I found this forum after hearing Paula Gordon speak on CSPAN. This place is *GREAT!* I feel like I've found some kindred spirits here!

I will admit up front that I'm a survivalist. Years ago I realized that the government was selling us out to the Bilderbergers and the NWO conspiracy; I've been quietly building a compound in the northwest (sorry, can't say where[g]) for some time.

Y2k is going to cause MASSIVE problems. One of my best friends works for the CIA (he plans to join me in late December -- I've got his cabin prepped and ready!) and he tells me that Clinton isn't going to be IN WASHINGTON for the rollover! Clinton is scared to death and is running scared!

Here's the really wierd part. My friend in the CIA has confirmed some really far-out, "woo-woo" "Area 51" stuff to me, stuff that people speculate on all the time (David Icke, just to name one). He tells me that Clinton WANTED to stir up a stink about Y2K as early as 1993 BUT WAS TOLD NOT TO. Certain powerful people WANTED things to fall apart for their own purposes.

Here's the real problem: when Clinton declares martial law (from his safe hidey-hole, of course!), it's not gonna be Billy calling the shots ... that's all I can say about that!

My CIA buddy also says ... get this! ... that the original idea for all the failed "trigger dates" was planted by some important people just to suckerpunch sincere, but technically-unaware people like North and Hyatt. THEY WERE SUCKERED! Sure enough, it worked ... the Sheeple have been lured into thinking Y2K will be No Big Deal.

We've ALREADY been conquered. Get used to it. You can't place a time limit on "preps." Forget 6 months, forget a year or two years; you need to be self-sufficient. When the hard times come (and they're coming!), being in a remote area is your best defense. Be quiet. Don't draw attention to yourself.

The most important part is this: ANYONE WHO'S NOT WITH YOU IS AGAINST YOU.

One day, we'll prevail again! Believe it!

-- Germanus

-- Germanus (germanus@fakeemail.net), November 24, 1999

Answers

What's yer angle, bub?

-- (germanus@aworm.inus), November 24, 1999.

CLASS!!! Be nice, the lottery officials are out for the weekend.

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), November 24, 1999.

*Sigh*

Debatable post. Or not.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 24, 1999.

Hiya Diane!

Germanus, I swear you must be related to my buddy, he's right with you.

This is a Y2K forum, nor a NWO forum, regardless of the validity of the argument.

There is a third category, people who are innocents (non-combatants) who you supposedly are protecting. Slow on the judgment please sir, and do be very careful with your motivations.

Yes, you have the right-and the responsibility- to do the right thing. Remember you will stand in judgement before Almighty God for what you do to your fellow man.

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), November 24, 1999.

Diane:

I'd recommend leaving it up. Fascinating!

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), November 24, 1999.

Andy's gonna love this :)

-- (sonofdust@leave.it), November 24, 1999.

Damn it, Diane, this is what I was trying to say the other night about the Germans!! You let them come in here posting in their native tongue, they conspire, then they come up with this kind of stuff! Note how they can talk American just fine when it suits their purposes.

Germans, mark my word.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 24, 1999.

Germanus:

I'm not going down with the sheeple. They're on their own now...

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), November 24, 1999.

So that's the output of a hundred monkeys typing on typewriters for a hundred years! I always wondered what they'd write!

-- Jay Urban (jayho99@aol.com), November 24, 1999.

This doesn't sound wierd to me. Clinton signed PDD 1063? last may, which in the event of "cyberterrorism" and or other "emergency" transferred control of the country to the intelligence community.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/govdocs/980716.govdoc.pdd63.html

Clinton is a puppet. Just to quickly end any cry that "he's not", and that "we have a free country" and "there are 2 parties" bulls__t, let me point out that the FIRST thing Klingon did 1 month into his term was to JAM the GATT Agreement through Congress. FOUR PHONE BOOK-SIZE's huge. The same Agreement that Reagan and Bush had been working on the previous 8-9 years!! Why, would a Democrat RUSH to ramrod this through?? Please see through this veil.

