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-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), November 18, 1999

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Don't Let The Facts Get In The Way

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), November 18, 1999.

read it and weep.....humans are truly insane. Maybe the earth will do better the next time around...

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.com), November 18, 1999.

BB....I have run the scenario through my mind a thousand times of a Surprise Russian ICBM and biological attack in late December. If it indeed does occur the situation is hopeless. We're talking infomagic times 5. Surprisingly I have reached the conclusion that it does absolutely no good to try to alert people to the danger unless those people concerned have the power to alter the course of events. The vast majority of American citizens are absolutely helpless in the face of such a threat and no amount of preparation is going to add even a smidgeon of a chance that they will not be caught up in events as they unfold. A lot of people use the old logic that the Russians will not destroy this country because it is the bread basket of the world. I believe that is crap. If the Russians decide to attack this country they are going to turn it into a radioactive dust bowl. I long ago reached the conclusion that our European allies would turncoat on us when the missiles started flying as to do otherwise would be suicidal. A joint Russian -Chinese attack could in one hour destroy the U.S. utterly and over run Western Europe and the African Oil fields in a matter of days. Both the industrial base and agricultural rescources of our allies would be taken in relatively undamaged condition. This is and always has been the main threat posed by Y2k. A successful murder requires motive, opportunity, and a plausible alibi. They have had the motive for years, Y2k provides the opportunity and the alibi. Why has the American gov. taken the course of misleading the public and world at large on the potential impact of Y2k here on our soil? Because it constitutes one of two defensive plans against the attack. The other is to launch on Russia first, which is completely out of the question unless you are willing to take over the entire planet, which doesn't bother the Russians and Chinese in the least.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 18, 1999.

O.K., Nikoli. Obviously you are alert to these impending dangers.

What do you suggest?

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 18, 1999.

Nik,

Thanks for your fine reply. I agree that if Russia is planning an attack it will be late December. Joel Skousen and Christopher Story, (Soviet Analyst) strongly disagree on this window and point to 2003-2007. I disagree with their timing because of y2k and because there is a turnaround in congress to build our defenses due to N. Korea, China etc. I hope and pray we are all wrong as you do I'm sure.

A couple of notes:

I continue to warn because I'm bound to blow the trumpet of warning commanded in Ezk. 33:6-9. Yes, it will do little good, but neither did the prophets have much success either. I am certainly not a prophet, but if it helps one it will be worth the abuse. And you never know who is reading this forum.

Secondly, Nyquist estimates that 60-80 million Americans will survive even a worst case attack. Yes that means 200 million died, but IF I'm one of those 80 million, I want to be prepared to help the survivors and not sit around waiting for someone to help me. While I'm not in the best place, I am near a 12" block concrete shelter and plenty of supplies. If I'm around I have no choice but to lead and help others pick up the pieces and form a small community.

I agree totally that the Russians could care less about our bread basket. They will have one in an unattacked Europe blackmailed into surrender.

The only defense would be a first strike, but that is out of the realm. The only other hope is in God. See Isaiah 37:20-38 for a surprise ending to a cruel and ruthless nation of long ago, Assyria. All my eggs are in this basket. When you look at the context though, God allowed Assyria to wipe out the ten tribes. Only the prayer of King Hezekiah saved the remaining two tribes in the way described in the above passage. Will America go the way of the ten or the two...that is the question. I know I am praying the way of the two.

Y2k is definitely the trigger for a planned late December attack.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), November 18, 1999.

Tom, what do I suggest? Nothing. What is there to be done at this late point in time? Either they will nuke us or they won't. The entire population of this country can't just evacuate the cities or move away from military targets. Obviously the government has choosen to follow a path of concilliation rather than deterrence and it is too late to change paths now. If we suddenly started scrambling our Tridents to sea and elevated our defcon levels all that would be accomplished is to move the potential strike date from Late December to immediate. If you have prepped for Y2K you are in about as good a shape as you can be at this point in time. Either you will survive a first strike or you won't. If you do survive you will wish you hadn't in pretty short order. An all out nuclear strike followed up by Biological weapons and secondary strikes is not going to leave anything salvageable of modern society and I would estimate 90% of the American population would die in the first two months. Within six months that would be 99%. What do you suggest?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 18, 1999.

Sorry kids, have to disagree with you. MAD (mutually assured destruction) policy is still alive and well. USA will have enough time and missiles (despite Klintoon) to launch a counterstrike to assure that the only winners in this war will be some African tribes. Although China could benefit from this scenario if they will want to use radioactive desert once called Russia. If you want to see a possible scenario for a war why don't you check my post at

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001nWz

Some time ago I read an article with similar musings in Russian periodical Ogonyok . In fact I even sent the link to that article to Mr. Nyquist and he replied to me that he found that piece interesting.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 18, 1999.

