How I Survived the Y2K Menace, Fought the NWO, and Lived to Tell About It

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Well, to be quite frank, I really don’t remember a whole lot.

Sometime in ’99, I started seeing articles in the paper about how much money was being spent by the public and private sectors to fix computer systems that might go haywire when the clock turned over to the new century. I remember a story on the TV news about some people thinking the world was going to end, so they were banding together in a cave somewhere. And I applied a test that was in the printed up in the Business section of the paper that tested out whether my home PC would have a problem or not (it wouldn’t and didn’t). At work, we have a PC support group that takes care of that stuff, so I never really concerned myself.

So, there you have it, one man’s account. I didn’t really know that much about it, nobody that I knew really knew that much about it. I just assumed that the right people were on the job, that they would take care of things. And, until very recently, I simply accepted that that is what happened.

But now, thanks to Doc Paulie, I have learned The Truth. Yes, I now know The Way. I have seen The Light. As it turns out, I did everything wrong.

What I should have done was become completely captivated by this issue, not for one minute trusting the technical people who actually knew about computers. After all, they worked for The Government. Or, even worse, Microsoft! (Which was involved in that huge court battle, where the former was trying to break up the latter. Obviously another NWO ploy to confuse us poor suckers!)

Next, I should have researched this vitally important issue myself by going to where it was thoroughly explained: Doc Paulie’s “debunking” web site. There, I would have learned that the whole Y2K thing was actually a New World Order hoax, concocted to perpetuate their evil schemes. This apparently involved the Federal Government, Microsoft, and assorted “little people” in the IT industry who were just trying to sneak in more money for their computer budgets. (Jeez, the depths that some people will go to, just to get more mousepads.)
,br> Anyway, had I done these things, I certainly would have had a much better time of it when the dreaded January 1, 2000 came. Especially if I had done what Doc Paulie encouraged The Faithful to do on his web site: get busy “BUYING SOMETHING” from his amazon.com connection.

Nahhhhh. Thanks anyhow, Doc. I’m glad I did it my way....

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001

Answers

TK:

Well, to be quite frank, I really donÂ’t remember a whole lot. Sometime in Â’99 You are going to have to stop composing in WP.

I, no way, believe that you are that "nave". Your IT people aren't that good unless you are just running normal business software. Most of the software that I run is custom. Some of it is only on my machines. Some of it controls containment devices that must operate. It was easy to find out that Mac and Unix programs that I had wouldn't have any problems. I wasn't so sure about the Win OS. After looking at it in great detail, I followed the advice of my great-great granfar, who before the civil war, said, never download an MS patch until a hundred others that you know have tried it and not screwed-up their machines. Besides granfar, I also know people who write code for said company. In the end, I just reset the date on those machines. Of course, I had to be there to do it at midnight on the containment facilities. They did just what MS said they would do.

I don't think that you will find many people here who thought that Y2k was going to end the world.

Go to some of the other sites for that.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


Dude you are delusional now. Take a break. Go outside and get some fresh air.

Amazing how many live but this close to a rubberroom. I see where Mariah Carey is now strapped down in some walnut grove. Shame she just never amounted to anything the poor girl. Hell I wish her the best, but am I supposed to care? really?

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


TK: you don't know squat about what was going on. Mostly because at its core, Y2k was not a problem for the public nor the Press. It got "politicized" by the usual extremist elements because it had all the ingredients for a major problem including a fixed deadline. Corp. non-disclosures and Legal wordings made evasiveness the standard. Few companies would outright claim they had licked the problem because of the liability involved if they were in error in such a disclosure.

After nothing happened, it seems in retrospect to have been a "minor problem" but it was not. It turns out now that the Net and Y2k combined to overheat the high tech sector and when both slowed down, the result was the collapse of the hyped wonders of Dot Com and worse, the entire Telecom Infrastructure companies. Not one single one of them has avoided cutbacks and writedowns.

Repleacement of defective PCs whose bios would not work past 1/1/2000 was the preferred method rather than simply snapping in a new bios chip or flashing an older one. That lead to some overheating in the PC Feeding chain and the cutbacks have killed the profit margins of all of the chain even the build to order White Box Cos. That in turn, lead to a severe cutback in orders for Chips of every kind from PC to telecom and the Semi Machine Manufacturing business likewise. Only now have prices stopped going down.

