I just stumbled across this today. Can someone explain why the United States Air Force are spraying our people with this stuff?

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POISEN PLANE?

-- Paranoid (ISIT@SYSTEMATIC.weedingofthepeople), November 08, 1999

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PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

-- No (troll@chow.here), November 08, 1999.

Check out the "CHEMTRAILS?" thread, below.

DO follow the link to the "thomas interview" on real audio. It is excellent!

-- Dr. Polymorph (youknowmore@thanIdo.com), November 08, 1999.


Ok..I am a college educated business owner and family man...very much an average joe in all respects.

The ONLY reason I had heard about these "chemtrails" was due to an event I witnessed first hand in my city.

Traveling back from business via my car last August I was approaching Kansas City from the south. It was a beautiful clear day, no haze about 2:00 in the afternoon. I looked up into the sky and my jaw hit the floor. There, up in the sky were two jets flying much lower then the normal traffic that is over the city. They were leaving what looked like normal contrails...except they were putting them in a clearly defined "grid" over the whole city! I looked just like a checkerboard pattern, nicely spaced contrails running N to S and E to W. I have lived here all my life and I know the normal flight patterns in and out of KCI...this was something totally out of the ordinary.

I was clear this was a well concieved and coordinated effort that DID NOT HAPPEN by just normal traffic. It was so odd I called my wife on the cell phone and had her go outside and look...she saw it as well.

These trails did not react the same as a normal contrail does...they dissapated (or expanded?) into these thick layers that eventually formed a kind of haze over the city.

There was one radio station that was reporting it as well, people were calling in wanting to know what it was.

I do not know who..or what was being sprayed...but I can tell you IT DID HAPPEN, I saw it with my own eyes. I then got on the internet and began to see all these web pages on this chemtail stuff...very odd thing indeed! It is happening, not sure why.

-- RainMan! (Ibelieve@spray.com), November 08, 1999.


Parry:

Without other discussion, my analysis system tells me this is a faked, layered image [not a very good one at that].

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 08, 1999.


The pictured linked in the top post looks fake. That jet is just too big to be used for spraying. If one wants to spray the sky, why use a passenger plane, why not a crop duster or a military plane that is built for such a purpose.

Time to go out to the hen house and shovel some real stuff.

-- chicken farmer (chicken-farmer@ y2k.farm), November 08, 1999.



--I have to agree on that one image. I'm not on my personal box now, with my grafix stuff, but jiss lookin at it it seems fake. Most of the photos on the various chemtrail pages appear genuine, though. And i know the ones I've seen are certainly real!

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

RainMain,

I, too, live in Kansas City, and have seen these on numerous occasions. Have lived here all my life; these are a relatively new 'phenomenon'.

Believe me, I'm not one to jump to any conclusion (about anything) very easily.

They're NOT just your ordinary contrails.

-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), November 08, 1999.


One of the most effective ways to kill public interest in anything like this is to introduce so much deception and obvious nonsense into the media stream that the whole business looks ridiculous.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 08, 1999.

"That jet is just too big to be used for spraying. If one wants to spray the sky, why use a passenger plane, why not a crop duster or a military plane that is built for such a purpose"

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Some years ago there were 2 Boing 707 planes spraying locusts on gummit land. One of them turned too sharply, too closely to the ground. Wing hit ground and plane crashed. I saw these planes, but I did not witness this crash.

-- Histamine (nose@spray.net), November 08, 1999.


I am still not convinced that the 'people' are being sprayed with anything. NTL I will address the question, "Why use something this big to do that job?". Because it can carry a HELL of a lot of spray. Because it is LESS obtrusive. Because it LOOKS like it is supposed to be there. It the photo a fake? How would anyone know but the guy that merged the images?

I still like the weather manipulation expirements explaination.

-m-

-- (...@.......), November 08, 1999.



I live in Kansas City. I am a wealthy business owner and family man as well. I have seen these contrails. They are REAL. They are REAL I am telling you!

The jets fly over KC every single day. Not all citizens can see them. But they are huge. Huge jet planes spraying something on me. I am frightened by this. I heard someone say it is a type of dust that causes paranoia but does not allow one to become agitated.

I am feeling calm and peaceful. But I am very concerned that these jets will kill me.

-- Kansas (HelpMeOut@HelpMeOUT.com), November 08, 1999.


m:

not too familiar with graphics software are you.

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 08, 1999.


Some years ago, a defector from the Iraqi Bio Weapons program said that vials of anthrax and other bio agents had been smuggled into the US and other Western Countries to be released by terrorist cells at some unspecified future date. This is why the military is making it mandatory for all service members to take the anthrax vaccine. The chemtrails are an attempt to vaccinate the public at large,quietly, so's not to create panic.These chemtrails have been sighted over Western Europe, Australia and Canada, and also over sparsely populated areas. Antrax effects animals as well as humans. It is an upper respiratory ailment in which the victim's lungs fill with a whipped cream-like fluid and the victim drowns. This is why those sprayed often experience flu like respiratory systems. I experienced it myself, nothing too heavy, like a mild case of the flu. It lasts a couple weeks and is gone. Some individuals have more extreme reactions, a few die. This is common in any mass innoculation program. Seen all the stuff in the media about a possible bio weapons attack? They expect it soon!

-- HPAC (everybody@duck.com), November 08, 1999.



Ever see a normal airline flight do a 180 and head back in the direction it came from?

Also notice the heavier leading edge on the contrail, the substance which is being dispersed as it slowly oozes downward like paint on a wall when it is applied too heavy. They've fine tuned the substance to the correct weight and viscosity for maximum dispersal without falling too close to the ground.


-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 08, 1999.

"The chemtrails are an attempt to vaccinate the public at large,quietly, so's not to create panic.These chemtrails have been sighted over Western Europe, Australia and Canada, and also over sparsely populated areas.

