I just read a verrry interesting story in a book review magazine; http://www.januarymagazine.com/sullivan.html If Sullivan's allegations are true, Clinton will be lucky to be only impeached. This can't be good news for the economy. On the other hand maybe Clinton will start to tout y2k as a red herring... 8-)

-- Tricia the Canuck (jayles@telusplanet.net), October 16, 1998

Answers

We see the issue, but it is too complicated for 98% of world.

Besides, "I really can't remember".

-- yada (yada@yada.com), October 16, 1998.

And now for another side of the story... (is truth stranger than fiction?)

THE STARR-CLINTON GAMBIT:THE DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO SAVE THE PRESIDENT by Norm Olson (normolson@northlink.net)

In a desperate attempt to save his own life, Bill Clinton entered into a secret pact with Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr. The plan would be to use Monica Lewinski as pawn to maneuver the President into a course of action that would result in Impeachment--but a course that would, ironically, save Bill Clinton's life and the life of his wife and daughter.

From his early days in Arkansas, Clinton has been controlled and used by elements of power working inside and with the CIA. Clinton has never been free from the hooks planted in him when he was Governor. The long list of dead men around Clinton is stark evidence to the circles of high inner power that have manipulated him from the beginning of his public life. The piles of evidence of drug-running and corruption are well known. With so much knowledge of crime and corruption within the government, any attempt by Clinton to try and escape his handlers would result in the death of his family first and then himself.

Bill Clinton is no longer useful to the power brokers. If he attempts to talk, he will be silenced by those who control him. If allowed to continue their investigations into the criminal activities in Arkansas, the special prosecutor may reveal wrongdoing that would endanger the President's life.

-- Jon (jon@milesresearch.com), October 16, 1998.

Reference for prior post (source of excerpted quote):

ftp://ftp.shout.net/pub/users/bigred/vol12/cn12-35

Linked from:

http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn0.html

-- Jon (jon@milesresearch.com), October 16, 1998.

Clinton Body Count. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/3388/

-- anon (anon@anon.com), October 17, 1998.

Sounds like 'Illumaniti' stuff to me.

Sometime try the headline game. Just pick up any newspaper and look at the front page. Pick three headlines or column headers that look interesting. Then make up a conspiracy that would logically link the three headlines. The person with the funniest conspiracy wins. You can also play with the most logical or most possible conspiracy. Its a lot of fun, and it lets you see how some of these 'big conspiracy' theorists really work.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), October 18, 1998.

Paul, with accusations of this magnitude, I don't think we're at the "sounds like ---- to me" stage. I think that we are obligated to gather all the evidence we can. And if the media is under-reporting a story, we add that fact to the preponderance of evidence, too. As far as the list of dead Clinton associates, I don't think we're in the realm of "conspiracy" games. We're looking at either a truly astounding coincidence, or criminal conspiracy at the highest level of government. When you add the fact that not a word is breathed on this topic in the mainstream media, even to debunk this list (which has hit every e-mail server in the country by now), it merely draws suspicion of a very, very large conspiracy. I notice that you are not refuting any of these disturbing accusations directly; you are casting aspursions on anyone who is impudent enough to trust their own reasoning and perception: "you can see anything if you look hard enough." Well, tell that to the families of all these young, dead people from Clinton's inner circle. I would think any responsible person would want to get to the bottom of this amazing coincidence, rather than sweep it under the rug without so much as a glance at the evidence. The trouble with cover-ups is that there's a point of diminishing returns, at which one begins to work at cross-purposes, attracting attention to what one is trying to conceal; and with Clinton, they've clearly passed that point.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), October 19, 1998.

E.: Right on. To believe all the happy-face whitewashed media soundbites at face value is to be as naive as those who think that Y2k is 'no big deal.' Anyone who studies communications knows that the media have traditionally functioned as instruments of the powers that be, and this is not referring to the puppets in the white house here either! The internet is changing that role of the media, let's put it to work in sharing evidence too hot for the mainstream.

Body Count Mounts Around Bill Clinton; Arkansas Most at Risk http:/ /www.webbindustries.com/spotlight/f_bc_art005.html

The Clinton 'body count' New alarm over growing list of dead close to president http://www.worldnetdaily.com/exclusiv/980924.exrivero_clinton_b o.html

Let's call it "Bloodgate." It's a scandal that threatens to connect the dots between some other "gates" -- including Whitewater and Vincent Foster. http://www.w orldnetdaily.com/ads/blood_trail.shtml

Early allegations of White House drug usage. h ttp://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/whitelinehouse.html

http://www. accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/KIEV.html

What did he snort and when did he snort it? h ttp://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/whatdidhesnort.html

The Death Of Vincent Foster: Vincent Foster's wounds were not as reported! http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/NECK /neck.html

Ron Brown: Evidence Of A Cover up http:// www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/BROWN/brown.html

-- anon (anon@anon.com), October 21, 1998.