In case you haven't noticed, grey market price for 256 and even 512 Meg dRAM modules borders on "we will pay you to take them because we have to keep making them". Glut is the proper word. Prices are 15% of pre-`1/1/2000 and it took six months for the start of the slide. You can peg it almost precisely because Semi "contracts" are based on 3,6 and one year "schedules".

Y2k was a legitimate computer problem for old software and older systems stemming from the truncation of date fields. It was almost standard that a teacher in any "Intro to programming" or Pascal 1A tell students that the problem would surface by the 1990s. It did. The Chase Bank alone spent $350 Million just to remediate code and systems. CitiCorp Double that. Others got off easy. One 16 Billion Dollar in rev. Insurance co spent less than $10 million.

Yourdon and Hyatt both moved 250,000 copies each of books on "how to prepare for the coming danger of Y2k". The US Gov. and Corps spent about $75 BILLION with a B as estimated by GIGA and Gartner. Much was for needed upgrades of PC and other iron that had been delayed thanks to downsizing on one hand and the entrance of the Internet to Corp life on the other.

The Public should NEVER have been involved in Y2k but Yourdon, Hyatt, North and a collection of semi-retards in Congress "politicized" the issue.

For a more complete overview try this from someone at Carnegie Mellon:

http://www.aleae.com/rollover/internet.html

While it only highlights some of the stupidity involved, some of us have CDs filled with the major FUD net sites. Grand Total? 200 Megs Plus.

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


You might want to read this web site before you open your mouth or pound on your keyboard again, "TK".

http://www.mcs.net/~aaron/

The whole site and the Skeptical Inquirer article.

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


http://www.mcs.net/~aaron/tmc.htm

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


This explains a bit more. The only expert who "got it right" from the start.

http://www.softwaremanagement.com/References/year_2000.html

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


Then a brief assortment of threads for the truly lame of brain:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/top20.html

LINK

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


One of Poole's more serious efforts mostly lost on the Doomzies. Still, one of the great satisfactions of 2001 is that we no longer have to even think about St. Leon of Kappelman or his idiot squire, the Blessed David of Hall.

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/3719.html

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


This one won't hurt you either:

http://www.jediknight.com/~smpoole/indexa.html

LINK

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


for those who don't wish to click we bring you:

http://www.jediknight.com/~smpoole/fix0899b.html

LINK

In this issue:

Ed "Chameleon" Yourdon
Winner Of The Flying Pig Award: Leon Kappelman
From The Trenches: Cherri Stewart
A Passing ... And A Reprehensible Response


Note: I update this page frequently. If you don't see the article you're looking for, it may be in the archives. Click here for an index of previous State of Y2K articles.

Ed "Chameleon" Yourdon

In mid-July, I posted An Open Letter To Ed Yourdon. Yourdon responded ... and then the response (and his entire Web site, for that matter) disappeared with no warning. Any attempt to access the site won the attempter a 404 ("Page Not Found").

As a result, I linked to a copy of his response on my main page. Well, now his site is back, including Yourdon's response to my open letter. But I want to look at the New And Improved Site first.


Call me a prophet; I predicted in June 1999 that Ed's "retirement" from Y2K wouldn't last and, further, that he would write another book. Yourdon's site now features an online book-in-progress (the same way TB2000 was initially launched) with the working title "Humpty Dumpty 2000."

Yourdon has apparently moved beyond the concept of Y2K disruptions, having taken that as a given; he's now gearing up for Y2K recovery.

My New And Improved prophecy, then, is that Ed will write at least two additional tomes about Y2K: the "Humpty Dumpty" thing, and another (sometime next year) congratulating the IS community for proving him wrong and for fixing Y2K. "You're all heroes," he will say.

The man is no longer "Indiana Ed" in my book. He's a chameleon. Hold him up for scrutiny and he turns sky blue. Hold him against gullible people with money ... and he turns cash green.

We should all be so malleable. After all, we are talking about the guy who wrote and continues to sell at his Web site the books "Decline And Fall Of The American Programmer" and "Rise And Resurrection Of The American Programmer" ... two books which completely contradict each other.

