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"Not to speak against the religious opinions of others," has become the ideal of this age claiming to display the highest finish in Christian ettiquette. Had they equipped the apostle Paul with this sort of cheap heraldry, he would have escaped all those "bonds and imprisonments" he so constantly "suffered for Christs sake" But if Paul were here today, he would prefer persecution rather than sit gracefully primped in the most magnificent gate of smiling applause sweetly fellowshipping seven faiths DIFFERING from each other...This is the error of the age. Jesus said in John 16:2,3 They shall put you out of the synagogues:yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. Christians wake up, read and study Gods word...It will be the so called christians that lead true believers to the anti-christ to be beheaded.

-- Judy (inhishand65@yahoo.com), April 03, 2001

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Please remember to put RELIGOUS along side your thread title .Does this post have anything to do with well something ?

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.

Patti,

The title to the post seemed pretty clear to me. "religious opinion"

-- Skip Walton (sundaycreek@gnrac.net), April 03, 2001.


Hmmm, when I read "Not to speak against the RELIGIOUS opinions of others", I somehow ASSUMED the subject contained religious material. I would think that putting RELIGION after a subject heading such as this would have been a little redundant??? Maybe we could ask Ken to find a new way to set up the subject headings so that whenever someone posted a message with RELIGION in the subject line, the topic would come up in neon colors, flashing lights, and perhaps have warning bells and whistles for those who can't seem to read. SHEESH! Altho I'm a Christian, it really doesn't bother me if I open a message that is non-Christian or even anti-Christian. I don't even expect to see a warning label telling me I might be about to read something contrary to my views. If it contains subject matter that truly upsets me, I do manage to exit the thread and find a subject of more interest.

To make sure NO ONE is offended, perhaps Ken could color code all the subjects - livestock threads listed in red (blood red, of course), the environmentalist threads listed in green, etc. Of course, then we would need a key at the top to make sure no one misunderstood/forgot what the different codes meant. Or maybe, we could try just READING the subject line, if we can't handle the different topics?

-- Lenette (kigervixen@webtv.net), April 03, 2001.


OK everyone get off your high horses .I some how missed it in the subject line or it did not click .Beleive it or not I was trying to add a friendly rememinder so this person would not get bashed .As that has happened before .I have no problem with any religious posts no matter what the religon is.Lennette , your blood red stuff was not needed either .For some reason , some folks think no one is aloud to make a mistake .Well get over it , we are all human .I just did not understand why this post was mad , or if I had missed something .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.

Lenette ,sorry I did not spell your name right .You say you are christian ,but all your BIG CAPITOL LETTERS seem a little hostil to me .It also doesnt give the impression of a loving christian person .Maybe thats why "christians" get such a bad rap .If you have been around long enough you would have known I do not post things to start fights and I am usually very good at turning the other cheek .Well everyone have a good day and bash to your hearts content .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.


So what does this have to do with homesteading?

-- Sherri C (CeltiaSkye@aol.com), April 03, 2001.

Judy,

Everyone here knows me and knows I believe in the Bible and love Jesus. But this is a HOMESTEADING Forum, we are all brought here together because of our love for homesteading, and our desire to always learn more and more about being self sufficient and smarter. I truly care about ALL my family here, I don't pick and choose. I don't care to get involved in the arguments about religion because it only brings strife to our forum. The world out there is allready full of enough heartache and trouble, and I find much comfort in comming here and talking with my dear friends. I would be out of line if I judged anyone here. Love begins at home, and this is home to me. Blessed are the Peacemakers. I am awake and still in my bubble and staying there. Love to you all.

-- Cindy in Ky (solidrockranch@hotmail.com), April 03, 2001.


It appears to me that Judy in her vast christian wisdom hopes to start another fight on this forum. Very christion behavior. No wonder so many people on this forum are turned off by the misplaced christian religion posts.

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 03, 2001.

I was not bashing anyone, altho it seems nowdays that disagreement is synonymous with bashing. I was simply trying to make a somewhat humorous (tho admittedly rather sarcastic) response to someone who was objecting to there not being a Religious Content warning on a subject title that was so obviously religious. Neither am I hostile, but I am so very tired of all the complaining and whining on this forum by anyone of any belief who can't handle someone simply stating a different viewpoint. I continually find that those who argue the loudest for "tolerance" are the least tolerant when it comes to opposing views.