BB, I can't fault you for what you are doing, I did the same thing here for a long time. I guess I have just become fatalistic over time as the situation has developed. Once you realize that the Russians and Chinese will not attempt to occupy this nation due to the impossibility of controlling millions of armed survivors, and the idiocy of leaving those same millions of survivors unoccupied to rebuild and strike back, the obvious answer is that they will attempt to totally anhilate our population. They have the technology to do it, and history shows that governments are merciless when the gloves come off. Especially Communist or Socialist governments. If I had available a time machine I would without a qualm of conscience shoot in the head every person who worked on the development of atomic weapons.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 18, 1999.

Sorry, Broklyn, but because of clinton's shutting down the missle sites, if they launch a first strike aginst us, we would be unable to respond in time... and don't forget that Klintoon is an enemy agent, if he says we don't fire back then WE DON'T FIRE BACK!! This is what the Red Chineese paid him for...

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), November 18, 1999.

Russia to nuke the US? Come on folks. World affairs are a little more complicated than that.

-- a (a@a.a), November 18, 1999.

Crono

I do agree with you 1000000% that Klintoon sold out to Chinese, but I do not recall any reports that USA does not have a single (or for that matter -- a couple of hundred) missiles.

P.S. I still want to get an answer to the question what the f..k Klintoon was doing in Moscow in 1969.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 18, 1999.

Get your head out of the sand, "a". Try reading the articles mentioned above for one thing. You're starting to sound like a polly.

-- (brett@miklos.org), November 18, 1999.

I dunno...maybe I've missed something, but everytime I read one of these "the Russians are coming" threads, it's always Nyquist, Nyquist, Nyquist.

C'mon. An issue this big certainly must have some corroboration. Other links, please?

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), November 18, 1999.

Bok,

It's just that Nyquist is putting it all together and is easily accessible. Your request is a fair one and mandatory. So I offer you the following:

First, Nyquist himself in an article a week or so ago said he gets the same request for corraboration. He strongly urges anyone sincerely looking for answers to read Peter Pry's book. He was a CIA agent assigned to Russia. Douglas' book, "The Red Cocaine" which unveils the mafia connection and Russia's plan to run the underworld. And finally, Lee's book on the ABM treaty which details how Russia has broken it and what they are up to.

For newsletters I would recommend Dispatches through worldnetdaily and "Soviet Analyst" by Chris Story an Englishman who clearly reveals Russian motives and plans.

Online there is an audio you can listen to in Art Bells archives: Joel Skousen with Art Bell found on August 10th, 1998. Joel also has a website and newsletter. Joel

There is also stratfor.com : csis.com : Janes Defense weekly : and Frank Gaffney's Security Center for Policy control. Look also on North's site under the Military category for y2k related issues. There are also the defectors like Stan Lunisev's "Through the Eyes of the Enemy".

But for the cream of it all and for bringing it all together there is none better in my opinion than Nyquist. He is readable, logical, bright, articulate and IMO after emailing a humble honest man.

As a Christian I also have my ear to the Christian prophets in the world who are in agreement that woes and troubles are coming to America.

Read it and weep.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), November 18, 1999.

Don't forget Chris Ruddy's series archived in Newsmax!

Nikoli, it may not be as you think. Although there are many patriots still, most of America is complacent and controllable (Y2K point in fact). Our society is surely monitored for these factors. The problem for the patriots is that it would be difficult to find each other and work together in such sudden chaos. Even then, there would the various dynamics to factor into whether they would be very effective in resistance, such as whether they have any understanding of or expertise in military matters, and the difficulty and time it takes to establish leadership and cohesiveness.

If I were the attacker, I may try to salvage certain areas. Especially if I had a leader in place who would be cooperative. It would not take mass destruction to demoralize and control America. Just a certain amount of destruction, well placed and well timed, keeping in mind that one prong of their plan is to assasinate key people ahead of time (people that would create problems for a sympathetic leader?). Also, I have thought that to release too many bombs could create environmental and health problems for other countries, including their own.

Whatcha think?

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), November 18, 1999.

Also, after reading Cresson Kearney's material, I think it would behoove Americans to prepare even rudimentary shelters and acquire potassium iodide/iodate. Combined with your stored food and water (lots of it), many may fare better than you think.

Mothers fight for hope and life.

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), November 18, 1999.

Mumsie, you may be right. Hopefully there won't be any attack at all, and the worst we'll have to deal with is rising unemployment and gasoline shortages.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 18, 1999.