Anyway, obviously the guys who pull the strings on King Klington we have him performing the role they choose, just like now.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), November 24, 1999.

Sorry we=will in last sentence.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), November 24, 1999.

"This must be Wednesday" said Germanus to himself, sinking low over his beer, "I never could get the hang of Wednesdays".

-- CD (not@here.com), November 24, 1999.

Diane, I'm not sure what you mean.

Gregg, you've got it! There are other clues like NAFTA, too. That's another Republican proposal that Clinton gladly pushed EVEN IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION FROM BIG LABOR. (Notice how they complained for a while ... and then shut up suddenly without explanation?)

You've got to understand that Y2K is a BIG part of it all. There has been talk off and on for decades about making software use 4 digit year dates. HERE'S THE KEY: THE MILITARY IS THE ONE WHO PREVENTED THIS!!!

It goes like this: suppose you're trying to sell computers and software. R&D is expensive. Programmers are expensive. It'd be nice to sell at least some of your stuff to the military. BUT ... they REQUIRE a two-digit date field! So what are you gonna do? Are you going to have two completely separate development teams working on different versions of the software? You tell me.

Why did the military do this KNOWING that 2000 wasn't that far away? You tell me.

I wish I could get my buddy to tell some stories here. He tells it like it is. When we change presidents, the bureaucrats don't go anywhere, so the same people are running things all the time. The directors and cabinet members and people like that are just being thrown a doggie treat; it's the bureaucrats who run everything.

So the question is, who are the bureaucrats listening to? Hmmmm?

The wildcard was the Republican Congress. That wasn't supposed to happen. The impeachment of Clinton (and near-removal from office!) wasn't supposed to happen. These kids weren't part of the Club -- then. But have you noticed how quiet they are lately?

Too little and too late. The collapse is coming. If you live anywhere near a large city, you're history. You're toast. You're sucker bait. GET OUT NOW. There isn't much time left.

You people are the REAL Americans. Hang on, ride it out, and we'll build a better world in the future!

-- Germanus

-- Germanus (germanus@fakeemail.net), November 25, 1999.

What a load of horse shit. "My CIA buddy". For crying out loud, if CIA agents can't keep their pie-holes shut knowing that their properly prepped buddy is a loose cannon with a keyboard and a blazing 56K modem dialed into AOL, then Y2K is the least of our worries.

-- Uncle Bob (UNCLB0B@Tminus36&counting.down), November 25, 1999.

I guess an infusion of new blood (or fresh meat as it were) will help us all keep focused and moving forward... At least he isn't writing in teal ink.

-- Nancy (wellsnl@hotmail.com), November 25, 1999.

Dontcha just hate it when ya get germs in yer anus? Appropriate name, dude/dudette.

The goofiness quotient for the week has been met, and it's only Thursday. Must be the holiday spirit...

-- counting down (the@days.now), November 25, 1999.

KOS don't fall for the oldest ploy in the book, the trust my I'm German. No can't be, beer drinking can't get you to conquer the world (was tested and failed) no it's none other than the French. We should have all recognized when they forced the Les McDonaldez.

Look at all the coffee shops, what do you see in the window, those darn croissants.

Wine all around.

-- squid (Itsdark@down.here), November 25, 1999.

I can see Klintoon as a puppet and fall guy. What he has been doing doesn't even make sense given corruption that is widely understood.

I've heard that the Catholic Church is really controlled by the Black Pope, a Jesuit that works behind the scenes. John Paul I was very likely murdered because he was brutally honest. That we might have a Black President in the CIA behind the scenes is entirely possible. Corruption can flourish under a veil of secrecy in a way that would be otherwise impossible.

-- Slobby Don (slobbydon@hotmail.com), November 25, 1999.

Uncle Bob,

These people are just folks. The idea of guys who wear black coats and shades and sneak around and play with supercomputers is in the movies not in real life. They have families and they talk sometimes to their close friends.