And yes, I am a Christian. I don't just call myself a Christian, I am a Christian, and am totally unashamed of it. Being a Christian does not always mean lying down and being a wimp about our beliefs. Jesus may have turned the other cheek, but he also cleared the temple, overturning tables and benches. He was not ashamed to preach the Word, nor was he afraid to speak out against sin. He was particularly outspoken and angry regarding hypocrites. You wasted no time chastising the author of this thread for not posting that this was a religious thread (altho she did), but I notice you were quick to excuse yourself for your mistake.

-- Lenette (kigervixen@webtv.net), April 03, 2001.


I'm with Sherri C. What does any of this have to do with homesteading? Why are so many of these posts turning into slanging matches? Christian or non-Christian, we can all turn the other cheek.

-- David C (fleece@eritter.net), April 03, 2001.


Looks like just another attempt to start a fight to me too. Judy, are you Baptist by any chance? I was raised in the Baptist church, and that always seemed to be the major occupation of the one I attended. Always spent more time fighting and proclaiming how other denominations were going to hell because they weren't holy enough than they did visiting the sick, helping the poor etc. Wasn't that supposed to be the chief occupation of the church instead of alienating others? I suspect you are either on the wrong forum or perhaps you could find some charity work to do somewhere. It is a far different thing when someone's religion overflows into a thread than it is to start one just to be confrontational.

-- Green (ratdogs10@yahoo.com), April 03, 2001.

Lenette , at least I was big enough to say I made a mistake in not putting 2&2 together .Sorry it happens from time to time .But I am sure it has never happened to you .Skip brought it to my attention without being sarcastic or saying "Maybe we could ask Ken to find a new way to set up the subject headings so that whenever someone posted a message with Religion in the subject line, the topic would come up in neon colors,flashing lights,and perhaps having warning bells and whistles for those who can"t seem to read." Well I can read fine most of the time and write too !And you did not simply state a different view point .It was sarcastic and mean spirited .Its only intent was to cause bad feelings.If you where concerned I had made a mistake or judged the author unfairly there would have been at least 100 other ways to do it .I will be the bigger person and try to end this , those of you who have been on the forum know me and I will let it rest there .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.

"Does this have anything to do with well something?"

This statement of yours to Judy was not sarcastic ad meanspirited?

As for her topic not having anything to do with homesteading, I find many, many topics posted on this forum that have nothing to do with homesteading by any stretch of the imagination. Guess it's ok to post OT topics as long as it isn't Christian.

-- Lenette (kigervixen@webtv.net), April 03, 2001.


to error is human to forgive is divine

sally

-- sally stanton (mallardhen67@hotmail.com), April 03, 2001.


As to what was stated before ,I did not know if this post had something to do with another post or if something had gone on that I missed .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.


Well, I didn't see all this hoopla on the Hopi Elder thread. But then again Jesus name was in this one...and for some reason that name can aggravate people. God created all things, and homesteading and Christianity always seemed to me to go together. I will not ask forgiveness for my belief.

-- Judy (inhishand65@yahoo.com), April 03, 2001.

Judy, what's this? Blame Jesus when we catch on to your mean spirited bigoted tricks?

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 03, 2001.

I did not read that thread , maybe I should .I can always make a simple mistake and get blasted .Ow well at least I had a good laugh .To each his own and try to be kind .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 03, 2001.

Judy, I think you have confused tolerance with embracing. I would never care to go back to the days of old when Christians were killing in the name of Christ. It is not any human that will lead people to Christ and I think you need to let go and let God. This kind of post inflames an already difficult time in the history of this forum. There is no one on this forum that has not heard the Gospel. Take Care

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), April 03, 2001.

