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Some may already be aware of the state of many farmers and ranchers. It is usual for them to be carrying high debt on inventory and equipment-their "normal" way of operating. Now add to this what is coming "down-the-pike" (my eastern roots:) This lead story (and I hope, link) from Capital Press November 5, 1999 >http://www.capitalpress.com< (Sorry-I'm pretty new at this) You'll have to find the Nov. 5th edition yourself. The classifieds there may also be of help to someone looking for supplies/land etc..

On another subject; Where is the worlds biggest graveyard?

In Coos Bay Oregon, the Army Corps of Engineers is widening the ports channel (you can find this one too-sorry no link). The ex-marine I spoke to and who operates a drege as his job told me it is "so that vessels will be able to turn around in the channel." There has been a kind of boom in the economy there. Just there. -Major expansion of the local hospital. -Coast Guard (local? don't know) headquarters has moved there. -Lots of construction and hiring.

There is much more from this area. Just little tidbits that no one seems to really pay attention to. When I add it all up though, it is quite sobering. I'm not convinced that living in the countryside will be any more desireable than it will be in the city.

Does anyone have a list of basic items-nesessary items-for an extremely underbudgeted group of 4 to purchase? I have been advised by a very good "counselor" that it is very desireable to pay off your debts pre-y2k (hence the farm story).

Sure... just pay off your debts, buy supplies for 4 for __ years &&

Get your "stuff" now. Thanks to Greg from Corys site and all those sincerely helping others.

?Do I sign here?

-- all uhlone (very_fy@yahoo.com), November 13, 1999

Answers

check out the preps board also hosted by grreenspun's server. Also- check out stan's 14 days of preps stuff. Go into the archives at the bottom- search under food and stuff. Lot's of good info there. Also- Brian has put together a good archive- find that one as well. Rotsa ruck!!Lots of info on this has been posted- lists of the basics to have.

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.com), November 13, 1999.

If you have the money to pay off debt, then pay it off. If not, buy supplies and don't worry about the debt. Use every bit of money you can get your hands on for supplies and a safety cushion. As far living in the country goes, I'd rather live here than in the city any day. Time is running out, it's too late for many to prepare adequately. Basics needs, water, food, shelter, warm clothing. Hit discount food outlet stores for the cheapest way to prepare.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), November 13, 1999.

Farmer & bard... Thanks so much! I found this link and hope you don't mind if I repost it here for others just in case. >http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0010R5<

-- all uhlone (very_fy@yahoo.com), November 13, 1999.

Here are links for all the CAPITAL PRESS farming-in-crisis stories for November 5th and November 12th. Which story were you referring to speciifically?

Small farms at disadvantage in wheat industry, study shows - November 5, 1999

Northwest grain farms struggle to stay afloat - November 5, 1999

Wash. grower on the cutting edge of tillage technology -
November 5, 1999

'To survive, we have to produce at a lower cost' - November 5, 1999

Fourth-generation farmer enjoys success with direct seeding -
November 5, 1999

How U.S. wheat exports stack up internationally - November 5, 1999

Potato industry struggles to climb out of cellar - November 12, 1999

Farmers find alternative uses for their spud cellars - November 12, 1999

Growers deal with high costs and low returns - November 12, 1999



-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 13, 1999.

Those links must have been sabotaged by a Polly :).

Try this master link instead....

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 13, 1999.



---if I had to make a choice, prepps to keep me and the family alive would have to come first. Not telling you to not pay your debts, just advising on staying alive. Not sure if i could stare any kid of mine in the face and tell him or her that sorry, we don't have any food, but look, daddy paid of the visa or whatever. I don't think that would work at all......

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 13, 1999.

All uhlone,

I am a single mom, no child support, started a business it lost money so got a job, lost job then found another job, company had money trouble so I was cut back to two days per week, well pump went out so had to hand draw water everyday for over a month doing everything the old way etc.. Tell me about survival :-) Unless there are problems with nukes or chemicals I can not see how I will have it any harder. May be a different kind of hard but not any more difficult. Sure supply lines may be cut, power may be cut but if left alone with no nukes, no chemical or bio problems and the officials keep the streets safe then I will find a way to survive hummm that is what I really do for a living I guess.

However, just to hedge my bets last year when my mother died and left me a small inhertiance I bought manual tools, non hybrid seeds (a good mixture), grain for us and some for chickens that I also bought. I am fortunate that I live in an over 100 year old house that has a well. I had bought canned goods and dehydrated items but had to use them for this years survival disaster plan :-). As you can see all disasters are not in Y2K for everyone.

I would suggest that you use any available money to get grain, wheat, rye, corn is what I chose. You do not need to buy a expensive grinder though that would be nice. Two clean rocks will do the job you know :-)

I would also suggest get shortening, you will need the fats and it helps make the bread better. I would suggest dry beans; I have found the least expensive to be great northern in my area. I also would get white rice.

Get some herbs they are a life saver to make the food taste different so that yet another day you can eat beans. After a couple of days it gets to where you do not want to even eat. At one point in our survival I would sprinkle herbs and cheese on the beans to we could get them down. They say if you are truly hungery you WILL eat anything. We have been hungry but the beans were still hard to eat, your throat does a reflex thing-- know what I mean :-)

I have my own site and posted a question recently on what are good protein sources as I think protein is very important for children and adults too. Think peanut butter, DAK hams (runs about $3.00 in my area, Eckerds drugs stores sells them), think canned milk as one responded, think tuna fish very easy to prepare no need to cook, think parmasean cheese no need to refrigerate until open and if cool in your area most likely one room will stay ref. temp :-)

Get plenty of quilts or coverlets they are very warm. I would get at least three buckets to use for many purposes. Carrying and storing water, washing clothes, washing dishes, carrying veg. from the garden etc. Three are needed four is better. There may not be water hoses to get water to fill the containers many have for water but you can dip water with buckets or catch water from the roof top. Run the caught water through about 10 feet of sand, or three feet- three times if you do not have a container 10 feet deep :-) and boil if you think it may contain harmful bacteria.

I personally am afraid of the dark :-( yeah dumb for an adult woman but tis so. I got the packages of candle wax at the groc. store and will melt it and put wicks in it as needed, have been saving tuna cans and Dole pineapple (short) cans to use for containers this is much cheaper than the candles sold in stores. I recommend a light source for mental sanity sake. I think it is almost important as food.

Buy a book on wild foods. I have been into that for over twenty years and you will be surprised how much around you you can eat.

I recommend vitimans if you can to make sure you can the daily needed. It will help maintain your health in hard times.

If the big shots keep the world intact from bio, nuke, riots etc then you CAN survive. Mankind has done it since the beginning of time. You many not live the same LIFESTYLE but you WILL survive to be able to one day again build a good lifestyle.

sincerely,

obo

P.S. :-) If you would like to visit us we are a free speech forum not Y2K but most of the people there are preparing for Y2K and are a valuable source of information and support.

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/goto?forumid=20352



-- Onebyone (susanwater@excite.com), November 13, 1999.


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