NTSB site for Flight 261 information

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You can go to www.NTSB.gov for the latest summary and graphs that show altitude and directional information on Flight 261. The summary is quite informative given the short time that has occurred since this happened. As a 32 year commercial pilot, my own opinion leads me to believe the final solution will point to the servomotors which control the stabilizer trim jackshaft. Unable to neutralize the trim after reaching partial or full nosedown pitch attitude, they attempted to deploy some degree of flaps for test purposes. With down stabilizer trim and up deflection of the elevators, they encountered a structural failure of part or all of the tail horizontal assembly. Excessive airspeed would have been the next contributive factor. A roll and steep pitch would than have been established resulting in total loss of control. That would be my guess as to what the finality of this whole accident will be.

-- John Thomas (cjseed@webtv.net), February 08, 2000


There was a lengthy debate on an earlier thread, between Cherri, snooze button and a number of other regulars (astonishing how many are evidently licensed av-mechanics or engineers) -- and the servo motor was fingered as the source-point for failure by all who suspect (after 4 MD-80's have forced landings in less than a week) that there may be an embedded system problem in the planes. Can someone link back to that thread?

-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), February 08, 2000.

The NTSB main job is to bury the truth about air crashes. Why would anyone want to read what they have to say

-- Paul R. Spooner (pspooner@ocis.net), February 08, 2000.

Amen, why do people accept the government's word on anything anymore? Especially after all the 'gates, and the Waco coverup, etc.

Isn't anyone interested in the FACT that the Navy was witnessed to be launching boat-to-air missiles at the location and at the time of the crash of Flight 261? Either it's incompetence, or was a disguised "hit" on the Indian tribal leader of a reservation that borders the Alaskan HAARP site, a site that is now in the process of expanding, but is running out of space. HAARP is one of the most potent weapons and environmental altering technologies that the U.S. possesses. It's a BIG DEAL program.

See www.sightings.com, and no, this is not just a UFO-nutcase web site.

I was sure the Internet conspiracy crowd would pounce on yet another 'mysterious' plane crash, but once again, I find they have a credible case for yet another conspiracy. Not to say I believe it, I'm not that gullible, but I am suspicious.

Planes do crash due to prosaic causes, but it's a pretty rare occurence, and prosaic plane crashes don't raise the kinds of questions and contradictions we've been seeing lately.

-- Ceemeister (ceemeister@hotmail.com), February 08, 2000.

You're right, they are nothing but a bunch of lying coverup experts, being paid by Boeing. They're already trying to say that the stabilizer fell off the plane so that no one will find out that the on-board computers are going bezerk.

Funny thing is it was on the news a few days ago that they had found the entire tail section and stabilizers, ALL INTACT. If there was a stabilizer missing at that time, wouldn't someone have said something, since that was the cause of the problem? They are totally lying.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 08, 2000.

Hawk they didn't say they found the whole vert. and stab. a few days ago and they certainly didn't find them intact. If you have news clips that support your statement I would certainly back your answer but until then, I will stick to my original theory. My affiliation and friendship with an ATP with thousands of hours in heavies solidifies my thoughts on this terrible tragedy. The date related embedded chip problem you keep looking for is not to be found in regards to this failure. I've had 11 pilot friends killed over the years and I've learned the reasons for most air disasters is pretty damn simple. Either machinery breaks or it's pilot error.

-- John Thomas (cjseed@webtv.net), February 08, 2000.

Sorry John, I distinctly remember hearing on the radio news that they were suprised how it was all still in one piece. They also mentioned a substantial portion of the fuselage that was in one large piece and not badly damged. They said they were thinking about bringing the tail section up, which is probably why they can now say that part of it has broken off. It is probably already locked up in a lab, where no one will ever know. If not, only classified people will be at the scene when it is brought up.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 08, 2000.

John, while I have no personal experiece or knowledge to offer, I have more than once, depended on the kindness and knowledge of the limited circle of experts I was afforded, in this life. Enough with the complex language, Two years ago, when I became wrapped round the axle with programming proclaims, I talked to an 80's Aircraft programmer. First they said "they weren't worried", I asked them to really think about it. (SYSOPS, you have seen this quote before). Then programmer slowly said "well, there might be a problem in the landing gear and the infrareds". This was their small area of expertise. I don't know anyone in the other arena's. They each had their small piece of the pie. Division of labor and knowledge.

-- Gary and Division (ofl@bor.com), February 08, 2000.


Another ringer of an analysis from pilot John Prukop.

NewsHawk. Inc. - - - - - - - - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FLT 261- THE MISSING TAIL, Re: AlaskaAir CEO (A Pilot): ADDITIONAL Factor Present In 261 Crash! Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:55:04 -0800 From: "CCW" Reply-To: "CCW" To:


NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw and sidekick field report Robert Haggar just announced the 'radar anomaly', suggesting a part or parts of the rear section of the aircraft departed from the MD-83 just seconds before the final plunge from 17,900 feet into the Pacific Ocean ... in a time span of 1-minute. The time frame alone suggests there was no tail. They symbolized the radar track to show that just as the jet plunged to the sea completely out of control, radar indicates another object or objects trailing behind the aircraft by some 4-miles. They explained how the aircraft in cruise flight at 31,000 feet suddenly dropped with a loud bang to near 24,000 feet, at which time the crew regained partial control ... then a second loud bang and uncontrolled dive into the sea killing all aboard. BUT what the media and NTSB have failed to tell us, is WHY a perfectly good airplane, in smooth, cruise flight conditions at 31,000 feet on a clear California afternoon, is SUDDENLY displaced 7,000 feet in an UNINITIATED DESCENT. Some THING INITIATED the events leading to the total destruction of this aircraft and its occupants, and it is our position that event was EXTERNAL to the aircraft.

The fuzzy image of Alaska FLT 261, which was shown by CNN and other media outlets, taken by a woman shooting pictures of the California sunset, was taken during the final plunge showing the aircraft was inverted on its back with a nose pitch down attitude of at least 80 degrees and spinning. As one of your recipients has pointed out after making a careful analysis of that fuzzy image, the airplane was MISSING ITS TAIL.

Isn't it interesting that the NTSB, the NAVY, and the FAA are ONLY NOW discovering the additional "blips" from the part or parts from FLT 261? Didn't they 'NOTICE' the radar returns as being a strange anomaly from the beginning? And didn't they just report yesterday of finding the tail with the Eskimo painted on it?

It would be pretty hard to use a 'checklist' for the stabilizer trim system ... if the TAIL was only hanging by a thread of metal after the first event that occurred at 31,000 feet, and then violently ripping away from the aircraft's fuselage at 17,900 feet.

The fact remains that UNTIL Alaska FLT 261 neared NAS Point Mugu, Restricted Area R-2519 and Warning Area W-289 ... everything was fine. And then BOOM.

/s/ John R. Prukop Airline Transport Pilot Legal Researcher Private Law Instructor

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." --Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (2 Cranch) 137 (1803)

CCW Coalition: Citizens For A Constitutional Washington John R. Prukop, Executive Director 11910-C Meridian Ave. E., #142 Puyallup, Washington 98373 e-mail: ccw@wolfenet.com

-- Ceemeister (ceemeister@hotmail.com), February 08, 2000.

John, Thanks for your post. Keep thoses tail feathers on. Very tragic accident

-- Bill (sticky@2sides.tape), February 10, 2000.

John, Thanks for your post. Very tragic accident

-- Bill (sticky@2sides.tape), February 10, 2000.

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