Bomb downed EgyptAir, say crash investigators

White House policy of denying terrorist activity in air disasters?

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By David M. Bresnahan ) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

The crash of EgyptAir 990 is the most recent example of an apparent Clinton administration policy to deny terrorist involvement in airline disasters, according to independent investigators. With an extensive background as a flight crash investigator, Cmdr. William Donaldson (Ret.), and former Federal Aviation Administration investigator Rodney Stitch, both believe a terrorist bomb on board the plane most likely caused the crash of EgyptAir 990.

Donaldson's independent study of a previous air disaster, the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800, led him to conclude that crash was caused by a missile fired by terrorists. Stitch concurs that a missile was the most likely cause of the TWA disaster. Moreover, Stitch has compelling evidence that the U.S. government allowed over 100 U.S.-made Stinger missiles to be put on the open market, likely finding their way into terrorist hands.

Both investigators contend that President Clinton has a specific policy of denial to avoid tough questions and the pressure to take military action against terrorists.

"The government becomes an interested party as soon as terrorism is placed on the table as an option," Donaldson said. In the past, both investigators contend, when the U.S. has admitted to being a victim of terrorism, the government usually has failed to take decisive action. If terrorism therefore is acknowledged as a cause of an airline crash, the public will demand immediate retaliation that the Clinton Administration is not prepared to take, they contend.

"As soon as you admit that aircraft not only came down by a terrorist act, but it was shot down over our own waters, the media's going to say, 'wait a minute, how did that happen? Why didn't we know there was a threat? Where was the CIA? Where was the FBI? Where was the military? What did the White House know and when did they know it?'" said Donaldson.

Stitch agreed with the assessment that President Clinton avoids scrutiny by remaining uncommitted on whether terrorism was involved in either of the crashes, and delaying the final investigative outcome for as long as possible.

"Let's say they know it was a surrogate from Iran that was responsible. Once the media's got the story they're going to run with it. What are you going to do, Mr. President? The American people are going to demand that we take some kind of reprisal," suggested Donaldson.

"Iran is a very tough nut to screw with. They've got cells all around the world of loyal Moslems that will light their bodies on fire," he added. Rather than deal with the difficult situation, both men believe the evidence is strong that a new policy for dealing with terrorist acts began with the crash of TWA flight 800 in 1996.

The evidence already known about EgyptAir 990 should be enough to indicate only a very few realistic explanations for what happened, according to both investigators, as well as one of the actual designers of the Boeing 767 aircraft that crashed.

Joseph Ruisi worked for Grumman Aerospace and was part of the team that designed much of the plane under subcontract for Boeing. Ruisi told WorldNetDaily it was highly unlikely EgyptAir 990 suffered mechanical failure to the extent that it would respond the way the evidence shows.

The Boeing 767 is the strongest commercial airplane in the air, said Ruisi. Something caused the plane to depressurize, he said, and it was most likely a bomb. Stitch and Donaldson agree.

"The first possibility is a bomb exploding on the aircraft and the pilot then making an emergency descent," said Stitch.

"When I used to conduct emergency descents with the airline pilots, we'd go up to 37,000 feet and then I would tell them we just lost all pressurization," said Stitch. "One thing I would warn them about would be, if the depressurization is due to damage like, let's say, a bomb, there's a possibility that the emergency descent, which is kind of hard on the aircraft, could cause further failure of the aircraft. It could come completely apart."

He disagreed with the suggestion that one of the engines suddenly went into reverse. All three men said that is the least likely cause, and that it is being used as a cover by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Clinton Administration.

Although all three believe a missile strike is responsible for the downing of TWA flight 800, they believe such is just a remote possibility in the case of EgyptAir 990. Small missiles could not reach the altitude at which the EgyptAir plane was flying, and at that altitude and speed it would be virtually impossible to hit.

The only missiles that could successfully hit the plane would have to be launched from a submarine or another plane, said Donaldson, who did not see evidence that such an attack had been made.

"The basic facts as I've seen them, show[ing] the aircraft precipitously diving from 33,000 feet with the transponder operating, is significant. It means that the engines, the fuel system, the wings were intact when the aircraft left its cruising altitude. There's two ways that can happen -- either in control or out of control," described Donaldson.