HE doesn't care because no one believes me anyway. RIGHT? Joe Sixpack doesn't believe it. Joe doesn't care about Y2K EITHER! HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT!!!! He CAN'T believe that "they" (whoever "they" are) would really let something that bad happen.

Likewise, you can't believe that there might be someone behind Clinton pulling the strings. OK fine. You're not the only one. (And it ain't the Chinese. They're on strings, too.)

I hear lots of things. Here's one that never made the papers: when the Russians shot down that Korean airliner while Reagan was president (I can't remember the flight number right now) the admiral in charge of the Pacific Fleet was sent toward Sakhalin Island. Those orders were then suddenly and mysteriously changed and overridden and he had to stand down. We did NOTHING except whine and moan and few weeks later, Yuri Andropov died of heart failure and the Soviets had a new leader.

Hmmmm.

Didn't the breakup of the Soviet Union seem a little too convenient to you? I mean, one day, they're the Big Bad Boogeyman and just a couple of years later, they're breaking up and Gerbychoke is over here writing books and doing Oprah. Didn't that seem a little ODD to you? It all happened mighty FAST, huh .......

But we're talking about Y2K here. Look: just get out of the cities NOW. If you don't want to read what I write fine. JUST GO, OK?

Just GO.

-- Germanus

-- Germanus (germanus@fakeemail.net), November 25, 1999.

Come on guys, we begged for this. Bragging about C-Span and all. Now it's here and you piss on it. But just one thing. Germanus is right about the military, they knew back in 79'. Carter and the Navy Dept wanted to work on it then, but CIA types loyal to Bush stopped it cold.

-- SilentRunning (CanYouHearMe@Calling.You), November 25, 1999.

I don't find it so hard to think that a CIA dude would tell sensitive stuff to his friend. My uncle was a colonel in the Army for a long time. He was a lawyer and he worked in the Pentagon. We'd go up to see him and my aunt and cousin in Arlington, and him and Dad would get drunk together and he'd tell Dad stuff that Dad would say later on he wished he hadn't heard. National security stuff. I never knew what it was because I wasn't but about 10 years old then.

Guess you folks haven't never read 4th Reich of the Rich by Des Griffin? He talks about the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission. There's sure bound to be something going on behind the scenes. Y2K has to figures into it all somehow. This stuff doesn't happen all by accident.

Don't know what's going to happen in January, but damn if those UN troops are getting in MY house. I've read all that stuff on here. Where there's smoke there's fire. And if I see a fire, I just make sure i got plenty of Fire-POWER. Just let em try.

Happy Thanksgiving.

-- Bubba Louie (quickdraw@magraw.com), November 25, 1999.

I don't recall "begging for this". I have prepped for significant disruptions, but I'm not "bugging outta town", nor can I. If it gets that bad, it's BOHICA time. I think it's safe to say few of us truly want things to "go Germanus", even if it would mean that we'd know that "our side" was right all along. No comfort there...

This whole mess is startin' to hurt my brain more and more...

-- counting down (the@days.now), November 25, 1999.

"At least he isn't writing in teal ink."

LOL LOL

-- (TrollPatrol@duh.com), November 25, 1999.

CountingDown, I didn't mean to imply we we were begging for Germanus's scenario of the disaster soon to come. We just wanted new blood in the forum and to know others points of view with the information they had. And we got it. Germanus- the Korean flight you mention happened in Sept of 1983, I believe. According to NIS it killed two birds with one stone. We got rid of a trouble making Senator on his way to find those damn facts, and we found out were the USSR was hiding those pesky SU-15's. Darn good thing the space shuttle was over head to track them. Triladeral Commision? That's a name I haven't heard in years. What are they calling themself these days?

-- SilentRunning (CanYouHearMe@Calling.you), November 25, 1999.

I have to agree with Germanus, in the main. I have said several times on this forum that if Y2K is NOT a 9 or a 10, you will REALIZE WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS, AT MOST, that we are all niggers (regardless of race) on the government plantation.

