I hate all spics,niggers and kikes, equally. Therefore I show no prdjudice. If you don't like this explination you cann all go fuck yourselves.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), May 01, 2000

Answers

You must be the dumbest son-of-a-bitch on the face of this earth, Mark.

Only a stupid-son-of-a-bitch would generalize whole groups of people. Why do you do that? Are you intimidated by them? It's well known that it's inferior people who have to cloak themselves in "superior" rhetoric and attitudes.

You must be awfully low down on the totem pole to be this racist.

I'm sorry you wallow in your status as a stupid, worthless, white man. Maybe if you and Ra opened up your hearts you'd both realize that we're all in the same boat.

It's called l-i-f-e.

-- (Top C@t at kitten .hdqs), May 01, 2000.

Tell us about yourself, Manny. Maybe we can help.

-- (lars@indy.net), May 01, 2000.

I still say Manny is a pimply-faced adolescent. If he's older than 18, then he's in a state of arrested development.

-- Klicker (klicker@kbds.rus), May 01, 2000.

Manny!

At the risk of sounding like some sort of censor, don't you think you'd be happier over at sleazy? White-wing nazi boys like yourself are generally more comfortable with like-minded folks...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), May 01, 2000.

My name is Manfred. I am a member of the American Nazi Party. We are the one true Race of god. All others are fodder.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), May 01, 2000.

Manny, you forgot to mention bad spellers.

-- Ra (through@the.rubble), May 01, 2000.

Manny, dear,

Do I detect a slight against auto-eroticists in your post?

-- flora (***@__._), May 01, 2000.

Manny,

Don't forget. Club Paradise on Friday night. Ask for Susie.

-- HighwayMan (hwm@club.paradise), May 01, 2000.

Manny, were you a momma's boy when you were supposedly growing up?

-- Dr. shrink (drshrink@shrink.asc), May 01, 2000.

Hitting the bong pretty hard again, Manny? Or was it the Olde English 800 this time? I mean, you're just filling in with mouth noises 'cuz you can't even remember all the words to the song.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), May 01, 2000.

Manny - It's the toothless alligator pit for you. Or maybe cleaning sidewalks and toilets with a toothbrush.

-- Da Judge (DJ@justice.4U), May 01, 2000.

Manny is really a fudge-packin' Homo.

-- ur (A@dip.stick), May 01, 2000.

God created all you people equal. The rest he created to be superior.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), May 01, 2000.

Manny,

Too bad you didn't make the grade.

-- Danny (danny@mannyis.f#$%&dup), May 01, 2000.

Manny,

Some troll is using your handle to make you look like a total reject. You should post to the thread and let people know this isn't you going for the dope of the day award.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 01, 2000.

Manny, I'm seriously starting to think you have a problem. (Seriously, I'm not trying to be snide here.) I can't help but wonder, do you hold the same opinion about white females? Are they inferior to white males? That's a serious question, I'm not trolling you. Also, I'm wondering, did Lady Logic break your heart somehow? If not, have you ever loved any woman? The kind of love that makes you forget that there's evil in the world, the kind of love that makes you know that you're good enough,just like you are, and so is everybody else?

-- (Carl Sagan @ the .18th hole, looking at a birdie.), May 01, 2000.

Oh please, the guy is nothing but a shock-jock. And you guys are eatin it up.

-- x (x@x.x), May 01, 2000.

-- (Top C@t at kitten .hdqs)

Is this you Laura? If not, congratulations on convincing at least one other person I'm this scumbag loser Manny.

If it is you, why are you using a fake handle? Isn't that trolling?

Your false accusations of me are are in the same league as the crap he posts about you.

-- Mark (cavscout@fix.net), May 01, 2000.

Mark, No, I'm not Luara, and I seriously doubt that I'm the only one here that knows you're Manny.

Why don't you quit changing the subject and answer the questions?

-- (Top C@t at kitten.hdqs), May 01, 2000.

-- (Top C@t at kitten.hdqs)

Gee, you almost fooled me with the handle, Laura. How are things down at the shelter?

-- Mark (cavscout@fix.net), May 01, 2000.

Mark,

Who do you think Manny really is? Ron Schwarz maybe? Who else might he be? Do you know when he first arrived on the scene here. I don't recall it myself.

-- Observer (observer@lotsto.observe), May 01, 2000.

It ain't Ron Schwartz. Ron Schwartz was right up there with Hawk when it came to dissing people. I recall David Bumpkin saying the same thing. It's Mark, alright.

-- (MSFT @ the .poor house), May 01, 2000.

I can't believe I tore myself away from Mr Polly, but this is important. Next time, why don't you e-mail me yourself that you're talking about me Mark, so that my friends don't have to be bothered.

