"TITANIC"?, or "THE SHIP OF FOOLS"greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
Remember Michael Dun's last question to all of us at the end of the movie "Ship of Fools"? Well, what do you think? Are we sailing on the Titanic or are we disembarking from the Ship of Fools only to enter a hell on land worse than the freezing waters of the sea. Some of those passengers leaving the Ship of Fools walked right into Nazi Germany with their eyes wide open. I believe their is an American Hitler out there somewhere just waiting for the chaos to begin. He or she's goose-steppers will pick off the survivalists one by one no matter where they are hiding. That is why I believe (here it come's folks)that democracy will only survive in America, after Jan.1, 2000, if we organize, now, as a nation, in the common defense of preserving freedom. All I hear on this site and others is how much American's fear other Americans. That nuts. If all American neighbors think the neighbor next-door or down the street is going to kill them, or rape them, then as the saying goes, we will all hang seperately. Community is the answer. Inform and organize your local community about Y2K preparations instead of spending all your energy thinking about yourself. Since the 1970s we have become a nation of incredibly selfish people. Either we grow up and become, once again, a true nation, a true community of responsible, sharing, compassionate people, or we stay fragmented, isolated, bitching about all those other bad Americans and how they will steal our toys. Either we live together, through the Y2K disaster as a nation, or we hang separetly. I know this won't convince the John Wayne, Rambo survivalist types. But maybe the rest of you will have second thoughts about turning yourselves into squealing rats who flee the ship. We are all sailing on the Ship of Fools right now, not rhe Titanic. Well, that's how I feel. What do you think? Will the Giant Rat of Sumatra inherit the ashes? "Watson, the needle." And now the .... hits the fan.
-- Timothy Fonseca (email@example.com), July 08, 1998
-- Rocky Knolls (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 08, 1998.
Typically in emergencies people are evacuated to shelters. I would think there should be an emphasise on identifying and preparing shelters. It simply isn't possible for each of us to run out and buy a generator, although maybe one could be built for a central location. It still wouldn't hurt to stock up on food on an individual basis, that can be done. Some things individuals can prepare for, some will require a community effort.
-- Amy Leone (email@example.com), July 08, 1998.
Amen to that Timothy!
-- Annie (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 08, 1998.
I guess the inevitable thought process, when faced with impending danger, is: 1)Run and hide 2)Is my family safe? 3)What about the rest of my band? 4) What about my entire tribe/nation? Followed by the realization that, until the entire tribe is safe, the family and the individual will not be.
A similar thread took months to resolve on an Earthcrisis group I monitored. The hide-in-the-woods intentional communities were eventually considered immoral if they neglected their responsibility to the safety of everyone.
The situation will be even tougher if you have to check your back all the time. It's time to start thinking about patting someone else's. Glad to see this transition happening here.
"I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on men unless they act." --- G.K. Chesterton
-- Hallyx (Hallyx@aol.com), July 08, 1998.
Why wouldn't your neighbor turn on you? When your hungry, and down and out, people will do anything to get what they need to survive. I don't trust or have faith in my fellow human beings. My neighbors are too busy buying their Cads and Benzes, they think their s....t doesn't stink, and they are on the Ship of Fools. We've had a couple of crisis in our neighborhood, like a wild fire! They were running up and down the street screaming "SAVE MY HOME, SAVE MY HOME!!!" The nit wits didn't have the common sense to pick up the garden hose and shovel and start protecting their own ! They were WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT!!! Furthermore, if they would have prepared by clearing away brush from their property instead of spending time at the country club, they would not have been immobolized by the first site of danger! So, I didn't help them, I helped myself and saved myself and I didn't wait for the government either! And do you want to know the kicker? The firefighters saved the homes of people who took the time to prepare!
-- Barb-Douglas (email@example.com), July 08, 1998.
All this talk of "community" is noble and inspirational.... however, it seems to me that each individual or family has the inherent responsibility to provide for themselves. Experience has shown that groups composed of relatives, common religion or race, or like political and philosophical views have successfully banded together to accomplish common goals. I do not think this can be said for more diverse factions. The notion that the people of a city, town, or even a large neighborhood would cooperate on any project like y2k is laughable. Dishonesty, mistrust, power-grabbing, and corruption will surely keep that from happening. Don't throw your time and money down a rathole. Prepare your family and stick with those you trust. Even then, keep one eye open at nite !
-- R.A. Mann (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 08, 1998.
Why think about working together as a community? And how on earth would we begin anyway? For some insightful answers, visit http://www.co-intelligence.org/Y2K.html
-- Faith Weaver (email@example.com), July 09, 1998.
the answer is "both". Stinkbomb 2000 was a ship of fools that went down like the titanic.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org!), November 20, 2001.