But why quibble?


Quibble we shan't. Instead, let's look at his response to my open letter.

Yourdon admits that he was wrong about the fiscal year problem (he rather smoothly ignores that this isn't the only prediction he's blown by a long shot, but let's keep this simple), and then says:

But having done some serious soul-searching on this issue, my fundamental outlook on Y2K remains essentially unchanged. My reaction to the [lack of problems thus far] ... is basically the same as when someone tells me ... that the [banks are finished] ... "I'm not sure I believe such a statement without the assurance of a third-party IV&V vendor, but even assuming that it's true, what about everything else?"

So ... instead of admitting that he was wrong, we have more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD). I cover that elsewhere in the new ditty, "Embeddeds" And The It Mindset. Suffice to say, the Chameleon has earned his Flying Pig Award and it shall remain in the showcase.


Let's look at one more statement from his response:

I'm sure you can anticipate what my strongest disagreement will be, with regard to the assertion that "fiscal-year Y2K problems were non- existent, and therefore Y2K won't be a serious problem after all." That disagreement involves two words: embedded systems.

Well, stay tuned, Ed. Let's introduce a fellow who will share the Flying Pig Award with you on the strength of his concerns about embedded systems and "everything else ..."


Winner Of The Flying Pig Award: Leon Kappelman

(08-22-1999) Upon releasing the original version of this article at the old wwjd.net site, I received an email from Dr. Kappelman. It accused me of "slander;" he demanded that I remove my "lies" from this page, or he "may take legal action."

He (or one of his supporters) also sent legal threats to wwjd.net, which resulted in my site being closed temporarily. I agreed to move it because they're outstandingly nice people, and I saw no reason whatsoever to cause them any trouble.

I have since rewritten and expanded this to cover some late- breaking events, including an appearance by Bro Leon on Fox 4 television in Dallas/Ft. Worth. The man is worth a smile a minute.


Dr. Leon Kappelman is an Associate Professor of Business Computer Information Systems at the University of Northern Texas (in Denton, TX). Calling the man "prolific" is like referring to an elephant as "large;" he's probably cranked out more articles on Y2K than anyone (save, of course, for Gary "The Trumpet Of Doom" North).

As chair of the Society for Information Management's Year 2000 working group, Kappelman has published the most restrictive definition of "compliance" that we've found yet (from Year 2000 Problem: Strategies and Solutions from the Fortune 100, (c)1997):

"Year 2000 compliance" describes the general approach to ensuring that the computing environment (consisting of hardware, custom-built applications, data, purchased software, and other related functions) will neither fail nor produce incorrect results due to the impact of the changing century and calculations based on dates ...

In short, things will "work" as they do today into and beyond the year 2000.


That's innocuous-sounding on its face; "things will 'work' as they do today."

Hmmm. Define "work." Define "incorrect results."

I've mentioned elsewhere that I have some machines that use the date solely to mark log printouts; the dates have 2-digit years. Technically, the printout will contain an "incorrect result" in January.

Big deal; we'll simply hand-correct the date with a Sharpie(tm).

Kapp took me to task for saying (in the original) that he felt that any 2-digit date was potentially non-compliant. I accused him of disingenuity, because he makes his position pretty clear in those dozens of articles to which I referred earlier.

For example, more than once, he's written on strategies for IS managers to convince their bosses to move to 4-digit dates; you should read them. And in an article about "Y2K Myths," he states that Windows 98 isn't compliant, with the offhand comment, "The name alone should alert us to the simple fact that Windows 98 is not Y2K OK, either."


Leon is an Idealist; a defender of Women and Children.

(Of course, Idealism apparently doesn't preclude using the University of North Texas' Web server for commercial purposes -- ie, to to sell his materials -- but I digress.)

Theroux one said, "if I knew that a man was coming over to my house with the fixed intention to do me good, I would run for my life."

Well, Leon Kappelman is that man. Run.


High on Leon's list of priorities is Keeping The Pressure On. We can't let anyone think that Y2K isn't going to be a big deal, or that there won't be severe consequences if every single Y2K bug isn't located and dealt with.

