Hello

I just ran across this. Mr. Poole states it is a new article he's been working on for the Website. He also states comments and suggestions are welcome....

http://www.year2000.com/archive/thought.html

Wait till you read it! His title for the article is:

"Debunking the Final Myth: The Need to Prepare"

-- anon (anon@here.now), November 08, 1999

Answers

OOPS!

Sorry, here is the article from Mr. Poole:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/3719.html

Sorry, the one I listed in my original post is another article I found interesting -- but not by Mr. Poole.

-- anon (anon@here.now), November 08, 1999.

A very well presented and incredibly articulate load of absolute rubbish! It's a good thing most people can't read at this level. Y2K is all about Memes...yeah right.

-- Ludi (Ludi@rollin.com), November 08, 1999.

My original response was to the 1st article posted. My response to the 2nd one is about the same...except it is far less articulate.

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), November 08, 1999.

I'm glad to hear that Poole isn't preparing.

OTOH, It's odd to see anyone put so much energy into discouraging others from preparing. What's the point of that? Why bother? What on earth do such nay-sayers DO with themselves when there's no one to contradict?

-- this (is@rather.puzzling), November 08, 1999.

A rational explanation for making Y2K preparations
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001R UO

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

Got 14 days of preps? If not, get started now. Click here.

Click here and check out the TB2000 preparation forum.

Got an oil lamp? Need parts. See the cooperative preps.

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 08, 1999.

"Do you realize that if every single Doomlit were to put that "Prep" energy into, say, volunteering to help out IF things DO go to pot, that we'd have no problems next year?

Re-read that paragraph. Ponder it. Ingest it."

What an unmitigated ass. Time spent prepping now has NOTHING to do with how time will be spent next year. And I would venture to guess that those who are not occupied full-time trying to figure out where their next meal is coming from will be able to focus quite nicely on fixing whatever problems they can.

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), November 08, 1999.

Time will tell which side of the equation was right.

In the mean time I offer this equation:

POOLE = FOOLE

Did you get it?

-- snooze button (alarmclock_2000@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

Okay, I read it. I can agree with some points. In some areas [for example food] he shows woeful ignorance and any lack of understanding of quality differences [I sure won't share my Beluga with him]. My final impression. For Poole, this is a game; mental gymnastics. With this line of logic, it appears to me that he doesn't want to be taken seriously. Therefore, I won't.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 08, 1999.

Mr. Poole,

How did you get to be so stupid in such a relatively short period of time (less than a complete lifetime)?

DO you really believe your logic is sound? You're kidding -- right? If not, thank you for so willingly preparing to exit the gene pool. The rest of us truly appreciate it.

What an idiot.

TA

-- TA (im@amazed.too), November 08, 1999.

I notice none of the doomers use a single, solitary fact to refute what Steve Pool says. Just mindless attacking.

Gee, isn't that what you bitch about the "polies" doing all the time?

Two faced bastards.

-- Substance Abusers (should@look.in a mirror), November 08, 1999.

DO you really believe your logic is sound? You're kidding -- right? If not, thank you for so willingly preparing to exit the gene pool. The rest of us truly appreciate it.

I know I do. There will be more left for the rest of us next year when the pollys are dead.

-- (its@coming.soon), November 08, 1999.

Substance Abusers:

Poole is not trying to be serious. Using facts would make no difference. I'm too busy to play games [hell, I'm fixing stuff so Poole will be right about Y2K] and provide fun for Poole.

Best wishes,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 08, 1999.

Poole says he used to be an insurance salesman, then goes on to laugh at the people he sold insurance to. So his hoax was just another symptom of a long-term warped personality, not a one-time thing. BTW, this is how cpr explains Poole's hoax:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/2953.html

It wasn't a lie. It was a deliberately planted false story.

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Posted by (208.188.27.198) cpr on October 30, 1999 at 19:55:18:

In Reply to: Thanks again to Stephen posted by anonymous on October 30, 1999 at 18:57:03:

And many of us knew long before hand off line that he was going to do it. The reaction of the Cult was beyond what we expected.

It makes nice additions to future text books of the Net inducing hysteria.

Most of the time, the people online on EY or other forums haven't a clue about how they are being deliberately manipulated.

I for one, now believe that many of the "troll" posts are planted by the "moderators" both on EY's PIT and Hyatt's Hell.

EY enters the picture whenever he needs to get the "fear level" bubbling up.

CPR

-- These troll (assholes@are.TWISTED), November 08, 1999.

Substance Abusers,

You must be new. Poole was a regular here for many months, talking the same bozo crap then, that he's still talking now. Many of us wasted far too much time and energy arguing the "facts" with him. Then he showed his true colors. He is a lying, clueless, eyes closed moron, not worthy of any further comment. End of story.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

Sysman,

I don't agree with all he said but think he asked some good questions. If you aren't REASNOABLE SURE that Y2K is going to be bad, wouldn't the money be better spent elsewhere?