This view, though plausible, also encounters inconsistencies. Many of the 'chemtrail' reports indicate that the anomalous trails are formed by aircraft flying at great height -- well above 20,000 feet. Yet people on the ground below, who see those high tracks, report these symptoms.

Aerosols released at such heights don't reach the ground under the release point -- they mingle thoroughly with the atmosphere, and travel with the high altitude winds. They will reach ground level only through turbulent mixing of air masses, possibly hundreds or thousands of miles away, and greatly dispersed.

Even fine particulate matter released at high levels doesn't fall straight down, but is carried with the wind for great distances. Particulate radioactive by-products from above-ground nuclear testing in Nevada was identified in Ohio.

The low-level spraying reported is another matter entirely.

I found a very clear picture of a C-130 on a low level spray mission here, enlarged from a thumbnail with associated text here. The caption reads:

"A specially modified C-130H from Youngstown Air Reserve Base, Ohio, sprays pesticide over Marine Corps boot camp on Parris Island, South Carolina, to combat biting midges. The 910th Airlift Wing trains in peacetime to fulfill their wartime commitment that began back in World War II, when legions of American GIs fell victim to malaria and dengue fever, deseases spread by mosquitoes. Aerial spraying enables large parcels of land to be treated quickly, accurately and cheaply."

Seems to be an accepted practice. (But I'd just as soon they didn't spray where I live.)

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 08, 1999.



You people are idiots if you believe anything that comes from Art Bell.

-- ChefTRD (ChefTRD@0928465.fbi.gov), November 09, 1999.

ChefTRD,

Art Bell has an audience of over 400 stations worldwide, live streaming video Internet coverage, and an total of somewhere near 15,000,000 listeners. How many do YOU have??

And you expect me to give YOU more credibility than him?

Bwaaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahahahahaha!!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 09, 1999.


I've never heard Art Bell. I HAVE seen these things with my own eyes on several occasions in south-central Kansas and experienced illness by ALL family members following the first sighting. We observed more of them again just yesterday. It's an unnatural sight and my father has been noticing them for the first time in Wyoming as well, in the last year.

Believe whatever makes you feel most comfortable. Anthrax is carried by livestock as well. Blanket spraying would be the quickest, fastest, most efficient method, providing the technology existed to conduct this endeavor. I for one can't stomach the level of 'miraculous' achievements that have been pursued and developed by science and have little doubt that the ability to conduct *this* couldn't possibly exist. Pa-lease.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), November 09, 1999.


The reputation of Art Bell ain't got nothin' to do with it. It has to do with the reputations of the people speaking. I know the guy who brought William Thomas to Aspen, who was on the air with Thomas and Art Bell in this most recent interview. His reputation is sterling.

William Thomas' reputation is sterling as well. He is an investigative journalist and has written 3 books, none having to do with anything fringe. He's been thrown into this because he can see with his own eyes what is going on. He has also formally requested information from all manner of governmental sources and has been stonewalled each time.

As you can now gather, I live in the Aspen area. Speaking to an acquaintance recently who travels in the spheres of the influential people in town (obviously there are quite a few national and international corporate CEOs along with a mixture of celebs, royalty etc.), you would not believe what they think these things are. It is about as laughable as any theory I have heard. Actually it is ridiculous.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 09, 1999.


OR,

Well.....don't just keep us hanging! What's their theory? Aren't their brains bigger? I'm sure they have it figured out.

-- I'm (really@curious.now), November 09, 1999.


You really want the gut buster, ey? Okay...

This particular group says they have been told it is jet portapotty effluvium being dispensed in the air by ONE and only one jet liner company and the FAA is hot on their tale.

1. They seem to have forgotten about the fact the chemtrails we are referring to is aerosolized to stay in the air for awhile and

2. FAA regulation requires the toilet medium you relieve yourself into be blue in coloring. I don't recall anyone saying the goo falling from the sky was blue, do YOU?

3. My take on it is that they have decided since one town in Utah was splattered once or twice from the sky with human waste (it was obvious what it was) that chemtrails must be the same thing.

I toldya it was a gut buster, and I swear I am telling the truth.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 09, 1999.


Hawk, only the Russians do 180s when Clinton invades somebody.

There was a sh(&*(*tload of these things over Austin yesterday.

Maybe they're trying to create reference points for the aliens to land. Kinda like an 'x-marks-the-spot' thing.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), November 09, 1999.


Austin have an airport? BTW - Military interceptors do 180's on almost every flight, fly out find the track, turn around go home... A 180 proves absolutly nothing.

-- (...@.......), November 09, 1999.

..@... you're obviously having a problem on getting a grip on the evidence.

Dig it. It's going on above you. Watch. I have read your postings. They are not addressing the fact that hundred of thousands of people are noticing these things. Many of these abnormal supposed 'contrails' are laid down at the same time and very close to the same altitude of jets that are emitting the normal type contrails that dissipate after a few minutes.

Why don't you go visit the following website in it's 'recent visitors' section to see who also thinks this is a rather interesting subject...and while you're at it...WAKE THE EFFF UP.

http://www.contrailconnection.com/

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 09, 1999.


Oh S**t

I saw these trails in Sonoma last week. No planes, it was a beautiful day, lovely blue skies. I remember them, I noticed them because I have never seen anything like them. They were so unusual. Believe me I have seen contrails, my dad was in the Navy for 30 years. We were stationed out at China Lake (big security, lots of planes, then at Miramar Naval Air Station, lots of trails. Never like these.

OT: The power went out last week, it happens sometimes, no big deal right but we are usually never buzzed by copters at the same time, never. Happened last week. (I hate this)

-- trails (karlacalif@aol.com), November 09, 1999.


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