"The in control scenario would be, for example, and I think this has got a high probability: If an explosive device or some other unexplained breach of cabin integrity occurred at that altitude, you have an explosive decompression. When you're in the cabin you're going to have an almost instant ice fog. If the hole's big enough, you're actually going to have stuff that's going to migrate to that hole and go out.

"The oxygen masks drop down. You have about 10 to 15 seconds of useful conscious time. That's a real problem for civilians that have never gone through this training before. The very first thing you have to do is grab the mask and put it on your face. If you don't do that you're going to get confused, and it's a very confusing thing," said Donaldson of what he believes most likely took place on the plane.

The pilot is trained to react quickly to such an emergency, something both Stitch and Donaldson insisted is well known by all commercial pilots.

"The next thing would be to slam the throttles back to the flight idle position and actuate wing spoilers. Some aircraft may require the flaps even to be deployed to get the aircraft at a high drag situation so you can dump the nose and dive for 10,000 feet," said Donaldson.

He said he believes the evidence shows that the pilot of EgyptAir 990 was following these emergency procedures to the letter. Once the plane dropped 10,000 feet the pilot had to end the rapid dive and level it off. That is when the plane literally came apart in the air because of the forces being exerted on a badly damaged plane, said Donaldson.

"The crisis for the pilots is to begin pulling the nose up," said Donaldson. "If the hull is breached, the strength in a modern aircraft is in the skin of the vessel itself. It's like an eggshell. Once you crack it, the structure is nowhere near as strong as it was."

According to news reports, says Donaldson, "at 19,000 feet, the transponder stopped and the radar appears to have shown multiple targets. If the airplane is intact you are going to see one blip all the way. What they're saying is that they had multiple targets on the radar. So that means it broke up. It takes some distance to separate before they are actually discernible as two pieces on this type of radar."

Donaldson said he knew right away the truth would be difficult to get to because President Clinton was making the same evasive statements he made after the crash of TWA Flight 800. "He said, 'let's not jump to any conclusions. Let's prove that it's terrorism before we say it's terrorism.' What he's saying is, assume that Boeing builds a lousy airplane that blows itself up, and if a terrorist turns himself in, maybe we'll call it terrorism. That's a little sarcastic, but that's almost as bad as it was," said Donaldson.

He blamed the media for accepting what the Clinton Administration says at face value without any independent validation.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 06, 1999

Answers

So, WorldNetDaily is publishing peoples opinions as news articles? Kind of early to begin guessing without having any physical evidence. These guys aren't even part of the investigation.

-- Lurking on the sidelines (Alw@ys lurking.com), November 07, 1999.

The White House psychology and spin control rings true.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 07, 1999.

Absolutely it was a bomb, and they are correct that our media these days are a pathetic lazy bunch of losers. Instead of asking questions and doing some investigative work they sit around waiting for the next sex story to fall into their laps.

Read this article that Stephen posted on another thread:

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Egyptian Defense Minister: "Prepare for war including with Israel"

(IsraelWire-10/29) Egyptian Defense Minister Muhammad Hussein Tantawi recently instructed the senior Egyptian army command to prepare for the possibility of war with Israel, if the interests of Egypt would deem it necessary.

Tantawi's words are well known in defense and state circles in Israel and were made clear to Prime Minister and Defense Minister Ehud Barak and other senior persons.

Egypt's armament and war-preparedness has worried Israel for several years. The Egyptian army is considered one of the strongest in the area, and is equipped with modern western weaponry. The Egyptian navy is considered the best in the Mideast.

Tantawi is considered a supporter of the peace process, and once said to former Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordehai "Let's remove the word 'war' from our lexicon".

Defense sources feel that the latest words out of Egypt are an escalation of anti-Israeli sentiments, and are concerned by amount of preparation taken by the Egyptian army.

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Another very likely motive for terrorism, overlooked by American media. Since the possibility of a bomb is very likely, how come they aren't finding out the truth about Edwards Air Force Base, which would be the most likely place to plant it on the plane without having to deal with airport security. Instead of automatically believing everything the government tells them, good reporters are supposed to do some research to verify the facts. How come no one seems to be able to explain this weird schedule that this plane took, either delayed at LA or Edwards, and landed at Newark when, and why? What a bunch of frigging idiots.