I read Yardenis stuff yesterday and he seems to think that Y2K will cause MARKET and ECONOMIC problems. Why should I buy a bunch of food for that? Why shouldn't I change my investments and stuff? Wouldn't that make more sense?

I guess I'm a fence-sitter and simply dismissing Poole as a fool doesn't help me much.

And Poole asked three questions there yesterday that no one has even had the nerve to respond to. That really disappointed me. I wanted to see some REAL answers not just name calling. Just for ONCE. Here's the link.

(That's my first time trying a link let's see how it works!)

PLEASE answer the questions. He makes some good points and it doesn't help that my family and friends read what he says and give me hell about it. You need to give people like me some hard answers.

Theres a lot of people like me who are trying to make their minds up about Y2K and just calling people names doesn't do us any good.

Mr. Farnya, I looked at your link. I'm sorry, but it's just more of the "we don't know for sure so we should prepare to be safe" stuff. That's EXCTLY what Poole was talking about, isn't it?

-- DarthNader (Darth_Nader@nonukes.net), November 08, 1999.

I see the trolls are doing bad cop-good cop. We had the bad last week, it's the turn of "sweet reason" this week.

A troll by any other name would smell as rancid.

-- No (troll@chow.here), November 08, 1999.

Darth:

The giant silence surrounding you is the sound of being ignored. Based on a long history, certain people are ignored because they are not interested in adding to the discussion. It is a price they pay for their past actions. It isn't a great price. After all I ignore lots of people and, still, they thrive. You must be new to the field to think that Stephen's article contained any new ideas. Then, possibly, that wasn't your point.

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 08, 1999.

Roland:

Got to disagree (in an agreeable way): by preparing now you remove yourself from the list of those who need help and put yourself on the list of those who have the resources and time to help. I do, however, share your distaste for the non-prepare philosophy.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), November 08, 1999.

Sysman: could you point out what it is you are reffering to? Specifically, He is a lying, clueless, eyes closed moron, not worthy of any further comment. I would be interested to know. What you stated above just sounds like groundless ad hominem.

Z1X4Y7: It sounds like you should be able to easily refute what this man is saying....why not give it a go? You would be the first to say something other than a "mindless attack"[see above poster] if you did. C'mon...humor us fence sitters.

-- Sittin' Pretty (on@the.fence), November 08, 1999.

Ok last time I explain this. Anyone who says Y2K is no big deal is being foolish. Anyone who says Y2K is end of the world is being foolish. It is a real problem. Example: A PLC controls a system of valves that open pipelines to deliver oil, Every 3 days the valve opens or closes to reroute, the calculation is based on the day, the PLC is not Y2K compliant, the valve doesn't open. Didn't we already see this with a sewage test in California? Second example: You are paid hourly, payroll system is not Y2K compliant, you work 45 hours in a week, date is incorrect and does not recognize you worked anytime, your paycheck is screwed up. Is someone really going to say that any possible problem like this has been fixed? There is no way. I didn't think this late in the game anyone was saying Y2K was a panic problem and just a myth or a scheme to get people to pay consultants. Don't know if you've ever dealt with a fortune 500 company before but those people are pretty smart. They don't spend millions of dollars fixing myths. If you keep complaining I'll explain more but this is it in a nutshell. If you think it's a myth, clear your head and thing logically about the implications of interconnected systems not being able to synchronize dates. It's really very simple. Y2K IS A PROBLEM and has been for years. How big is anyones guess. Can we please move on to discussing important aspects of Y2K instead of this inane chatter about memes? Sorry I'm getting a little edgy I know, but the Pollies have just really gotten to me lately. A little logic and common sense would be nice now and again.

-- (roark@not.now), November 08, 1999.

Darth, in answer to a few of your points...

I don't agree with all he said but think he asked some good questions. If you aren't REASNOABLE [sic] SURE that Y2K is going to be bad, wouldn't the money be better spent elsewhere?

1) I AM "resonably sure". (God knows, I've been in the business long enough), and 2) what else would you spend it on? Maybe that new BOAT? (Gotta be a GOOD LITTLE CONSUMER, right dude?)

I choose to lay in supplies for my family. I consider that THE single most important thing I can do for them. I love my family, and couldn't live with myself if BAD things happened to them, if I had had the knowledge and means to take action.

I read Yardenis stuff yesterday and he seems to think that Y2K will cause MARKET and ECONOMIC problems. Why should I buy a bunch of food for that? Why shouldn't I change my investments and stuff? Wouldn't that make more sense?

I lost my job to the Depression of 1990/91 (it's a recession if it happens to your neighbor, and a Depression if it happens to YOU). At one point we had NOTHING in the house to eat, but still had two young boys to feed. I didn't work for 18 months. We were bankrupt, destitute and homeless. NEVER AGAIN. Feel free to "change your investments"; I'm sure that some did the same thing in 1929. Enjoy...

