I know that Ivomec is good for worming goats. We just got a new doe yesterday and I had my husband pick up some 15 injectable for cattle (my understanding is that this works well for goats when given orally). Anyway, he picked up IvomecPlus, which is 1% ivermectin and 10% clorsulon. Is this okay to use on my goats? I have looked at all the sites I can think of with worming info and so far I have had no luck finding clorsulon listed anywhere. I would really hate to give them something that is not safe for them... and we are having very hard time finding ANYthing that is just for goats here. Plus, we just had a hard rain and there was a lot of new grass the day after it stopped and my freshened Saanen doe got diarrhea. I know it could have been from all of the new grass but I also know it could be that she is needing worming, too. So I really want to get this done. (BTW, I gave her some probiotics and a dose of PeptoBismol and she is fine one day later...)

Thanks in advance for any advice.

-- Leighanne T. (robertt@click1.net), April 11, 2002

Answers

leighanne I have qa farm full of goats and I use ivomec plus for oral worming every 90 days year round---I use 1 cc to 50lbs orally and make sure they swa;;ow it. rae

-- RAE HILBURN (hilburn@olemac.net), April 11, 2002.

Thank you Rae, I am going to go out and worm all of them now. Also every ninety days sounds like a good schedule. Do you have dairy goats? If you do, how long do you withhold milk or do you at all? I have heard that regular ivermectin is used to worm people in other countries, but, again, I don't know anything about clorsulon.

And that should read 1% injectible for cattle in my first post, not 15.... =0).

Thanks again!

-- Leighanne T. (robertt@click1.net), April 11, 2002.

My vet used IvermectinPlus to worm my goat when she had some kind of tapeworm. Wish she could have just told me to use it, I could have done it myself.

-- Anita in NC (anitaholton@mindspring.com), April 11, 2002.

I have Meat goats (boers) not a point with me. Call your vet, he or she can tell you. Rae

-- RAE HILBURN (hilburn@olemac.net), April 11, 2002.

The added ingredient is for adult liver fluke. I use the plain since we don't have liver flukes, but then Valbazen also has liverfluke control and we use it. Having goats is a balancing act :) Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (Nubians) (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), April 11, 2002.

Vicki, how long would you recommend we not drink the milk? Fias Co farm's website says four days for the regular Ivomec...

=0) I am learning about this balancing act all the time. I am so appreciative of this forum and folks like all of you who are willing to help out a beginner. Thanks so much!

-- Leighanne T. (robertt@click1.net), April 12, 2002.

You mention two kinds of wormers on these letters can you give both of these to bred mom's and to the babies.I have some that just had babies also that i need to worm mom and thier kids.thanks

-- Pastor Hughes (hbchurch@brightok.net), April 12, 2002.

Hi, fiascofarms.com and alot of the other sites only get the question answered half right. You don't sell the milk or use it to make cheese for 4 days, but "The withdrawal period for ivermectin should probably last 1 month" according to Goat Medicine. Why the long range of differing opinions? Because nobody really knows, Ivermectin absorbs in the fat, so it depends on how much fat the doe has how much absorption she will have, how much butterfat she has and how good she milks, depends upon what is found in the milk. Did you know a really good milker gets drugs out of her system much quicker than a poor milker? Also if you don't use Valbazen during the first trimester of pregnancy because of the increase in fetal deformaties/abortion you would want to use this same management for Ivermectin Plus since it has the same liver fluke control (that causes the fetal deformaties in cattle in Valbazen. Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (Nubians) (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), April 12, 2002.

I have no clue about worming bred does... but we wormed our kids... and they are fine (five weeks old.)

Oh, Vicki.... I have one more question. How long do you withhold milk after worming?? It seems like thirty days would be a long time to go without using the milk, especially if you wormed every ninety or were on some other similar schedule. How long do others here not use the milk after worming? This is all new to me and I am learning as I go.

Another thing I was wondering is if anyone has any good sites with information they find credible? I will look for "Goat Medicine" on half.com this evening; it seems like a good book to have. Right now I have "Storey's Guide to Raising Dairy Goats" and I have been using it and the internet for information.

Thanks, ya'll!

-- Leighanne T. (robertt@click1.net), April 12, 2002.

I have a quick ? We have always wormed with ivomec by injecting it under the skin, Are you saying you can just squirt it down there throats? sure would make life easier as seinna jumps like crazy when we go to do her. We use ivomec injection for sheep and swine 1%.can this be done oraly?

-- kathy h (ckhart55@earthlink.net), April 12, 2002.

Most of what I have read (again, my sources are mainly the one goat book and the internet) says that you can dose the 1% ivermectin for cattle and swine orally. We dosed ours with 1cc per 50 pounds. I have read that some folks use more and some use less. But then again I am no expert (sometimes my dh says I know just enough to be dangerous ). When you do inject the ivermectin, how long do you not drink the milk (if you have dairy goats)?

HTH, and thanks.

-- Leighanne T. (robertt@click1.net), April 12, 2002.

"When you do inject the ivermectin, how long do you not drink the milk (if you have dairy goats)?"

There is no set withdrawal, that is why it is not recommended for dairy animals. We use it on dry does/kids even so. My daughter works at a dairy and recently one of the milkers was accidentally dosed with inj. Ivomec, they called the company, spoke with multiple Vets...and it was a looong time. Can't remember exactly.....but alot of dumped milk. :( This got me wondering about using it orally, which I've never done, but have heard of...withdrawal?

-- Patty (SycamoreHollow1@aol.com), April 13, 2002.