Andy, did you get a response yet from the investigative detective?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 07, 1999.

Nope.

www.airdisasters.com

maybe if we all bombard them with e-mails :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 07, 1999.

Lurking -- are you naive? You do know that any reporter who asks an "embarrassing" question at a White House news conference is either replaced or future question attempts ignored.

Here's a dose of reality for you. The U.S. is hated by much of the world. Why? Because the U.S. governmentis a meddling, manipulative, bullying, arrogant entity. This causes resentment. Resentment leads to striking out. Now, since the U.S. is a nuclear power, and many of those it bullies are not, the only alternatives they have are terrorism (including shooting or bombing an occasional passenger plane) and/or bioligical and chemical attacks (poor man's nukes).

The purpose of terrorism is to get the public of the terrorized country to make an outcry for the government to do something. Usually that something is for the government to become an even bigger bully, but the actual desire of the terrorists is for the government to "butt out" (in some cases make reparations).

NOW, WHY THE GOVERNMENT SPIN that these things are "accidents" instead of terrorist events is that if the government admitted in public that the accident was really terrorism, the government might have to change some of its actions vis-a-vis other governments (or groups). If they can pan it off as just another accident, the government can continue f*in with others ... business as usual.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 07, 1999.

You will recall I said I was an engineer? I worked for Boeing. Sorry guys but the company does NOT subcontract out to others to build their planes. We built the entire thing and would on occasion then deliver it for "fixtures" to be put in...like say the Saudi's who installed all gold plumbing...or Air Force One which the military installed their "hardware" in....Nope, something smells to high heaven here.

I was in both stress analysis and design and we NEVER EVER subcontract the main bird out. This report is a phony.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), November 07, 1999.

Excuse me Ynott aren't you the young lady living in Italy? Or are you our boeing know-nothing Cherri from presumably Seattle.

just asking.

"Joseph Ruisi worked for Grumman Aerospace and was part of the team that designed much of the plane under subcontract for Boeing."

the report is not a "phony" Ynott.

It is an attempt to talk some sense amidst all the goverbment denial and obfuscation.

You DO know what a "subcontractor" is I take it???????

Sheesh!

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 07, 1999.

Lurking,

The guys outside the investigation are the ones who are most likely to see the truth. The actual on-site investigators are being paid to make sure what little evidence does turn up fits in with the script that the White House wants to follow. From this point forward they are creating a false reality. What we the people need to do is go back in time and try to discover the true reality of what occurred. I don't care what the goddam gullible media believes or is paid to print, I think there are still some very big question marks about this supposed 4 hour delay in getting to New York. The whole situation with the so-called "emergency stop", whether it was at Newark or Edwards, was IMO an intentional delay to pack the bomb into the plane without having to pass security inspection. We need some fricking answers and we need them NOW, because as Andy said, "the freeze" has already begun to set in.

Do you actually think there will be much physical evidence? Not likely, they're getting smarter every time. It took them 3 years to piece together TWA 800, they still don't have an answer, and that was in much shallower water. This time they did it way out in the deeper water so it will be nearly impossible. If the government is successful in following their plan, this thing will drag on for 10 years, and we still won't get the truth. Half of the people on that plane were Americans, and the public should be enraged at this sloppy and pathetic media coverage.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 07, 1999.

Polly: "But... but... the plane was flying fine until the last minute! I don't understand!"

-- Y2KGardener (gardens@bigisland.net), November 07, 1999.

Ynott,

I seriously doubt that the guy would put his name up there for Boeing to see if he didn't work on the plane.

"Joseph Ruisi worked for Grumman Aerospace and was part of the team that designed much of the plane under subcontract for Boeing."

He said that he was involved in the DESIGN, not the construction.

I checked the Boeing site and found this..

"Oct. 30, 1997 Manufacturing of the first 757-300 tail begins at Northrop Grumman in Dallas, Tex."

They do not have the chronology of the 767-300ER up on the site, perhaps until all liability is determined. But this does show that Grumman (after merging with Northrop) was involved in the 757's.