I guess I'm a fence-sitter and simply dismissing Poole as a fool doesn't help me much.

Fence sit as much as you want. But you only have 53 days left to sit there. If you're going to come OFF the fence, you'd better have done so before then. Personally, whether YOU live or (potentially) die means nothing to me. (It'll just be another study in Darwinian selection.) BUT, how would your loved ones be affected by your demise, or how would YOU be afected by theirs? The choice is yours. Make it soon.

BTW, some of us don't think of it as being on the fence. We think of it as SITTING ON THE TRACKS. We hear the train coming. We see the smoke from the engine. We are trying to WARN you to GET OFF THE TRACKS while you still have time. If you just sit there, the only remaining question is HOW FAR YOUR LIFELESS CORPSE WILL BE THROWN?

As Clint would say.... "Do ya feel lucky...? Well, DO ya, PUNK...?"

Don't ask "What are the odds?" Ask "What are the STAKES?"

53 days. About 1275 hours.

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 08, 1999.

Great article - thank you for the link to something useful, finally.

Cheers!
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), November 08, 1999.

Oh good, a random blast from an orbiting mind-control laser knocked Andy Ray out of his stupor.

-- snooze button (alarmclock_2000@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

"Ok last time I explain this. Anyone who says Y2K is no big deal is being foolish. Anyone who says Y2K is end of the world is being foolish. It is a real problem."

I don't disagree that it WAS a real problem. But I think everyone knows about it by now so is it still a real problem? If that PLC has a potential problem don't you think the oil people will ahve technicians around to check the lines and watch for stuff like that? Your fear would only make sense if they were all off partying just letting the computers run with no one watching. Do you really think they'll do that?

I'm just asking. I'm very confused. I'm sure your argument looks very clear to you but to someone like me it doesn't.

The payroll problem isn't a good example because payroll can be done by hand. I have a friend (a non-doomer, I'll admit) who works in the accounting department of a big company near hear and he tells me that their payroll programs have to be redone all the time now because of changing tax laws and things like that. They have problems with them all the time now and once again the key is that there are people watching them. They don't just let them run on autopilot they take every check and check the math before they release them. HE says if they had to they could write all the paychecks by hand.

He says that the Dept. of Labor will come down on them like a ton of bricks if they can't make payroll. They expect the company to make payroll even if they don't pay the electric bill and the rent.

I guess what I'm saying is, what you're afraid of would make sensei f all these people were off partying and ignoring the computers but they're not. I see them spending money as proof that they're not ignoring the problem.

"Can we please move on to discussing important aspects of Y2K instead of this inane chatter about memes?"

I'm sorry you think this is inane chatter but you might want to consider something. There are LOTS of people like me who are trying to make their minds up. You're not helping you're actually hurting with all the name calling. I don't understand it.

-- DarthNader (Darth_Nader@nonukes.net), November 08, 1999.

Rumor has it that Andy Ray and Stephen Poole are one and the same. They do both appear to have a very effeminate way of expressing themselves, though whereas Poole seems to be long winded and illogical, Andy Ray is short on words and just plain annoying.

So, I doubt that the rumor is true, but only Porky in Cellblock D probably knows for sure.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 08, 1999.

Are all doomers obsessed with disastrous memes and homophobia? or is it just the sexist mud-wrestlers?

Sping of Kain is wrong about Y2K, and is having as difficult a time accepting this as he is his (her) own latent sexuality (which expresses itself in his/her observations). Sir (or madam, whichever you prefer), your Freudian slip is showing.

Laughing Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), November 08, 1999.

Good ol' Andy Ray -- don't you love his original quotes. "Freudian slip is showing." Sheesh! Talk about hackneyed.

-- -- (the@home.meme), November 08, 1999.

DarthNader and Sittin' Pretty,

No, I won't answer his questions. I spend dozens, more like hundreds, of posts here "answering" his questions. And I don't have the time to dig in the archive to find his bullshit. I've got better things to do than defend this idiot, that thinks this whole thing is just a big f~!@#$% game. Many of the regulars here wasted their time "talking" with him. He was famous here, so you shouldn't have much trouble finding him in the archive. Do your own damned research if you really want to know.

While we didn't agree, he did have my respect. Hell, we were even trading jokes. Then he showed us all what kind of person that he really is.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time, again, talking about this crap. And seeing Andy Ray here, well, that just makes my day. I'm outta here...

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), November 09, 1999.

Sysyman,

I don't think Mr. Poole or any other pollies are losing sleep over the fact that a doomer such as yourself (or any doomer) doesn't like them anymore.

In fact, I believe that doomer attention (negative, derisive, whining though it may be) is indicative of polly effectiveness.

Insightful Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), November 09, 1999.