But

a MUCH more humorous approach is:

Green Egg on His Face By Dale Connelly September 18, 1998

Still trying to find a way to discuss the Starr report with your preschooler?

The Bubba of Scuz And the Bimbo of Loo were sharing a pizza with nothing to do.

They sat and they talked Although little was said. So they dabbled in bumblefunumpus instead. (which cannot be explained and is never polite) Whether done in the daylight or darkness of night.

But the Bubba of Scuz was a Loyalty Scout which meant that with Bimbos, funumping was out.

The Loyalty Scouts (an unusual breed) thought that telling the truth was the best of good deeds.

If ever you slipped into trouble so deep that you thought that a lie was the best way to keep

your brains in your head and your seat in your pants, a Loyalty Scout would say "don't take the chance!"

A Splonger named Ken had been watching the glade where the Bubba and Bimbo funumped in the shade

"At last" said the Splong (a responsible guy) I now have what I need to entice him to lie.

The Bubba of Scuz was then pressured to tell of the things he had done in the glade by the dell.

"Did you yert with palookas? Or miff some goopats? I heard that you fleegered a blooper with gnats!"

"I have done no such thing" said the Bubba of Scuz "those things aren't the things that a Scuz Bubba does."

"But what about Bimbos?" Inquired the Splong. "Funumping with Bimbos is equally wrong!"

"I never funumped with the Bimbo of Loo." "If you say that I did, what you say isn't true."

Except that it was, bringing Bubba up short when the Splonger named Ken made his final report.

So take this advice when you're feeling ashamed. Stick to the truth or you'll wind up defamed.

The Loyalty Scouts will muster you out your good friends will wonder what you are about

And history's scribes, remembering you will skip all the good you endeavored to do.

Like the Bubba of Scuz who, 'til history's end will be linked to his Bimbo and the Splonger named Ken.

Copyright 1998, Minnesota Public Radio.

received from an old New Swarthmoor (F)friend.

CR

-- Chuck a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 21, 1998.

Stuff and distraction...this kind of baloney has been going on forever...just that many sheeple have awakened....you all with teh Clinton scoop think this is something new?

Foolishness....

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), October 21, 1998.

Sir Chuckles, I applaud the poem...

-- Robert A. Cook, P.E. (cook.r@csaatl.com), October 21, 1998.

Clinton is in an interesting position, as when all sorts of things go wrong on 1-1-2000, he can say, 'Well, you wasted a lot of my time on Zippergate I could have spent working on this mess' & who's to say he would be wrong? The other stuff may make a good (or bad) spy story but it looks a load of hooey to

-- Ken Baldry (ken@art-science.com), October 21, 1998.

1. By the time it's y2k, 'zippergate' will either be long forgotten, or used as a pretext for removal from office. Either issue is of little consequence in comparison to the y2k problem.

2. This quote from Cory Hamasaki is excerpted from the discussion titled 'Who is Paul Milne?' and illustrates the main point in this discussion:

Morally, the last emperors were truly vile and evil men, placing their perverted peccadillos and personal power before the true responsibilities of their office. Nero fiddled while Rome burned without the leadership it needed. Today, Clinton fiddles with himself in a sordid back room while the whole world begins to burn in a global economic and technological meltdown. Instead of providing the leadership we need, he is more interested in being worshipped for his "legacy" and in satisfying his insane lust for power over the lives of others. Like Nero and Caligula, our (mis)leader is a mentally deranged pervert whose personal behavior is so disgusting we cannot even talk of it in front of our children. And like the Romans we have only ourselves to blame. Our leaders reflect ourselves and our own moral values.

3. The comment about 'a load of hooey' is exactly the phrase used by clinton personally to handle reports of his more egregious wrongdoings. The fact that it resurfaces here illustrates the effectiveness of the white house propaganda machine in planting trivializing sentiments in the minds of the sheeple.

4. The comment that evidence of obviously systematic cold-blooded politically-motivated murders is 'baloney' reflects a lack of compassion for innocent people.

Wake up and reconsider your values. If other's well-being is not important to you, then you are in for a rough time.

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), October 22, 1998.