Now if you know anything about engineering design you should know that the design of the tail section is entirely dependent on the stresses delivered to it from the main fuselage, so this guy would have to know a lot about the integrity of the entire aircraft to do his job.

Sorry to double sorry you but you misunderstood, that part of this report is NOT phony.

(*V*)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 07, 1999.

My goodness, I knew I would get nasty response, but Andy, REALLY!

Yes, I did work for Boeing about 10 years ago. yes, I did design the aft section of 767's, 757's, 737's, and others....GEEE, I guess I don't know much about THIS subject, eh Andy? Our subcontractors who worked on the aft section, installed galleys and lavatories. They performed these functions based on specs that we gave them based on the requirements of the client and their specifications for installation.

Manufacturing of ALL 767's and other boeing planes are done in Renton (where I worked) and in our more northern site (dedicated at that time to the big bird 747).

I am not saying that a bomb did NOT take out the 767. I really don't know. I AM saying that I doubt anything coming out of Grumman and NOT Boeing. Nobody else has verified this guy. Gee, I wonder why? Has Boeing made any statements? No...hmmmmm?

Sorry, I don't buy it that the guy who works on the toilets knows about the structure. I did work on the structure...never worked with Grumman at that time.

Been there and unlike you Andy, DONE THAT! I'll wait for Boeing to release their report...It is ALWAYS done with precision and they wait for all of the facts before shooting off their mouths with wild speculation....But I find that you guys believe what you want. I'll believe what I know in this case.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), November 07, 1999.

Another example of "Tinfoil Logic". Ignore the work of the official investigators and rely on "independent investigators". I.e. people who have not seen the evidence nor have acces to the facts. The rubes will of course embrace the " independent investigators" because, well, they're mentally ill...

Meanwhile, WorldNutDaily continues to churn out the paranoia, and people like ol' Andy continue to inhale it...

This culture offers us corporate slavery and snickers bars, two car garages and shiney chains. The people are such contented cattle they'll never wake up to the fact that we need a revolution.I pray that y2k will bring teotwaWki bad enough that we loose the trust that has enabled us to be so complacently enslaved.Our numbers are too high anyway,if our species is lucky it'll be a few billion dead and not just a few million.The species doesn't need you or me just enough genetic diversity to ensure survival.Maybe then our species won't suicide like it appears to be so eager to do.

I pray for TEOTWAWKI (hopeful@doome.r), November 01, 1999.

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro@hotmail.com), November 07, 1999.

Ynott,

ya don't get it do ya? Apologies, but your phrasing sometimes sounds VERY much like our resident troll and Boeing [non] expert, Cherri.

However, did you read Hawk's post? OK yet?

Did any of you [especially the resident moron y2k pro] read Cmdr. William Donaldson's (Ret.) report on the TWA800 "crash"????

I sincerely doubt it...

You would make excellent reporters for the controlled-media,

Ynott - think about it puhleeeze...

IT WAS TERRORISM - A BOMB or SABOTAGE...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 07, 1999.

I only know something about airplanes from the two/three seats at the very front. Flew for the airlines for 33+ years. What they state about procedures is absolutely correct. Our level off altitude was 14000 feet, but it was always taught in training that the oxygen mask was absolutely the first thing done in a decompression. Then you evaluated if it were an explosive decompression or just a window etc. That would determine how fast you would come down. You didn't want to destroy the airframe during the descent. At higher speeds you could get down quicker, with a damaged airframe you possibly would lose some folks As regards to Boeing having parts of airliners built else where, I only know what is common knowledge. Wings, tail assemblies, etc are built all over the place. They even used special aircraft to carry sections to Seattle. Reading the papers will illuminate this to you. Then it is assembled in Washington state. I even recall that the Japanese were building or bidding on some parts.

-- Gene on Cape Cod (carvgene@gis.net), November 07, 1999.

You appear to be somewhat new to this forum and it should be noted that Andy is a well-known purveyor of less-than credible statements from questionable sources. Please understand that Im not suggesting that he is planting mis-information. He actually believes all of this crap and will argue to the death in support of his fantasies. The so- called news coming from WorldNutDaily should never be taken too seriously and they always seem to have a stable of ex and former this and thats.

