Non-bloating SPs

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Friends,

Sandra Marshall's recent post to the PSG list (kindly forwarded to me) reminded me that dogs that never bloat or show any signs of it can be as valuable a source of information on the mode of inheritance as the ones that do -- especially if they are large, deep chested dogs that have been stressed one way or another.

In my longevity study, there were a few respondants who mentioned that a dog ultimately dying of something else had bloated, but as I was asking about cause of death, many more may not have been mentioned.

I am convinced that there is a single mutation that makes many SPs more susceptible to bloat. (But there may also be non-familial bloat.) I would welcome additions to my list of dogs that have bloated, and I will keep the names confidential. (If you want them to be publically known, it should come from you.)

However, the main reason for this post is to ask for the names of older dogs (shall we say at least 10, or deceased) that have never bloated. (If they are/were not Champions, I will need the names of the parents, too.) Working together, we may be able to establish which lines appear to be clear. That would seem to me to have at least as much value as identifying the ones that are at greatest risk, and a good deal less controversial.

However, to solve the puzzle, we need more of the pieces. It's up to you.

John Armstrong

-- Anonymous, September 12, 1998

Answers

John: I just came across your post about older poodles that hadn't bloated. ARe you still compiling information on this topic? It seems like a jinx to write you about this, but I try to suppress my old medieval superstitions! Reggie (Stonewood Mr. October) has never bloated. He is the offspring of Stonewood Romany Marie and October of Beverly. Best regards: Kate O'Neill

-- Anonymous, May 23, 1999

My SP is 9 and his parents14 and 11. ( father 14 recently died in his sleep...) Grandfather died at 14 No bloat so far, My dog is Von Silbertal Narayan UD. J.H. O.A. W.C. V.C.X & Australian U.D. A.D. Father Am./Australian Ch. Yot Clubs Kalei Hoku His Grandfather Am./Aust Ch. Belles Hawaiian Monarch C.D. Mother Jaltau Silver Fortunehunter (Australian English Lines) Same Grandfather.

-- Anonymous, July 10, 1999

Hi, Since 63 there have been 3 dogs that bloated. One 8m puppy at a handlers kennel! One 2yrs old in Japan owned by a vet who took him to a military kennel (3days) instructed and supplied his food noooooo they gave him the dry kennel food(different) he died? (9yr. neutered male 7/8combo shot and rabies 30 days later he died???? Iv never had a PINAFORE dog died of bloat or exhibit this problem that lived with me in 35 years...???!!!Why??????? Penny/Pinafore

-- Anonymous, October 10, 1999

I was told by a representative of BIL JAC dog food that it will not cause bloat. They showed me two jars of water. They dropped another brand of dog food into one jar and it soaked up the water and puffed up. They put BIL JAC into the other jar and it soaked up the water, but fell apart into little particles on the bottom of the jar. I don't know what causes bloat, but it seems this could be a real help. If anyone tries it, please let me know. I keep my toys and my pet pug on it, but they aren't known for bloat. Have a great day! Janet

-- Anonymous, November 24, 2001

John, If you are still compiling info about non-bloating standards I have a soon to be 10 (Feb.) standard. Unfortunately I do not have papers since he was sold as pet stock. All I know is that his parents were BeeJee and Max. The breeder also told me at the time that she had a 16 yr old standard-not related to mine to my knowledge. Being aware of the bloat potential I feed him twice daily on an elevated platform. I have him on Science Diet Senior Small Bites kibbles mixed with a bit of canned Science Diet and water since I read somewhere that moistened food lessens the potential for bloat.

-- Anonymous, December 31, 2001


My silver poodle, bought near Tucson Arizona died at 2 from bloat. He had suffered from puppyhood with a sensitive stomach that often caused garbage gut. Many times I would prepare dog food for him to aid in his digestion. This mixture was made of scrambled eggs, browned lean hamburger, potatoes and rice. I could make many batches and freeze it then microwave when ready to serve. The day that he took ill, he had eaten and then jumped over the lazy boy when someone came to the door. I believe that is when his intestines did the lethal twist. Since he commonly had problems with his stomach, I did not pay attention until it was too late. I also believe the sensitive stomach was a warning of things to come. His name was Catherine's Duke of Earl. I will have to find his papers, I had a 5 generation printing of them somewhere.

When I was a kid, our SP lived to be 16 and died within a year after my father died. He just did not want to live anymore. There were no health problems associated with him and the more junk food the merrier. I now have two female standards, who have been known to eat a lazy boy, the only stomach problems they have had is when they got into a large pot of chili. So I have no worries at this time. They are 4 now. Cathy's wrestling buffy and Faron's tinker. They are sisters and share only one brain, as they cannot be separated even in their sleep.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002


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