of the triggermen - you won't hear this on the evening news, but you see it in the endocolonialism trade publications... Welcome to "Starship Troopers."

Army Times 10-22 Staff /Wire Reports

***US ARMY WILL PATROL U.S. STREETS . . .An Interview with Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen . . .in the Army Times.*** From Staff and Wire Reports The Times of Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana:

US Defense Secretary Predicts the Army Will Patrol US Streets

"Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection," says Defense Secretary William S. Cohen

The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas phenomenon.

But no longer.

"It could happen here," Cohen said he conclued after 8 months of studying threats under the Pentagon microscope.

Free-lance terrorists with access to deadly chemical and biological bombs are "going to change the way in which the American people view security in our own country," he predicted in a Sept 10 interview.

Cohen is calling for the government to step up its efforts to penetrate wildcard terrorist organizations.

"It's going to require greater intelligence on our part -- much greater emphasis on intelligence gathering capability - more human intelligence, and it's going to take more technical intelligence," he said.

But using the U.S. military in a domestic law enforcement role would require revisions to laws in force for more than a century, cautions Shreveport attorney John Odom, Jr.

"You can't do it from the Defense Department side unless Congress dramatically revises the Posse Comitatus laws." said Odom, a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserve and a reserve Judge Advocate.

"The 1878 law specifically prohibits the use of the military in domestic law enforcement unless authorized by Congress or the Constitution and does not wllow for military intervention through action by the Secretary of Defense of even an Executive Order from the President," Odom said.

We're trained from the first day of Judge Advocate school to think of Posse Comitatus !!! said Odom. "If Secretary Cohen is suggesting that the Department of Defense be involved, it may be part of a legislative package, but it will not happen unilaterally without a lot of folks thinking long and hard about it."

Cohen said terrorism would be a top priority in 5 new areas he plans to focus on now that he has wrapped up his first defense budget, the quadrennial review of the military and a new 4-year defense strategy.

Other goals include modernizing the military, improbing troops housing and other benefits, streamlining the defense bureaucracy and shaping new military relationships and contracts across the globe.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), October 26, 1998.

E. Coli, I started not to reply to this thread but I have to. I find it incredulous that ANYONE could read Cohen's interview and not stop dead in thier tracks and say..."Whoa! wait just a damn minute. What was that about civil liberties from the SECRETARY of Defense"?

-- CP (Spoonman@prodigy.net), October 26, 1998.

Does anyone know how to find out when/if the military moves large amounts of FOOD into the urban areas???


-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), October 26, 1998.


While I am sure that our government would not relish the thought of openly talking about marshal law, the observant listener can hear tell tale signs.

One weekend day last month, I had NOTHING better to do so I turned on CSPAN. I was blessed with the congressional hearings on Y2K.

Bennett was questioning some Major General somebody about the preparedness of our National guard. Senator Bennett probed General so and so as to whether or not, as Bennett put it, the national guard would be available should the welfare checks not go out.

It does not take a genius to get the hint. These guys know that some level of martial law will probably be imposed. TO tell you the truth, if I lived in one of those larger cities turned zoo, I would probably kiss law and order in the mouth.



Tongue and all?

-- Uncle Deedah (oncebitten@twiceshy.com), October 26, 1998.

to answer the question concerning food - the military has been noted recently moving large amounts of MREs to remote storage sites *away* from urban areas - most recently about a month and a half ago when they moved several hundred thousand such to rural Kansas (and NOT on a military installation, either).

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), October 26, 1998.

Can'rt comment on 60 Minutes, didn't see it. IMO the domestic special forces wouldn't be using M-16's. More likely submachine guns. Hold 'em sideways and the recoil only traverses the general area, instead of flying up in the air. This would not be about picking off groundhogs at 300 yards.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), October 27, 1998.

Not really surprised they are shipping 16's to wherever.

the weapons of choice tend to be MP-5's or P9S's depending on where you like to buy from. Smaller, softer to shoot, acurate, shooters LOVE em. SPEC-OPS dream!

or so I'm reliably told, ref the MP-5.


-- Chuck a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 27, 1998.

we have lived near an af base for many years. in the last few months new types of planes have been flying by, and at very low levels. i've identified 3 different types of old 2 and 4 engine propeller planes. some fly in formations of up to 4 planes. what's going on?

-- buzzed (why@afbase.net), October 27, 1998.

Appreciated your reply E. I especially liked this quote. Where is it from?

"Keep them asking the wrong questions, and you don't have to worry about the answers."

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), October 27, 1998.

I travel frequently for my job. Back in the early 90's I kept telling my husband something was getting ready to happen because of the pickup in military equipment I was constantly seeing.....answer..desert storm. This has happened on several occasions now. Recently, I have noticed large amounts of heavy equipment being moved along with large numbers of tanks etc. Yes, they could be relocating. But I keep seeing the same type of things in ALL of the states I travel in, not just one. I think there is something to it. DAC

-- deborah cunningham (dac@ccrtc.com), October 27, 1998.

Now that you mention it, the rolling stock for either a scout company or an MP company (minus the TOC vehicles) did roll through Cleveland a couple weeks ago, and then rolled back the other way a week or 2 later......


(Well, it was on a train but.....)

-- Chuck a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 27, 1998.

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