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-- Rose (Rose364@earthlink.net), May 11, 1998

Answers

It was interesting, in reading the original script, how many "male-bashing" lines Cameron wrote in. He cut most of them. The two he left in stick out like sore thumbs (the Freud one being the most obviously out-of-place). He was well advised to leave them out, as their presence in a film about a real-life event where male deaths vastly outnumbered female deaths due to a now outmoded code of "chivalry", would have appeared, at least to many of the male audience, as tasteless.

-- Die Titanic Die (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 12, 1998.

Oh yes, those two male-bashing remarks were definitely out of place. My two teenage sons agreed with me completely on that one. In fact, those remarks along with the cheesy dialogue almost prevented me from seeing the movie a tenth time. Jimbo really needs help with his writing.

-- Richard Walden (Richard3@prodigy.com), May 12, 1998.

Hahaha. Why can't people just admit they like, and yes, may even be a little obsessed with, an imperfect creation (as I obviously am). I at least have the guts to admit that one of my favorite movies may not be the zenith of cinematic achievement. Really, Richard, just the fact that you like a film does not necessarily make it great art! Seeing "Titanic" nine times has not inured me to its "cheesy dialogue", but I still like it.

-- Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 12, 1998.

I thought you were just kidding about those lines being inappropriate. Since you were genuine, let me educate you as to why they were appropriate. Size and luxury became the overriding consideration in shipbuilding at that time, and issues like safety were consequently of little importance. Hence arrogance was a major contributing factor to the disaster. The line Rose used conveyed a possible reason for that preoccupation with size. No, a similar joke could not have been made about women; at that time their rights and status no where near approached those of men. Just because most of those who died were men it doesn't mean one can't joke about men who are obsessed with size. For Pete's sake, Cameron was jabbing at himself in making the "biggest", most expensive movie of all time. If you didn't laugh at the line, perhaps Dr. Freud was writing about the likes of you. Have a great day!

-- Richard Walden (Richard3@prodigy.com), May 13, 1998.

Thanks, Richard. I will. But why "So serious..." I laughed at the line too. Maybe for a different reason though...

-- Dan Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 14, 1998.

BTW Richard, I certainly won't argue that women had anything approaching equal status with men, nor do they now. So I don't need your "education". However, you must admit there was SOME advantage to being female that night in 1912. If you read the original script (educate yourself), you might get my point about "piling on". And just to stoop to your level briefly, could there be a reason why size doesn't matter to you? For the sake of your self-esteem, maybe? "Now I AM leaving..."

-- Dan "Die Titanic Die" Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 14, 1998.

Now I know why I haven't been engaging in discussion on the TitanicShack. People like this fellow refuse to stop making fools of themselves. When you grow up, Mr. Dalton, you will hopefully have gained a sense of humor and learned not to overanalyze and misconstrue events. I will allow you to have the last word on here, because as someone still developing his interpersonal skills you no doubt will insist on it. Of course women had an advantage on that ship (must we state the obvious), as did children. It does not lead that men preoccupied with size can not be poked fun of; there was a fallacy with their thinking that size and luxury were more important than safety. Other readers, I apologize for repeating myself, but it is for the sake of this emotional lad. With each new comment he writes, I am all the more grateful Mr. Cameron didn't allow much "help" with the writing. Mr. Dalton, I wish you a bright future. Work hard at school and be good to your family. Cheers!

-- Richard Walden (Richard3@prodigy.com), May 14, 1998.

"Size and luxury became the overriding consideration in shipbuilding at that time..." , "Hence arrogance was a major contributing factor to the disaster." Let's close the site! Richard has finally enlightened us. How foolish of me not to respect Richard's erudition! But then again, I only state the obvious....

-- Dan "Die Titanic Die" Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 15, 1998.

I only hope that someday I might achieve the same respect for women that Cameron has! At least in his movies....

And Richard, same to you. I hope you get that scholarship to Harvard some day. And marry good women, just like James.

-- Dan "Die Titanic Die" Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 15, 1998.

I apologize to Richard and everyone who reads this. I can honestly say that because I'm sure Cameron won't be reading this (haha). I didn't mean to sink this low. It's just when someone presumes to "educate" me with trivial knowledge and engages in ad hominem attacks instead of debating my point (this frequently occurs when I criticise the movie's dialogue or tone) that I sometimes give in and respond in kind. I don't want to pollute this fine site any further. I'll refrain from making further comments here or elsewhere on the site. But you can't stop me from reading!

-- Dan Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 15, 1998.

I apologize to Richard and everyone who reads this. I can honestly say that because I'm sure Cameron won't be reading this (haha). I didn't mean to sink this low. It's just when someone presumes to "educate" me with trivial knowledge and engages in ad hominem attacks instead of debating my point (this frequently occurs when I criticise the movie's dialogue or tone) that I sometimes give in and respond in kind. I don't want to pollute this fine site any further. I'll refrain from making further comments here or elsewhere on the site. But you can't stop me from reading!

-- Dan Dalton (DDalton2@prodigy.net), May 15, 1998.

this is better than the movie!!! heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

-- anna (foo@bar.com), May 19, 1998.