Mark, I'm not Top C@t. Furthermore, I haven't had time to volunteer at the Humane Society for quite some time. May I suggest you find time and do it? It might make up for your thoughts last year.

Regarding whether I think you're racist or not. Hmmm, I don't know. I DO remember your personal ad last year, and the first time I read it it said "Wanted: White, Asian, or Mexican females." When I went back a month later, you had taken out Mexican. That in itself doesn't prove anything conclusively, but frankly, I suspect you might be. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Why don't you do us a favor and give us your thoughts on racism, Mark? That should put the whole issue to rest for us.

Ta Ta

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@....), May 02, 2000.

Observer-

I have no idea who Manny is, nor do I care, aside from the irritation that comes from having LL constantly accuse me of being him.

MSFT-

Dunno who you are, and but if you can produce anything racist I've posted, please do so.

Laura,

I have e-mailed you repeatedly to ask you to stop this. You don't reply. After all the dirty laundry you've hung on this board, you have quite a bit of gall to ask me to e-mail you, so your "friends" won't be bothered. Again, you're wrong, I never placed an ad saying "White, Mexican or Asian females wanted. (If I was SUCH a racist, why would I want a Mexican or Asian female?).

My thoughts on racism are that it's wrong, and shouldn't be tolerated. But why should you believe anything I say.....after all, I just have to be Manny, right?

-- Mark (cavscout@fix.net), May 02, 2000.

"...Oh Manny Boy, the crack pipes are calling, from den to den..."

-- Sally Hemmings (white tr@sh.itcom), May 02, 2000.

Brian said "hitting the bong too hard again?"

ROFLMAO....hey brian, maybe Manny needs a 'meeting'? tee hee.

LL,

Good to see you dear.

as always..

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 02, 2000.

Manny appears to be full of anger and frustration. This is likely due to lack of success with members of the opposite sex. It could be a physical problem that he has, but more likely is psychologically based. At any rate he is undoubtedly sexually frustrated. It is unclear as to whether or not his obsession with Lady Logic is due to actually knowing her or not, but it certainly isn't doing him any good. Manny, you either need to get some professional help, or try to help yourself through re-envisioning your life in a more positive framework. If you want love and positive attention, you must first give it yourself. If you wish to stay stuck in the negative, then a miserable life you will continue to have.

The thought that Manny may be an alternate persona of another more familiar poster is also an interesting possiblity. I doubt that he is an MPD case, though.

-- Dr. Shrink (drshrink@shrink.asc), May 02, 2000.

Oh please, the guy is nothing but a shock-jock. And you guys are eatin it up.

-- x (x@x.x), May 01, 2000.

Shock-punk perhaps, but shock-jock? No way. He's probably a bored, frustrated adolescent.

-- Afan (Afan@nomore.mannyplease), May 02, 2000.

"Regarding whether I think you're racist or not. Hmmm, I don't know. I DO remember your personal ad last year, and the first time I read it it said "Wanted: White, Asian, or Mexican females." When I went back a month later, you had taken out Mexican. That in itself doesn't prove anything conclusively, but frankly, I suspect you might be. If I'm wrong, I apologize."

Lady Logic, this is a rather thinly disguised attempt at character assassination. Your manipulative side is showing. Also, how is expressing a preferance for white, Asian or Hispanic females somehow racist? A person has a right to seek what they wish in their close personal relationships with the opposite sex. The term "racist" is too quickly invoked and too broadly applied. Manny is obviously a racist. I don't believe that someone who has changed their mind about what they want their personals ad necessarily is.

-- Bachelor (bachelor@loveya.ladies), May 02, 2000.

I'll make you a deal Laura. I hereby promise to harass you DAILY from now on, using only my real name. Does that make you happy?

Good.

-- MT (cavscout@fix.net), March 16, 2000.

I'd like to point out that it was during that post that you stopped signing you name "Mark Troth", and morphed into an anonymous troll.

Like I told Laura, I'll try and check in every day to keep her honest, so she'll know it's REALLY me being so mean to her.

Later....

-- (cavscout@fix.net), March 16, 2000.

You've said in other threads that you weren't trolling me, and I proved you did. I proved it with links before, and I'm not going to keep going back to look for them. You've lied about trolling me at DeBunker's, Biffy, and here. I tired of your bullshit, Mark.

It seems to me when you think I'm trolling you, you start screaming at me (understandable, most of us have done the same thing). The fact remains that you DID post that ad, and you and I both know it. Obviously, I can't prove it because you changed it last year. Furthermore, I have better things to do with my time than look through my files from six months ago to find the url for your ad (if it's still up).