That being said I would agree that a bomb on Flight 990 is a possibility. But until the investigation is complete it is premature and irresponsible to insist that a bomb was at fault. Keep all of this in mind when dealing with Andy and take his input with a very small grain of salt.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 07, 1999.

Holy SHAT! I'm in agreement with Y2K Pro? AND Truth?

Andy has let the Meds wear off, he forgets. Happens a lot.

Hey Andy me boy, how exactly do these idiots figure out the cause with out having ANY physical evidence?

PLEASE TAKE THE LITTLE PILLS LIKE THE NICE NURSE TELLS YOU TO ANDY, PLEASE!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 07, 1999.

It's true that Northrop Grumman does a lot of work on things like this. I live in Dallas and Grumman is one of our customers....we sell them their engineering plastics.

-- grumman (grumman@net.com), November 07, 1999.

Gawd, it must be the weekend! Ole Andy, our little red-assed tooth fairy from across the pond has got his cut and paste juices flowing. Right behind him (no pun intended) comes his butt-buddy Hawk to further pimp his foolishness. And to top er off, who should appear out of nowhere but the all-time village idiot, Al-d. What a triple- header these three make. Still touting gold you little fruit?

-- From (ano@ther.thread), November 07, 1999.

Y2K PRO: Are you still here trying to save the forum regulars from themselves? You truly must be a paid shill with nothing better to do if you can afford the time to post non-information posts that any lacky-dimwit could punch out.

Are you one of those proverbial thousand monkeys hacking away on a thousand typewriters that out of sheer chance manages to construct several consecutive useless sentences?

Are you thinking REALLY hard about a plan to allow yourself to become the 1999 Darwin Award winner? It's not too late! We know you are capable of at least that much.

-- profit of doom (doom@helltopay.ca), November 07, 1999.

Since we're "outing" people here, let it be known that "Truth" is an establishment shill. To his mind (?) the establishment can do no wrong and never lies.

Now, as to subcontracting: Anyone who believes that Boeing or any other aerospace company designs and builds the whole thing is off in la-la land.
The nameplate may say Boeing; that means Boeing does the overaall design, specs, and final assembly. (But even then, some other outfit may install or completely modify the interior or even some avionics). Anyway, major assemblies and subassemblies can be and ARE DESIGNED and BUILT by SUBCONTRACTOR firms.

Now -- accident or bomb? We will never know the truth. It could have been an accident, and so the government will tell us. It could have been a bomb or missile, in which case the government is still likely to tell us it was an accidentm, for the reasons I outlined above. Anyone who thinks they can trust the U.S. government (or any other) to tell the truth is an idiot, plain and simple. That's why independent investigators, and why they are at least somewhat more credible than government flunkies.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 07, 1999.

A , you have said

Since we're "outing" people here, let it be known that "Truth" is an establishment shill. To his mind (?) the establishment can do no wrong and never lies.

Not true. I just prefer to see more data and facts prior to arriving at a conclusion. I respect your right to express your opinion but that doesnt mean I agree with your views. It might enhance your credibility if we had an idea what your credentials are. No need to flame out here, just give us some idea why you should be taken seriously.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 07, 1999.

Flight 990 was taken out by a scalar weapon fired from Montauk and controlled by Brookhaven. Same weapon took out JFK JR's plane and brought down FLight 800. After 800 the body of a stewardess was recovered with a metalic piece of the aircraft fused with her back; a scalar trademark.

-- scared (know@tomuch.com), November 07, 1999.

Truth,

Sorry mate but you ARE a shill.

You promote the gubbmint line, the status quo. You believe Reuters and AP are the free press don't you? You have a damn cheek attacking my credibility - if you had your way we would all be listening to piped musac and reading the watchtower.

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"Hey Andy me boy, how exactly do these idiots figure out the cause with out having ANY physical evidence?

PLEASE TAKE THE LITTLE PILLS LIKE THE NICE NURSE TELLS YOU TO ANDY, PLEASE!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 07, 1999."

Uncle, seems you have been popping one or two brewski's yourself, eh?