Where would a Christian be if there was no evil to be tested with.Where would anyone be.It's easy to just want to burn all the whiches and anti-christ of the world ,for their oppions.But then we'd be serving the same spirit as they.Let evil enemys be your stepping stone.Eat from the tree of life not the tree of the knowlege of good and evil.Let he without sin throw the first stone .And lets remember it was a prostitute who was the one he appeared to first to tell the others the good news when he rose from the dead.Why a prostitute?No good christian likes a prostitute.Maybe he was trying to show us an example of judging people .Let the example of Jesus who fogave the ones who crucified him while they were doing it,be the one you follow.And maybe we can stop scaring christians away from their roots and gain new christians.It hard to get new members if your damming them .Fear makes people react and the fear of the anti-christ is going to lead to everyone pointing the finger at the next person accussing them as a follower of the anti-christ and we're all going to rise against each other and kill one another over this fear.There's only one judge .Everyone else are just deffendents.

-- Steve (a12goat@cs.com), April 03, 2001.

I think it is possible to share the truth without being offensive about it. The best way I have seen is to live what you believe. Matthew 5:16. If people would simply put into practice the lessons of the sermon on the mount, I don't think they'd have to evangelize at all- the world would come flocking to them.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), April 03, 2001.

This post is one of the reason that I have turned away from organized religion. Everone is right and Everyone else is wrong. The major religions of the world recognize the same God. Their messangers of that God may differ in importance but they all recognize the same God. Maybe it is time for people to practice what they preach and to also respect the views of others. My Great Grandmother who passed away in 1958 at theripe old age of 95 told me that the greatest sin was to argue about religion. A wise lady.

-- Gary in NS (ggiles@north.nsis.com), April 03, 2001.

Oy vey! Whoever said that this is just another attempt to start an argument in this forum has my vote! I am really sorry I read it. I haven't gotten to the Hopi one yet but I bet it is interesting. Hey everyone, take a walk in the fresh air and enjoy the fact that God loves you!

-- Ardie from WI (a6203@hotmail.com), April 03, 2001.

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i hope spring comes soon caben fiver w[ll get us all

-- terry fields (bluetck56@aol.com), April 03, 2001.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....Peace :)

-- jz (oz49us@yahoo.com), April 03, 2001.

Seems to me that Patti apologized--wouldn't it be the kind thing to do to graciously accept her apology and move on?

-- amy (acook@in4web.com), April 03, 2001.

I've been sick the past couple of days and have been playing on the computer instead of doing something constructive.I've been just as bad in keeping it going.The debate over religion is getting to be a bit much and really has little to do with the practical aspects of homesteading.After reading the original posting I'm prompted to repeat an old saying. "Even Satan quotes scripture".I don't plan on being led down the garden path by ANYONE antichrist or not.Rule number one. Never get on the 'tater truck!If you don't get my meaning ask a Jew.

-- greg (gsmith@tricountyi.net), April 03, 2001.

Steve hit the nail on the head!!! Applause!!!! Judy and everyone else here would probably benefit from going a few posts up from this one and reading his again! You magnified His name today Steve! Cynthia P.S. I also totally agreed with whoever mentioned cabin fever! We all need a little fresh air and hard work! May the Lord shine down on us all!

-- Cynthia Speer (farmsteader@gvtel.com), April 03, 2001.

I always thought that being a homesteader meant being an independent thinker, free of the rampant consumerism brainwashing so common today. Someone who derived satisfaction from being able to provide for their family's needs, who knew the joy of serving a meal made from the produce and livestock they had carefully nurtured. Someone who was not a stranger to hard work, someone willing to lend a helping hand to a neighbor. Thanks to this forum, I've learned that truly the most important mark of a homesteader is the ability to quote sacred texts, especially if those quotes can be used to make others feel bad and put them in their places. I do so want to be a good homesteader, so let me quote one of my sacred texts for you. I'm sorry that it's not as exciting as some of the quotes other people have posted, I don't have anything about beheading unbelievers or wrath of God or pain and punishment, but I hope that you will like it.

The Charge Of The Goddess

Listen to the Words of the Great Mother, She, who of old, was also called among men Artemis, Astarte, Athena, Dione, Melusine, Aphrodite, Cerridwen, Diana, Arianrhod, Isis, Bride and by many other names.

Whenever ye have need of me, once in the month, and better it be when the moon is full, then shall ye assemble in some secret place and adore me, who am Queen of all Witches. There shall ye assemble, ye who are fain to learn all sorcery, yet have not won its deepest secrets. To these I will teach things that are yet unknown. And ye shall be free from slavery; and as a sign that ye are truly free, ye shall be naked in your rites. And ye shall dance, sing, feast, make music and love, all in my presence. For mine is the ecstasy of the spirit, and mine is also joy on Earth.