Nikoli, my feeling is that we will be attacked. I have hopes that more than 1% will survive. :) Where there is life, there is hope. I do wish more people would get KI and prepare for some kind of sheltering, even sandbags for their basements etc. Also, just general education. I learned that children must be carried, because their vital organs would be too close to the radiation on the ground. Little things that can make a difference. BTW, I enjoy and appreciate your posts!

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), November 18, 1999.

Thursday November 18 1:56 PM ET

Euro Deputies Warn Y2K Could Cause Atomic Disaster

STRASBOURG (Reuters) - The European Parliament voted Thursday to ask countries to shut down their nuclear weapon alert systems over New Year to avoid accidental launches caused by the millennium bug computer problem.

Deputies said they would appeal to the United States and Russia in particular to guard against possible errors in computer systems that cannot recognize the date change to 2000.

U.S. and Russian military officials are due to spend New Year's Eve together in a special command center designed to avoid accidents caused by the millennium bug.

The parliament voted to ask countries with nuclear power stations to shut them down over New Year's Eve unless they had been shown to be millennium compliant.

Deputies said their appeal would be aimed specifically at countries in central and Eastern Europe, Turkey, Russia and members of the former Soviet Union.

-- paranoid people (ignore@the.facts), November 18, 1999.

You guys are loosing contact with reality. The problem is not Russia unleashing nuclear war. The problem is preventing society from unraveling from the economic impact of y2k.

I have read the material in question, and my opinion is the same as before. We are seeing the start of another cold war. This is plainly a jockeying for position in the new world government that will take shape in the next decade.

If you people need something to wory about, worry about what happens to the US if 10, 20, or 30% of the essential personnel in our military and other critical sectors cannot or will not report for duty because of severe y2k problems.

Besides that, if we get nuked, we're all dead meat anyway, so your worries are over.

-- a (a@a.a), November 18, 1999.

The proposed scenario is truly frightening. However, I feel that the risk of an accidental nuclear war is higher than of the Russians deciding to launch a preemptive strike. For more information, search for General Lee Butler and read his reports about the current nuclear threat. Mr. Butler was in charge of final development and approval of the US SIOP (single integrated operational plan). Also check out the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Both US and Russians maintain a launch-on-warning stance. Both are paranoid. In 1983 apparently we came very close to thermonuclear war. I was told this at the time when I was dating a guy who worked for the Alternative Military Command Center, or Site "R". I thought the guy was just trying to scare me. Later,reports were made that in Nov. 83 the US was running a full "war game" exercise in Europe. The Soviets interpreted this as the US planning a first strike. They seriously considered striking first....Also in 1995, the Russians interpreted a missile being sent up from Norway (a weather monitoring missile). Their leader actually took out the "nuclear football"....They were several minutes from ordering a retaliatory strike when the Norwegian missile fell harmlessly into the sea...........

-- J (lovehim@love.com), November 18, 1999.

Have to agree with Bokonon on this one, Nyquist is the only one saying they will start a war, and his hypothesis is full of holes. When you look for the motive, means, and opportunity to start a nuclear war, he is only marginally convincing on one out of the three, the means. But trying to say that 1 + 0 + 0 = 3 is quite a stretch, especially when you are talking about nuclear war.. The United States also has the means to destroy the World, but that doesn't mean we would do it.

I wonder if the CIA has ever done a serious interrogation of Nyquist. If they are aware of him they are probably concerned that he could be an operative for the Russians. He could be using this propaganda to undermine the solidarity of our country and incite dissension within the military. Does anyone know if Nyquist actually lives on American soil, or is he working from outside our country? Is his biography posted anywhere on the web?

-- Uncle Sam (is@watching.now), November 18, 1999.

Uncle S,

I scarce know where to begin. Try the links I posted for Bokonon. The worldnetdaily site has bio info. Nyquist is a solid citizen who lives in N. Cal.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), November 18, 1999.

.....Another vote for Bok. I've posted before that the entire cold war was a farce. The Soviet Union would never have existed if we hadn't provided the funding. They will not bite the hand that feeds them. If you want to worry about anybody, they are much closer to home. (Hint: DeeCee).

Brooklyn...

.....You know as well as I do what old Billy Jeff was doing over ther. Networking with his future, (read: modernday), handlers. If those of you that mock when I say that he was, is and will be a communist, then you simply don't understand what a "communist" is. Have we not stopped living in town, burgh, burroughs, etc. and now all live in "communities" - (communisties). Why do we still honor Soviet treaties when the USSR is no longer in existence? Why do we send them one thin dime? Let the red bastards starve, says I.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 18, 1999.