I took the nurse instead of the pills ok? is that PC enough for you?

Uncle I think you sucked in too much agent orange awhile back, that and your manchurian candidate experiences are working wonders in support of big brother after all these years.

Keep up the good work.

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As I said I believe you know-nothings above haven't read the Commander's report on TWA800. You also believe the Kennedy downing was an "accident", and the tooth fairy is real.

Remove your blinkers ladies and gents... there is more to 990 than meets the eye... much more.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 07, 1999.

OK "Truth" you annonymous Shill, read this report.

Same goes for you Uncle Brewski.

This is the calibre of person we are dealing with on the 990 preliminary analysis outlined above.

Donaldson knows what he's talking about - YOU guys are full of hot air my conspiracy-challenged friends.

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The Downing of TWA Flight 800

By Comdr. William Donaldson

The Unexplained Loss Of TWA Flight 800

By Cmdr. William S. Donaldson, III - USN,

Ret. Aviation Mishap Analyst P.O. Box 90, Clements, Maryland 20624

7-18-99

April 5, 1999

Mr. Philip M. Condit The Boeing Company

P.O. Box 3707,

Mail Code10-10 Seattle, WA 98124-2207

Mr. Gerald L. Gitner Trans World Airlines

One City Center 515 North Sixth St.

St. Louis, MO 63101

Re: The unexplained loss of TWA Flight 800

Gentlemen,

Over the last four months our investigation into the loss of TWA Flight 800 has produced information far surpassing that contained in our July 20, 1998 Interim Report to Congress. We can now prove, before a jury or other independent fact-finding body, that the aircraft was shot down. We can also explain why the Administration covered it up and expose some of the methods they employed to do so.

Your corporations are being scapegoated and defrauded by Administration officials because, had the truth about this incident been reported before November of 1996, it could have derailed the reelection of Clinton/Gore. Exposed now, it could send guilty parties to jail for Misprision of Felony Homicide.

We can provide your attorney's with witnesses, documents, or reference material that will support the following text: White House knowledge of a threat prior to the loss of TWA Flight 800.

1. The Administration knew that in 1996, surrogates from rogue states had access to MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defense Systems) or shoulder- fired missiles in mid-eastern weapons bazaars. $5,000 would acquire the least capable model, the Russian SA-7. $50,000 would buy the most capable, the Chinese Vanguard, a deadly new missile upgraded from US Stinger technology transferred to the Chinese in the early 90's. Superior to the Stinger, this missile has a much longer range. The Administration also knew Iran had a limited number of US Stinger missiles in inventory.

2. The Administration was aware that, worldwide, MANPADS missiles had already claimed 26 civil transport aircraft and was only a matter of time before a U.S. Flag carrier would be targeted and hit. They knew the Administration had dodged a bullet in 1994 when Maryland State Police found a fully armed French Mistral MANPADS missile ready to fire on its tripod directly under a busy northeastern air route.

3. In response to sanctions unilaterally levied against Iran by Mr. Clinton in 1995, Iranian surrogate's car bombed US troops in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and later smuggled MANPADS missiles into the US from across the Canadian border. Iranian officials warned the Administration that they considered enactment of the Iran/Libya Sanctions Act tantamount to an act of war!

4. When Mr. Clinton signed the Iran, Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, a decision was made by the Iranian Supreme Council to approve attacks on major American targets. Terrorist surrogate groups from nine countries were summoned to Tehran to meet with Iranian officials in June of 1996. Later that month, a huge truck bomb was deployed against the US Air Force barracks complex at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. Three weeks later, TWA Flight 800 was shot down only hours after an explicit warning of an attack was received in London and Washington that taunted the President.

5. The White House, the CIA and the FBI were aware of the threat and they knew preventing that attack was their primary responsibility.

6. We can show the Administration anticipated incorrectly that, if the missiles were used, they would be targeted against Olympic air traffic landing or taking off in the Atlanta area.

7. We can provide testimony that immediately after Flight 800 was shot down, Mr. Clinton called an FBI command post supporting the Olympics and informed them Flight 800 was downed with shoulder-fired missiles.