Keep pure your highest ideal; Strive ever towards it; Let naught stop you or turn you aside. For I am the Gracious Goddess, who gives the gift of joy unto the heart of man. Upon Earth, I give the knowledge of the spirit eternal; and beyond death, I give peace unutterable. Nor do I demand aught in sacrifice. For behold, I am the mother of all living, and my love is poured out upon the Earth. From me all things proceed, and to me all things must return.

Let my worship be within the heart that rejoiceth; for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals. Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you. And thou who thinkest to seek for me, know thy seeking and yearning shall avail thee not unless thou knowest this mystery: That if that which thou seekest thou findest not within thee, then thou wilt never find it without thee. For behold, I have been with thee from the beginning, and I am that which is attained at the end of desire.

From the Gardnerian Book of Shadows,

probably written by Doreen Valiente from Classic Greek and Roman sources.

-- WitchyWomyn (ravenheart44@aol.com), April 04, 2001.


Judy, you say ""Not to speak against the religious opinions of others, has become the ideal of this age". Not so. When I was a kid the rule of the day was don't discuss politics or religion.

These days however it seemingly has become the rule for evangelistic Christians to discuss religion at every opportunity, whether appropriate or not, whether invited or not and whether wanted or not and it drives people away from Christianity in droves, thus having the opposite effect of that desired by the prostheltyzer---at which point the evangelical gets to say "nobody loves me", and play martyr.

I suspect you're new to this board. If you'd been around here longer you'd know that we've been there done that and are generally trying to avoid going over the same territory again. There's enuf things to talk about without bringing up stuff thats almost certain to stir up controversy and hard feelings. There's no one here who hasn't heard it all before and who hasn't made their own, private decision which is between them and God. Let it be.

-- john (natlivent@pcpros.net), April 04, 2001.


Interesting that "Astarte" professes peace, yet is known as the goddess of WAR.

NOT TO PUSH MY BELIEFS OFF ON ANYONE ELSE, you are certainly free to choose to worship gods/goddesses from mythology, "but as for me and my house, we will choose the Lord".

-- Lenette (kigervixen@webtv.net), April 04, 2001.


Boy this sure opened a can of worms. I have to admit that I too am a christian and proud of it. There's but one way and that's through Christ Jesus. I don't buy that bit about other Gods and witches. There is but one God and he deserves all the praise and glory!

-- Marci (tmburnet@redred.com), April 04, 2001.

Marci, I don't see the non-christians trying to "sell" you their beliefs. Just the jesus freaks to that on this forum.

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 04, 2001.

I'm with you Lenette. The mention of Jesus brings about anger and resentment. The mention of witches, sorcery, and holding rituals under a full moon is acceptable. It's plain to see what is happening in America. We've ushered out the Light and welcomed darkness.

-- Lena(NC) (breezex4@go.com), April 04, 2001.

Come on over to the dark side boy, it'll be a hoot!

-- (redneck_jedi@hotmail.com), April 04, 2001.

I really shouldn't BUT....the Hopi elder thing is completely a mirror of the book of Revelation minus the need for Christ as the only salvation. I read it when there was one reply and felt no need to comment. No one seems to bang on pagans, but the name of Jesus Christ, sure rattles people's cages. As I read this post I must say that it is obviously addressed to those who claim the blood of Christ only, so all others really need not take exception to it. Blood bought, born again, ain't gonna beat ya 'bout the head and ears with the Bible, but I will not allow bashing of my Lord and Saviour either. Thanks for posting this, Judy. Food for thought...Take care and have a good night all of you.

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@excite.com), April 04, 2001.

OK... I was really going to stay out of it, though I had comments. But...

Jesus' name only rattles this pagan cage when it is used as a weapon. Judy's quote was really interesting. Especially since Christ was talking about Jews and synagogues and NOT Christians and churches. "They shall put you out of the synagogues:..." Last I heard, Christians didn't worship in synagogues.... or am I wrong?

Hopi have teachings that far pre-date the Bible in all its edited Glory. How many of you read Hebrew? Aramaic? Greek? I even read the Bible. There are many world religions which pre-date Christianity, and also have Virgin births, ressurrections, healings, death and all the rest that the Bible talks about.