Look, I don't know how many ways I can say "I apologize" if I've been wrong about you being a racist. However, I do think it's odd that this is the first time you've taken offense to me saying so. You didn't say a word when I complained about you calling David White a "blanket ass".

I think maybe all of you need to know that I DO think wholesale racism is wrong, because it's an illness that rots the very core of our society. Si, Verdad. I don't have time to go into further discussion about it, but if you truly are not a racist, Mark, you've been elevated a dozen notches in my book.

~*~

Hi Consumer! Gracias, mi amiga. I'd like to stay and talk, but I have some heavy shit going down in real life, so I can't hang around.

~*~

Bachelor, I'd love to talk to you about that, but I simply don't have the time right now. Hopefully you know that I'm not one to sidestep a legitimate conversation, but I just can't discuss it right now. Maybe I'll have some free time someday to discuss issues other than my trolls some day; who knows. Personally, I'd love to have that opportunity, but don't see it happening in the near future.

Auf Wiederschen for now!

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@...), May 02, 2000.

Cybe rstalked? Use Common Sense by Katie Dean

With the exception of children, no one may be more vulnerable on the Net than an excited newbie who posts a homepage filled with personal information.

"They don't realize that they are giving this ammunition to cyberstalkers," said Parry Aftab, executive director of Cyberangels, an Internet safety group.

Cyberangels is one of a handful of groups on the Web providing Internet users with information to avoid becoming cyberstalked, and what to do if they already are.

Besides keeping your personal information to yourself, the group suggests not responding to flaming, not flirting online with someone you don't know, choosing a genderless screen name, and leaving an online environment if it has become hostile.

That's good advice, agreed Jayne Hitchcock, president of Women Halting Online Abuse.

"People feel so anonymous that they don't think before pressing the enter key," Hitchcock said.

If a person is being harassed, she emphasizes that replying back to harassers -- beyond telling them to stop -- is usually a bad decision.

"Don't reply back to these people," she said. "You're feeding them."

Both Cyberangels and WHOA provide clear guidelines to follow if a person feels they are being harassed.

"People aren't reporting (cyberstalking) because they don't know that they can," Aftab said.

The groups advise first contacting the site administrator for the harasser's ISP, as most of them have strict policies on harassment.

If nothing changes, or the harassment gets worse, they are advised to call the police.

Linda Fairstein, chief of the sex crimes prosecution unit for the Manhattan district attorney, has seen hundreds of cyberstalking cases. She emphasized how important it is for a victim to save any correspondence from the harasser. If the local community does not respond, she recommends calling the state attorney general or the FBI.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office has put together the LoveMeNot website, which discusses stalking over the Internet. The site also provides phone numbers a person can call if they feel threatened.

Cyberangels has 4,000 volunteers, including several hundred law enforcement officers, who help respond to complaints and offer moral support to victims.

"The Internet is a wonderful tool but it can also be a really bad place," Hitchcock said.

-- (y@x.x), May 02, 2000.

The Epidemic of Cyberstalking by Katie Dean

Deborah has been stalked in a chat room for over six months, during which time detailed personal information and a doctored pornographic photograph with her likeness has been posted on a website. The cyberstalker has threatened to rape and kill her.

"He told people that I was on drugs, that I was looking for sex," said Deborah, not her real name. "He enlisted (his) Internet friends to harass me."

Frightening scenarios like this are increasingly common as more people use the Internet and blindly trust those they meet online.

And too often, untrained police officers do not address the situation as they should. Advocacy groups say that when victims report their situation to authorities, a frequent response is "turn off your computer."

"They are scared out of their mind and no one takes them seriously," said Parry Aftab, executive director of the Internet safety group Cyberangels. "The victim is victimized twice."

The first cyberstalking law went into effect just over a year ago in California, and Congress is considering a federal law. The Stalking Prevention and Victim Protection Act of 2000 passed in the House, and currently is pending in the Senate.

Cyberstalking is defined as repeated threats or harassing behavior over email, the Internet, or other electronic communications.

As with offline stalking, most perpetrators are men and most victims are women who have met them before. But cyberstalking can be carried out in places as close as the same room as the victim, or as far away as another state.

The technology, moreover, makes it easier for stalkers to harass their victims because they do not need to physically confront them.

There are no clear statistics on the number of cyberstalking victims, but an August 1999 report from the Department of Justice estimates that there could be hundreds of thousands affected, and the numbers are growing.

"The rate of cyberstalking has escalated enormously in the past few years with the spread of the Internet," said Linda Fairstein, chief of the sex crimes prosecution unit for the Manhattan district attorney. It "provides a new method of committing the same kind of crime."

The anonymity of the Internet -- with free email and anonymous remailers readily available -- also enables cyberstalkers to easily conceal their identities.