You don't need to tune into the esoteric conspiracy web sites for verification of this. All you have to do is to read the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Wall Street Journal, Time, Newsweek, etc. IF (big "if") you can read between the lines, with understanding, you will know that we ALREADY are niggers. Most of you just don't yet realize it, YET. ("None are so enslaved as those that believe themselves free.")

What are the essential attributes of a freeman (or free woman)? They include, but are not limited to: Security of their persons and possessions (peronal property, real estate, money..) from predation by the state. Freedom of movement. Freedom to contract (including consensual vices). Privacy. ... ALL these are ROUTINELY violated by governments at all levels, from the UN down to the town council.

I think Y2K will be maybe 5 to 7. Not a 9 or 10 meltdown that would take government with it. Not a 1 to 3 BITR that would mean it would take another 5 or so years for government to consolidated its power and do away with the charade of being governed by the Constitution. But a 5 to 7 mess that creates much pain and havoc that the sheeple bleat to be saved by the still intact government, and so the government wraps everything up in 6 months to a couple of years at most.

The government "strategy" seems most suited to facilitating a 5 to 7 scenario.

This is why I often root for a 9 or a 10. Time to thin the herd (flock), and hopefully take the shepherd, also.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 25, 1999.

Someone told me this place had been "infested" with survivalists. Now I know for sure. What a load of horse hooey.

-- Ding (not@telling.you), November 25, 1999.

What is so facinating to me is the number of people who seem to be unable to grasp the idea that a member of 'Christians In Action' could be passing information to a friend. Why not? Germanus seems to be legit enough, enough so that I could easily believe what his buddy told him. After all, I post information secondhand regularly from my .mil connections worldwide. It's a rare day that I get accused of trolling. People see the acronym 'CIA' and immeadiatly discount anything that the poster has to say. Now if Germanus is strictly speaking, a troll or a shill, here to bait us, well then, he accomplished his mission, and I hope he enjoys his 30 pieces of silver. But on the other hand, one cannot overlook a potential source, albeit however questionalable, of intel. The intel on this board, when peiced together, forms a broad-spectrum analysis of so many diversified people both nationally and worldwide, that I wouldn't be surprised if we are monitored at a much closer level by the boys in the "Puzzle Palace" or at Langley.

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasan@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

At least God is not at the end of anybody's string (or chains).

But the Military is not compliant either. JOPES dopes, just too odd. Where does the stooooopidity drop off and the evil begin? Or do they just meld on the horizon?

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 25, 1999.

"Likewise, you can't believe that there might be someone behind Clinton pulling the strings. OK fine. You're not the only one"

In christopher Hitchens Book: No one left to lie to!

He (Hitchens) says that after the Impeachment debacle, Clinton was Called to a military base and was told by the Military leaders that he was no longer acceptable as commander in chief since the rules used for Service men and women would be enforced.

The above paragraph is a butchering of the books quotes, but It was a shock to me that the military actual sat down with the commander in chief and made these comments.

-- d----- (dciinc@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

Klinton's plan is simple. He will turn out the power in NYC when the ball drops. Then declare martial law to stop the riots. Special UN troops will spread across the country burning and looting in each time zone as the hour passes and the lights are turned off. By Saturday noon, it will all be over.

Better be ready for the resistance movement.

-- NOWAY TOO MANY SPIES (AIN"TNOWAY@TODAY.COM), November 25, 1999.