At one point in time, Christians were put to death because they were thought to be a cult... Jews the same... There has not been a single religion on the face of this earth that hasn't been persecuted.... and by white people, mostly. Nobody has a corner on being the victims of persecution, either. Nobody.

There is a major symantic and realistic difference in being spiritual and being religious. I think most folks forget that. And, that's too bad. Its quite plain to see that religious wars are still not only possible, but given the right circumstances are still probable - in fact... they go on every day.

I, too, respect Christ. There is much wisdom in his words. But to be used as a weapon is abominable. Jesus is one of the greatest examples humanity could have had - no matter their religious persuasion. But... I am NOT a Christian....

I don't think it is fair of anyone to 'bash' anything... Christian or otherwise. None of us will KNOW the TRUTH until we are dead. If you want to pick and choose what you read in the Bible and forget things like "Judgement is MINE sayeth the Lord" then that's fine. But, to use words meant for teaching, healing and peace as a sword against someone you don't agree with is foolish at best and sacreligious at worst.

And, the comment about nobody bashing pagans? What planet do you live on??????

Do you realize that people all over the world are still put to death for being a 'witch?' Or is that what you secretly wish would happen again here? It has, you know.... as recently as a triple hanging AND burning in Texas in 1972. An entire family wiped out in the worst of ways because they were witches... Nobody really knows what their true religion was. What about HooDoo and VooDoo??? They use your Saints.... I don't... not often anyway....

When was the last time a Christian was killed in this country for practicing their beliefs???

-- Sue Diederich (willow666@rocketmail.com), April 04, 2001.


'When was the last time a Christian was killed in this country for practicing their beliefs???'

Well, I know I should just keep my mouth shut and let this pass, but I have to... What about Waco? As far as I could tell the main reason for killing all those women and children was because they were a CULT. And I've noticed a tendency to use the label of cult whenever it is something (religious)someone else doesn't agree with. I have seen most of my friends go to jail on account of their religious beliefs, and I am sure that Waco was not the first time that a bunch of religious fanatics were massacered by the gov't. It just happened to get some publicity. I didn't agree with the Davidian's beliefs, but certainly could not condone torching them all, especially the children.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), April 04, 2001.


Now I know why I became a Deist. As to this post or other religious and homestead posts. I use my God given reasoning and rationality to judge for myself whether I am interested in the subject matter or not and maybe to post a few answers or opinions, if not then i move on to other things. Although not a christian I am not offended by any christian posts here on this forum as long as they do not resort to the use of force to persuade me to follow them and in return I would expect the same from them towards any of my posts.

-- Tom (tjk@cac.net), April 04, 2001.

Relegions in their pure original form spread peace, good will and patience. The dogma's of many factions create insecurities leading to hostility, fear, greed, a desire to punish, and a "pack mentality" like inner city gangs. If its in the heart it is probobly a truth, if not.... it is susceptable to less desireable emotions.

-- Lynn (lynnannmb@hotmail.com), April 05, 2001.

You all got too much spare time..get out there and dig those gardens, start those seeds, order those seeds, mend those fences, clean those chicken houses, do something..anything but quit with the religion and politics..just give it a long break... please just save it for Sunday or whatever day you worship and take it to church or the synagogue or wherever.. no wonder so many leave here for a rest..

-- Lynn(MO) (mscratch1@semo.net), April 05, 2001.

Right on! This is the one subject sure to start a fight on this forum. Let's talk about kinder things.

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 05, 2001.

So what's the problem, if you don't like the subject don't read it. If the word "religious, religion, Christian or Christianity, etc. is in the title, skip over it. If everybody would do what Ken suggested and put category headings in the titles, it would make life easier for everyone, especially for those that don't like the subject.

-- Cindy (SE In) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), April 05, 2001.

Cindy, since when is christianity the only religion?

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 05, 2001.

Okay..isn't there religious forums where you can go and beat it to death to your hearts content without dragging it into a homesteading forum? You know..join in where you can talk non-stop religion and bash each other all day long if you want? Some of us truly like to talk gardening and homesteading without wearing a badge of Christianity to prove we are worthy.. and you are right about opening the questions containing this type of material(religious)..we can choose not to but you could also just begin a new thread titled "Religious Homesteading". Oh well, on with my life .