"The Internet is both anonymous and public," said San Francisco Police Lt. Lon Ramlan. "(People) need to take the common sense that they use in the physical world and use those sensibilities in cyberspace."

But because not all law enforcement officers are familiar with technology, not all departments are trained to effectively deal with the problem.

"It's really a new area for police," Fairstein said.

An "unevenness of response" exists based on how technologically sophisticated and well-funded law enforcement is, she said. Large cities are more likely to have a computer crimes unit, whereas smaller departments often are unable to specialize.

"They're not equipped to handle it right now," agreed Morgan Wright, a former Kansas state trooper and police detective who heads up the advanced training unit of the International Association of Computer Investigative Specialists in Virginia. "It's not that they don't want to, it's just that they haven't been trained."

"The fact that Congress is considering making it a federal crime and a felony is an indication of how serious the problem is and that we need a national solution to it," said Nancy Savitt, chief legal officer for Cyberangels. Savitt points out that fewer than half of the states currently have cyberstalking laws, and most offenders, if caught, face only a misdemeanor.

Victim advocacy groups are hoping that the bill in Congress will bring attention to an issue they deal with daily.

"We need to get the information out there. It's potentially going to be a very big problem if people don't learn about it, don't understand it, and don't know how to protect themselves," said Jayne Hitchcock, president of Women Halting Online Abuse.

Aftab estimates that Cyberangels receives 500 complaints of cyberstalking per day, 65 to 100 of which are legitimate cases. In addition to providing support and guidance to victims, Cyberangels and WHOA regularly contact ISPs to alert them about harassers. This will often halt the abuse, but there are cases like Deborah's that are more serious and require police involvement. These advocacy groups also talk to the police for the victims to alert them to the seriousness of the crime.

Deborah's case still is being investigated, but she is skeptical that anything is getting done.

"I feel like I'm being placated and not taken very seriously because it is happening on the Internet," she said. "I feel like a sitting duck in a shooting house."

-- (y@x.x), May 02, 2000.

Thanks, y. That's good advice. Fortunately, I made sure my phone number and address was not under my real name before I ever started posting. (So I hope no one worries about me.) Besides, even if someone does find out who we are, I think the chances of them actually taking the time to look someone up and doing something about it are minimal. Those internet stories are the extremes not the norm, and the fact is we are all more vulnerable to psychos we know in real life.

Buenos dias!

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@...), May 02, 2000.

LL,

I'll most likely be lurking around, so when you have the time and inclination just fire away.

Incidentally, I'd still like to know what you did to Mark that would make him want to spend a lot of time trying to get even with you.

I can only think of one woman that ever made me so angry that I felt like really getting even. However, after suitably reflecting on the whole thing, I just decided to let go of it and let her reap what she sows from the rest of the world.

-- Bachelor (bachelor@loveya.ladies), May 02, 2000.

Hey Y you stupid fucker!!!!!! What does this have to do with racism? I have met some dumb fucks in my life but I must say you are the dumbest one yet.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), May 02, 2000.

Manny go pop some zits.

-- Bored (bored@with.manny), May 02, 2000.

y, BTW, I HAVE had people threaten to kill me and rape me before the rollover. I'm still sitting here at my computer, and have only had a few threatening phone calls. As far as chat room harassment -- it's only cyberspace.

Bachelor, He could probably tell you much better than I could, but I think it's because I spammed and cussed at Bok's and because I e- mailed him before the rollover to tell him it wasn't going to be bad, and if he'd listen to me, he'd thank me in 2000. (Near as I can tell, he can't stand the fact that I was right, and he was wrong. He was even harassing cpr for a long time. If you're really interested, you can read him over at DeBunkers as ROTFLMAO (and he even admits it.) I have NEVER tried to rub this in his face, but he just can't get over it, and probably never will.)

I have to go! Hasta Luego!

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@...), May 02, 2000.

Lady Looney get your nigger loving skanky nasty ass off my thread.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), May 02, 2000.

Little Manny Fanny,

Why don't you go out on the playground and play kick-the-can with your buddies?

-- NoFan (nofan@of.manny), May 02, 2000.

Manny, You didn't make it to that "sensitivity training" class your company required, did you? I thought not. Too bad, the group hug would have surely softened you up .... ;)

And don't worry about the typo's and spelling errors, make them myself. I DO wish these forums had a BRAIN checker though....

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 02, 2000.

Manny,

Don't forget now, Club Paradise on Friday 05/05 around 10:30 PM. Be there! We can celebrate the Planetary Alignment. Ask for Sheila (right Pieter)?

-- HighywayMan (hm@toolin.down.the.hwy), May 03, 2000.