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Why are there two Creeds?...How did they develop and what is the main function of each prayer and what is the difference?
-- Thomas Garling (T12399@aol.com), January 24, 1998
There are two Creeds. They say what the catholics must beleive and they aren't against each other. The Apostles Creed was made by the first Apostles and it's valid for nowdays. The Niceane Creed was made more detailed and explained than the Apostles Creed to be better understood by the people of later generations, and of course, it's valid for nowdays.
-- Carmen (cpineda@banamex.com), February 09, 1998.
Hi Thomas,Actually there are Four official Creeds of the Catholic Church.
The Apostles, The Nicene, The Athanasian, and The Credo of Paul the VI. The word Creed comes from Latin "Credo" meaning "I Believe". I originally was called The Symbol of Faith. Most "American" versions used in the Mass start with "WE Believe" but the original was "I Believe", it was a statement of what " I " believe required of each person to be Baptized. I still say "I Believe" because it is MY statement of MY faith.
-- Rich Pohlman S.F.O. (REPSFO@Prodigy.net), April 28, 1998.
I thought that the Apostles creed and the Nicene creed were pretty much one in the same. Are they actually two seperate creeds?Where did the other two creeds come from, I don't believe I"ve heard of them before?
Anyone?
God bless,
-- Kathy (sorry@nomail.com), September 17, 2002.
While looking up the other two creeds that I was not familiar with, I found something that I also did not know that I would like to share with you guys.Did you know that the Nicene Creed is actually The Creed of Constantinople?
Is there another name for The Credo of Paul the VI? I looked it up, but several things came up.....one of which looks more like a letter written back in 1968 or somewhere around then. Not sure if I have the right creed.
I also noticed the word "amillennial" not sure what this word means....does anyone else know?
God bless,
-- Kathy (sorry@nomail.com), September 17, 2002.
Hi, Kathy.Here is a good page for comparing the Apostles' Creed (which has its name because it is believed to date from the apostolic age) and the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed (which dates from the 4th century). Most of the Nicene Creed comes from the first ecumenical council (the one at Nicaea in 325, I think), but part was added at one of the Councils of Constantinople. [By the way, I wonder if the women here would poke around at the above-linked site (www.catholicwomen.com) and let me know if they think that it is a good one.]
Another Creed you mentioned (the one written by Pope Paul VI) is called the Credo of the People of God. [The creed itself starts at about the tenth paragraph with "We believe ..."] I'll bet that not 1% of Catholics have ever read it. Let's change that starting today!
Here is an article that tells you about "amillenialism" and contrary positions within Christianity on the "end times."
God bless you.
John
-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), September 17, 2002.
John,Thank you....you listed three excellent sites!! I love the "catholic woman" site. I wonder if Mary Lu and the rest of the girls have seen it. I bookmarked it in my favorites. Love the "pots and pans" prayer! )Girls...if you haven't been there yet, check it out...you'll love it.)
The article on amillenialism was excellent. I learned more than I had asked for.....thank you for that.
The Credo of the People of God is well written (except for the typo in the second to last paragraph...'Cod', should be God). A bit long, but pretty much sums up what Catholics stand for and believe in. What I don't understand is why no-one has linked this creed when people come here and dictate what/who Catholics are. I think questions could be better asked if this creed was read first. It is too bad that this forum couldn't have a type of home page with this creed before entering the forum.
"I'll bet that not 1% of Catholics ever read it" If your right John, that is pretty sad. It is obvious that Pope Paul VI put alot of thought and time into developing this creed.
Lets change that starting today!
I would encourage all Catholics and non-Catholics to read it especially those of us here in the forum.....if any of you here have not read it yet.....well, you are missing out on something that is well written. Go ahead I dare you to read it!!!
John, as always....from the bottom of my heart, thank you!
God bless you,
-- Kathy (sorry@nomail.com), September 17, 2002.
You're welcome, Kathy.
(Did you notice that the catholicwomen.com site is the work of a woman who has been married for more than 50 years? It's never too late to learn how to use a micro-computer.)
JFG
-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), September 17, 2002.
No John.....I didn't notice that....yet. :-)
-- Kathy (sorry@nomail.com), September 17, 2002.
Might some one please e mail me a copy of the niceana Creed.motleyjack@yahoo.ca
-- Richard goodman (Motleyjack@yahoo.ca), April 13, 2003.
The Nicene Creed is as follows:We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Here we say this creed during Mass, and only say the Apostle's Creed for the Rosary. I believe in some countries the Apostle's Creed is used during Mass.
God bless
Sara
-- (sara_catholic_forum@yahoo.co.uk), April 13, 2003.
Can anyone tell me when the church changed the Niceane creed by removing the words not PC "Men". I remeber as a kid the creed saying "For us men and for our salvation" I wonder when and why that changed. Great site my daughters and I have enjoyed reading and printing from it this tonite.
-- Joel MacLean (joel@macleanagency.com), October 29, 2003.
I also remeber this part differently. He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became man. Do you remember? I am not comfortable with changes. I am only 38 years old but wish the church would stick with a rigid belief in at least the words of prayers. I want to say the same prayers that came out of my grandmother's mouth. I want to say the same words a nun working the missions 100 years ago said. I wish they wouldn't change prayers.
-- Joel MacLean (joel@macleanagency.com), October 29, 2003.
Hello, Joel.
Glad you like the forum. Come back and keep coming back. Even if you are retired, it would take you all year to read our archives -- almost six years, thousands of discussion threads.You wrote: "Can anyone tell me when the church changed the Niceane creed by removing the words not PC 'Men.' I remeber as a kid the creed saying 'For us men and for our salvation' I wonder when and why that changed."
I hate to have to tell you this, but the words have NOT changed. They are still: "For us men and for our salvation." If you are hearing, "For us and for our salvation," that is a serious liturgical abuse, a sin of disobedience, perpetrated by your pastor or bishop (who lack the authority to delete, add, or change any word in the Creed). You should begin again to say "men" TODAY, no matter what anyone else says.
As you realize, this is a way of being "politically correct," of kowtowing to radical feminists -- a way of ignoring the fact that the word "men" can be understood in a general sense ("human beings"), not just in a specific sense ("males"). It is a serious abuse because of the disobedience and also become the omission of "men" results in an error. The Church intends to say that Jesus "came down from heaven" for all of mankind ("for us men"), whereas some in the congregation can misinterpret "for us" to be referring only to "us" who are present in the building at the particular time.
God bless you.
John
-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 01, 2003.
[The final sentence was clipped prematurely. It should have ended in this way:]"... to be referring only to 'us' who are present in the building at the particular time, or only to 'us' Catholics, or only to 'us' of the Christian age."
-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 01, 2003.