This extremely rigid view got him in trouble with the Information Technology Assocation of America (ITAA) a few months ago; he testified to Congress that limits on damages in Y2K lawsuits were a bad idea (because he felt that it would cause organizations to relax a bit in their remediation efforts). As a result, the ITAA gave him the boot.

But no regrets from Denton! "I've been thrown out of better places," Leon sniffed gamely.


Kappelman has been expostulating and pontificating for some time (both at his web site and in expensive private seminars) that embedded systems are the real killer (in spite of the fact that, to my knowledge, he has no qualifications to even speak on the subject and has never written a line of code for an industrial controller.)

(I again refer you to "Embeddeds" And The IT Mindset, where I point out that having a degree in Information Systems or the equivalent does not confer a degree in electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, or any other specialty.)

We must Test Them, sayeth Leo. We must Test Them All and (since that's not possible; there's not enough time) plan for the worst.

(Sound familiar?)


OK (some of you are getting impatient, I can sense these things), so why does Kapp get the FPA? It's simple: in spite of the fact that the news about Y2K has been getting better for some time, he -- like Yourdon, our charter winner -- refuses to accept it. He insists on keeping the pressure up in spite of this good news.

We should have seen this coming. Let's go back to mid-1998. Paul Strassman had written an article for the May 18th issue of Computerworld about about Y2K expenditures; he concluded that "far less" was being spent on Y2K than was anticipated. (Ironically, in 1999, various Y2K Authorities would acknowledge this and do a complete flip: it would now be used it as proof that the problem wasn't being fixed!)

An email debate between Strassman, Ed Yourdon, Capers Jones and Kappelman resulted; here's a snippet taken from the June 8 issue:

Kappelman:... the SEC data is weak due to off-Y2K-budget items (for example, upgrades, replacements) and underreporting errors ... As the Society of Information Management's Year 2000 Working Group points out in our new white paper, there is often an enormous disconnect between upper management (those who approve SEC paperwork) and the people running Y2K projects (those who answer the SIM study questionnaires). From what I've seen about these projects, I'd place my money on the project managers.

Strassmann:When I weigh the biases of project managers reporting to SIM and management reporting to the SEC, all I can say is that management may be held accountable for what they say. It becomes a matter of record and subject to litigation and liability suits. Project managers filling out SIM questionnaires cannot and would not ever be held accountable for what they say ... ((c)1998 IDG Publications)


Leon continues to believe that Y2K won't be fixed in time. It's also worth mentioning that Kappelman was one of many who predicted possible problems from the GPS rollover this weekend. As I write this, the rollover has already passed, and the rumors of collapse and mayhem were somewhat exaggerated ...

Anyway, here's the award:


Dr. Leon Kappelman


Update: The Jim Lord "Secret Navy Documents" story has also broken in the past few days. (I've been busy this weekend!). We'll cover that farce (and that's precisely what it is) in the next edition of State of Y2K; but it's appropriate because of an email that I received from Dallas Saturday morning, August 21: Kappelman had just appeared on Fox4 News to talk about Lord's report.

"The reporter was almost breathless," said my informant, "about this newest Navy report being the "worst news on Y2K so far" -- which claim, my informant insists, Kappelman did nothing to dispel.

But at one point, Leon was asked: "is there a 'possibility that you and the Navy are overestimating the problem'..."

The answer from St. Leon: "ABSOLUTELY. But what if its your community? What does it mean if airports work at 75% for six months or 95%?? I'm working with 40 countries and Los Angeles....... Of the 40 countries I'm working with there are many I don't want to be in next year."

And there you go. Now let's meet a gal from whom Leon could have learned some things, had he bothered to listen ...


From The Trenches: Cherri Stewart

I spend so much time here pounding the Prophets of Y2K Doom that I don't often get around to congratulating the warriors who've done yeoman's work in countering all of the misinformation. I'd like to amend that oversight with a look at one such GI Jane, Cherri Stewart.

Cherri began tinkerning with electronics at the age of 10; she has now logged over 30 years in everything from embedded controller design to operating system design to mainframes. (As she puts it, "I have installed more mainframe systems than most people have even seen.")