-- Lynn(MO) (mscratch1@semo.net), April 05, 2001.

To the people who are against christians talking about our faith on a homesteading forum, are you blasting the people who post jokes? What about the people who post on politics? I don't believe I've ever seen anyone on a joke thread say, "Hey, what are you doing?! This is a homesteading forum. You shouldn't be posting that here." But just let someone mention Jesus. Where is all of the tolerance everyone claims to have?

Judy posted this message to OTHER christians. We do congregate here. If you aren't a christian you shouldn't be offended, she wasn't talking to you.

Thank you brothers and sisters in Christ. You have lifted and inspired me on this forum.

-- Lena(NC) (breezex4@go.com), April 05, 2001.


Rebekah pointed out a very wise truth. I believe in unconditional love, as Jesus taught. We are to love and cherish others, not just others who believe exactly as we do. Did Jesus just love those who loved him? Or agreed with him? No. I don't have to agree with everyone's opinion, but I do have to love them, if I don't have love for others, I have nothing.

There is a bible study called 'The Mind of Christ', a workbook, daily lesson, 12 weeks. A person could do it 10 times and still come away with new knowledge about love. 'Experiencing God' is another excellent study, a fresh knowledge each time you do it.

Again, just because I do not jump in all the arguments and blast away does not mean I am a 'so-called Christian' or a wimp or not awake. And for the record, no one could lead a 'true believer' to the anti- christ. Those who know will understand all that is happening in our world. The word 'Jesus' did not start an argument, the words 'wake- up' and 'so-called' did. The thread was addressed to the Christians here. It just wouldn't be nice if I accused all of you of being 'so- called homesteaders', would it?

-- Cindy in Ky (solidrockranch@hotmail.com), April 06, 2001.


Ok if anyone wants to beleive it or not my origional intent was to let a new person know to put {religious} beside a post .I also wasn't sure if this post had something to do with another post .I am Christian and would never think of telling or insulting anyone elses religion .For the most part I do avoid these posts as it always starts trouble .I just cannot figure out why so many feel they need to post anti -any religion stuff.Please everyone try to refrain from posting to a topic you do not like.

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 06, 2001.

Patty, it not anti religious - it is anti christian. Only the christians are bigoted enough to think their way is the only way.

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 06, 2001.

Cindy in KY, thank you for trying to articulate the reason a lot of us "so-called" Christians were offended by this post. I think a lot of people reading it thought it was directed at non-christians but it was not. We, who believe in respect and tolerance for others, have been severly condemned for our position by the fundimentalist Christians on this board. In fact, we are being demonized on the Christian forum and this post was relative to that. You see folks, we are now the "so-called believers" who will lead you non-believers wrong and into the hands of satan. This post was the most disgraceful, none Christ-like writing I have ever seen on this forum. Who, Judy, gave you the right to judge, or any of the others here so willing to do it??? I am so sick of this crap I could scream. I don't think you would recognize Christ if he sat down next to you. Get a grip and go back to scripture.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), April 06, 2001.

Lynn , please don't throw every Christian into the manure pit .I do not believe my beliefs are any more important than yours .I respect everones beliefs , do I agree with all ? No .Do I respect them ? Yes .Some Christians do give us all a bad name .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), April 06, 2001.

Cindy, it didn't even occur to me what you were talking about. I felt anytime christianity was mentioned, people just started blasting. I do understand what you are saying, and appreciate the kind way in which you pointed it out. I apologize for any hard feelings my post might have caused. Diane, we all make mistakes. Maybe a little more tolerance and less judgment is in order from everyone. To say the poster wouldn't know Christ if he sat down beside her and to get back in her Bible, was judgmental and uncalled for.

-- Lena(NC) (breezex4@go.com), April 06, 2001.

You are right Lena, I totally lost my cool. I am sure that there are many sweeter and kinder ways that I could have made my point. I have allowed myself to get far to emotionally involved here. I became completed inflamed by the sentence "It will be the so called christians that lead true believers to the anti-christ to be beheaded" on one post, and what I believe to be an attack on my country on many other posts. I think I had better stay in my garden for a while. God's blessings to all

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), April 06, 2001.

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