According to Vanity Fair, in 1967 the Bureau of Standards was ordered by the White House to settle the squabbling between various agencies concerning the two digit vs four digit date fields.After gathering input from various experts and agencies, the Bureau decided on two digits at the insistence of DOD! And since we're letting our paranoia run wild, my two cents worth: A few years ago I was in the Navy. While on a Naval exercise I, by chance, happened to listen upon an incredible conversation. The speaker was a Captain in the Naval Reserves who in civilian life was a physicist at the Laurence Livermore weapons labs. He was explaining to a group of shocked junior officers the physics of interstellar space travel.He was saying that the concept of linear travel across space using a rocket and massive amounts of fuel is impracticle.I remember him saying that there were five major hurdles to be overcome for intestellar travel; that "we" had solved four and were close on the 5th.I remember him taking a piece of paper and marking a dot on the top and one on the bottom to represent two points in space. A line drawn between the two represented linear travel; too time and fuel consuming he said.He then folded the paper so that one dot was exactly on top of the other.This represented the warping of space and time in which a space craft generating a massive amount of power, would aim and focus that power on a destination across the galaxy and draw that destination to it!!!He said that to generate such immense power required an element so high on the periodic table as to be unavailable on earth! Now, I was a simple senior petty officer and this conversation took place in the early nineties.I know it's hard to believe and if I hadn't heard it myself I wouldn't believe it either! It gets stranger:He said that Area 51, woo woo, does, in fact exist, That the Roswell crash did, in fact, occur and that "we" had been "back engineering" and actually flying these vehicles for some time.They are called HPACs, Human Piloted Alien Craft! The stealth is 30+ year old technology. Some years ago, once a week, always on the same day at the same time, a roar was heard, coming from overhead, in the LA area. It was so loud that it rattled windows and registered on the Cal Tech seismographs. It was Aurora, a very high flying mach 10+ capable jet, coming in from over the Pacific to land at Area 51.He said more but I don't remember it all. On the contention that Clinton has been told by the military that he's not fit to be Commander in Chief: I heard that the "accidental" bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was done to send a message to the Chinese, ( and the world), to wit; "You may be supplying Milosovich with intel and aid, You may think you've bought off our pervert in chief like some cheap banana republic dictator and you've may have stole secrets from Los Alamos, but we know about your ties to Milosovich, Clinton doesn't run the show,and what you got from Los Alamos was old news." We're going to humiliate you in front of the world and we don't think you can do anything about it!" The Chinese lost much face in the embassy bombing and all they could do was rattle sabers against Taiwan and trash a McDonalds in downtown Shanghai.

-- Ralph Kramden (and@awaywego.com), November 25, 1999.

Wwhhhhhhoooooooaaaaaaaa. Think I'll read 1st post and one just above to the fam at the turkey table. No boring Thanksgiving this year!

-- liven it up (a@day.to.remember), November 25, 1999.

I'm sorry for your family...

Happy Thanksgiving!

-- interstellar ST (isimpossible@fantacy.scifi), November 25, 1999.

Everything you know is wrong!But you'll all find out soon enough! Even CIA agents get drunk and sound off once in a while!

-- reptilicus Illumanotus (20storiesdown@archuletta mesa.org), November 25, 1999.

Some interesting new blood showing up here, but now you sign off as "somewhere below Archuleta Mesa", right up in Yourdon's back yard, what's the deal?

Thats been my honey hole for elk, deer and antelope for the last 20 years and I don't need you passing it around to all these lurkers.

I'm just glad that Reptilicuses stay down in the mud (or under the bridges).

(P.S. Ed, when you get to know all your neighbors, talk one of 'em into trailering up the horses and taking you over to Archuleta mesa (up above Tres Piedras) for a day ride.)

-- Roger (pecosrogX@earthlink.net), November 25, 1999.

Ralph,

I remember him taking a piece of paper and marking a dot on the top and one on the bottom to represent two points in space. A line drawn between the two represented linear travel; too time and fuel consuming he said.He then folded the paper so that one dot was exactly on top of the other.

Are you sure you're not remembering that from the movie "Event Horizon"? That's the *exact same* example they used to describe space travel...

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), November 26, 1999.

Sheesh. What a dork.

-- Liz Pavek (lizpavek@hotmail.com), November 26, 1999.

I've never seen "Event Horizon' but will now rent it. And yes, the conversation did in fact take place, believe it or not!

-- Ralph Kramden (and@awaywego.com), November 26, 1999.

Germanus,

Korean Airlines story...a different angle!

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-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), November 26, 1999.

Germanus,

Correct Link:

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-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), November 26, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

I've seen that paper and dots demonstration before, too, and never saw Event Horizon. Was it in Contact, perhaps?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 26, 1999.