In the weeks to come, I'm going to post some of her better essays in the Expert's Section here at the site. But here's a sample, and it touches on what I said about Kappelman above:

All this "speculation" is just that. Anyone can come up with their own concept of how whatever is/was done. Why not just get the schematic and have someone who knows how to read and understand one look at it and find out how it actually works?? The same goes for all these "embedded systems!!!"


Preach it, Cherri. People like Kappelman (and his various compatriots, especially Dave Hall -- a long-time sparring partner with Cherri online) have maintained that these systems "must be tested." They won't ask the people who actually install, program and use these things on a daily basis, because we're Mere Techies. We aren't part of The Club.

(In Cherri's case, it's pure bias against her viewpoint, because she probably would qualify as a member of The Club.)

Kapp and Dave spent most of 1997 and 1998 telling us the we didn't understand; that we weren't taking the problem seriously. In fact, it was they who didn't understand (and in many cases, continue not to understand!) how these systems are actually used.


We're back to my favorite question for Y2K Doomlits. When they point to a particular control system and say, "if this fails, it could kill people!" I immediately ask: OK, so what do they do when this thing fails NOW? Or do you assume that these things never fail except for Y2K bugs?

(There's some logic in there, if you're interested.)

(The truth is the people like us -- who actually implement these things at the field level -- have all sorts of backups and contingencies in place.

Why? Because we've never fully trusted the darned things! They fail NOW, all the time!)


A Passing ... And A Reprehensible Response

Harlan Smith and I didn't agree about many things; he was too much of a Doomlit for my tastes. But the longtime Sysop of Compuserve's Year2000 forum did agree with me on the aforementioned "Embeddeds" And The IT Mindset essay.

Harlan passed away recently, rather suddenly and unexpectedly, and his family has my sympathy.

He gets none from our Ringmaster, though ... and if you ever needed proof that Paul Milne is slightly out of phase with the rest of us, his reaction to Smith's passing should be considered.


Right after Harlan Smith passed away, Milne posted these comments in comp.talk.year2000:

Why is it that when someone buys the farm everyone falls over himself to come out and say 'nice' things, AFTER the fact, when they would not say hello to the man when he was still eating lettuce. Well, I call a spade a spade, and I did not like Harlan when he was breathing, and I don't like him one bit better now.

I thought he was a class "A" Pollyanna Butthead and I won't back off from that merely because he cashed in his chips.

He'll need a light spring suit.

Way to go, Paulie. Of course, we are talking about the guy who, upon learning of my little Test of Web Journalism, simply replied: "You'll be dead soon."



-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001


That's disappointing. In web converse when you declared yourself a jedi knight and me a sand people I thought that was spontaneous and and funny. Didn't know you'd long before elevated your title proclamation to a web addy even. Guess every joke's funny the first time you hear it.

-- Anonymous, August 02, 2001

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003nk0

The Reuben Delusion

-- Anonymous, August 03, 2001


Holy Cristopher, I can't believe the intensity! Over something that I personally was/am hardly aware of.

Anyhoo, I'm working my way through the links on my lunch hour. So far, looks like many (AOL) are no longer there.

Thanks, and have a good weekend, everyone.

-- Anonymous, August 03, 2001


Carlos:

n web converse when you declared yourself a jedi knight and me a sand people I thought that was spontaneous and and funny. Didn't know you'd long before elevated your title proclamation to a web addy even.

Web address was around long before I remember you. Though I do like riffraff. It tends to explain you and me. should have known. I also am aware that not a lot of people are experienced in all the different areas of computing, from the digital electronics to the compilers. Most software engineers do not know how an A/C signal from an instrument gets turned into a DC pulse and flip/flops it's way through the computer as part of an instruction written by the programmer. But then, there wasn't much call for too many people to learn and work in such detail either.

>And you just had to mention Dave Hall didn't you? GGRRRRrrrr. What's he up to these days? After telling the congress that 6 billion embedded chips could fail, he goes and takes classes in how they work. It was these "so called experts" that cost so many so much more money than they needed to spend on Y2K.

OMG!!!! I spell checked and didn't have ANY mispelled words!!!!

-- Anonymous, August 05, 2001



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