hey guys. i just saw titanic for the 9th time and had a question about one of the scenes. okay, the scene where ruth, the countess, and some other lady are having tea, and then molly comes in. the countess says here comes that vulgor brown woman and ruth replies quickly get up before she sits with us. now for my question, who is that one lady who is with ruth and the countess? if anyone could help me to answer this, it would be greatly appreciated.

-- Kate (r_dawson23@hotmail.com), February 13, 1998

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Response to who was with molly and countess

It was Ruth that said "here comes that vulgar Brown woman". Sorry, not sure who the other woman was.

-- Rose (rose364@earthlink.net), February 13, 1998.

Response to who was with molly and countess

I only remember those two players. The script I have (from www.script-o-rama.com) only mentions Ruth and the Countess of Rothes in this scene (scene 74).

Perhaps you have the players in this scene confused with a similar scene (#98), where Ruth, the Countess and Lucy Duff-Gordon are discussing Rose's wedding arrangement.

Cheers!

-- Kip Henry (kip-henry@ouhsc.edu), February 13, 1998.

Response to who was with molly and countess

I remember the scene, Kate, but I don't know who the woman is. I did notice that when they are walking on the deck, she is not there. Sorry I couldn't help more!

-- Misty Chacon (Mystified) (HiRver@concentric.net), February 14, 1998.

Response to who was with molly and countess

The scene referred to has Ruth, the countess and an unidentified woman having tea. Ruth is sayng, "The purpose of attending University is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that." She then realizes Molly is coming, stands and says they should leave quickly. They're not quick enough, however, and Molly invites herself along on the stroll on deck to "catch up on the gossip." The next scene is of Ismay sitting in the dining room with an iceberg warning in his hand and talking to Captain Smuth. In the beginning of this scene, behind Ismay, you can see Ruth, the Countess and the third woman leaving the dining room. There is clearly 3 light colored outfits and since Molly was wearing black, she was not one of those three. The next scene is of Rose and Jack at the railing with Rose saying "Why can't I be like you, Jack. Head off into the horizon anytime I feel like it." That scene progresses to the spitting lesson. When Ruth approaches the third woman is there in the background. She has no lines and is never identified.

-- Linda (Ashokan4@yahoo.com), February 14, 1998.

Response to who was with molly and countess

In the Fox special aired last night, they referred to that woman as the one that overheard Capt. Smith and Bruce Ismay discussing the speed of the ship and making New York a day early and beating Olympic's record. There has been controversy over the years as to whether this conversation ever took place. At the inquiry after the disaster, Ismay was asked if he ever discussed increasing the speed of the ship with Capt. Smith. His answer was a firm "Never!". This woman testified to overhearing the conversation. I myself believe it did take place and that Ismay, believing there was no one capable of contradicting him alive (namely E.J. Smith), was trying to clear his own record, or a little more bluntly, cover his butt! It just seems to fit Ismay's character and track record of finger pointing and denial.

-- Peter Nivling (pcnivling@capecod.net), February 14, 1998.

Response to who was with molly and countess

i think that kate is right about the countess saying "here comes that vulgor brown woman." because i went again today and payed close attention to that. kate was right.

-- Jen (honeypot25@hotmail.com), February 14, 1998.

I think the third woman was Madelaine Astor. It sort of makes sense because Ruth seems to know the prominent women passengers and Madelaine Astor was married to the richest man on board.

-- Ellie (ellesbelles@ccken.freeserve.co.uk), October 16, 1999.

The woman is never identified, but the Countess of Rothes was travelling with her cousin Miss Gladys Cherry, while she has no lines and is never identified we can only specualte.

-- Eric Lutz (Apollo848@aol.com), November 22, 2002.

The woman is Madeline Astor who married John J. Astor. She was seen at dinner at the foot of the staircase with her husband.Rose introduces Jack to the Astors then continues to their table.

-- T. A. (steamboat_willie2000@yahoo.com), July 15, 2003.

The woman must have been Gladys Cherry,the cousin to the countess.I doubt if ruth and the countess would converse with Mrs. Astor, as Ruth would have been friends with his first wife,{plus she was pregnant!}Miss Cherry and the Countess were only two of 12 people who regestered as "Of Independant Means"which would make them desirerable for Ruth to hang with, as her finances were so shaky

-- matthew j patriquin (ottrethree@webtv.net), July 20, 2003.

It was cousin of countess of Rothes, miss Gladys Cherry. They travelled together in cabin B-77. (visit www.encyclopedia- titanica.org , passengersof 1st class and find her name, there is her biography)

-- Zlatoslav Lockhart (zlatoslavlockhart@email.cz), August 30, 2003.

If everyone would watch the scene closer, one would realize that Ruth does point out who her two tea companions are. As the three women are getting ready to stand up Ruth says to Molly that she was just going to show the heir and the countess to the boat deck. The heir most likely was Mrs. Astor, but that's just a guess since she is married to the richest man aboard.

-- david festge (davidflpn@yahoo.com), November 05, 2003.