8. The White House, the CIA and the FBI political leadership have waged an unrelenting disinformation campaign from the onset. This has ranged from the White House spokesman stating, "Anyone in government that says this was a missile only has half a brain", and to the CIA cartoon that libeled hundreds of eyewitnesses.

Witnesses or "Untouchables"?

1. The day after Flight 800 was shot down, the Justice Department, helped by 1,000 FBI agents, began the process of converting hundreds of witnesses into the first American "untouchable cast". The political leadership of the NTSB aborted its mission in one surrender of its responsibilities after another. When the Justice Department illegally ordered the NTSB crash investigators to have no contact with witnesses or their statements, and the NTSB complied, the investigation was over, the cover-up and Misprision of Felony Homicide had begun.

2. At the NTSB Public Hearing in December of 1997, the word "witnesses" was not even mentioned. Before and since, they have been ridiculed, slandered and liabled in official videotapes and statements made by government spokesmen.

3. On March 15, 1999 the derailment of the Spirit of New Orleans after she hit a steel truck at a railroad crossing in Bourbonnaise IL, prompted a media wide call for witnesses by NTSB officials. It seems a witness was needed to prove the truck had driven around the safety gate. Apparently, investigations are much simpler and witnesses more creditable for the NTSB when there is no White House interest.

4. We have access to 107 witnesses on 4 aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations ashore. They were located in a 360 circle around the missile engagement. Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down. This is why the Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for 2 1/2 years and also one reason they are conducting a malicious show-trial prosecution of author and outside investigator James Sanders and his wife. It's hard to interview witnesses from a Federal prison. The FBI failed to identify and interview 17 of these people. Among these 17 are witnesses on a boat who may have seen the escaping shooter.

Justice Department suppression of Missile Evidence

1. It appears, aggressive FBI missile-team field agents eventually solved the problem as to the cause of the crash, but had no support in the FBI leadership. In fact, the FBI leadership seems to have deliberately withheld vital information from their own agents.

2. George Gabrial, the senior FBI Agent on Long Island and personal friend of Mr. Kalstrom, was a close witness on his boat. We can provide witnesses who overheard him say he believed what he observed was a missile. FBI missile-team members did not know he was a witness until we informed them.

3. The FBI has videotape that was shown to military experts of a missile shot from off the coast of Long Island that failed to engage a target. This first attempt was nearly coincidental to the Khobar Towers attack 3 weeks before Flight 800ms loss.

4. By late September, 1996, FBI missile-team members had established informal liaison with military missile guidance experts. By that time the FBI knew witnesses at sea on all sides were pointing to a missile launch a few miles southeast of Flight 800's explosion point. What they observed fit the profile of a MANPADS missile engagement.

5. In December 1996, FBI missile team members told military experts that two separate commercial fishermen dredged up and threw back a MANPADS first stage, the missile ejector-motor can. The ejector motor, about the size of a Coke can, fires in the tube, ejecting the missile, then drops in the water when the missile 2nd stage booster ignites.

6. The fishing vessel Alpha Omega recovered one of these motor cans in early October, 1996, while trawling for scallops about 2 nautical miles from Flight 800's explosion point. The crewman, not realizing the importance of his find, noted the two distinctive ignition wires attached to the can before he threw it overboard.

7. Despite overwhelming forensic evidence of a weapon impact in the number 2 main tank of the left wing and witness testimony of a missile attack, the Administration would not fund military missile experts or allow the FBI to trawl for missile parts until after the November 1996 elections.

8. The Alpha Omega was one of five trawlers contracted by the Navy Supervisor of Salvage for trawler operations. When FBI agents finally came aboard in November 1996 to begin trawling and brought pictures of three objects they were looking for, it was that point the crewman told them they were too late, he had already found and discarded an ejector can!

9. Responding to the previous findings, Special Agents Bongardt and Otto took a live ejector motor can from a Stinger missile aboard all the trawlers under contract, showing it to captain and crew.

10. Interrogated for hours, the Alpha Omega crewman insisted the can he found had the same features, ignition wires, etc. but was somehow different.

11. That interrogation should have prompted the FBI leadership to suspect they may have been dealing with the longer-range Chinese Vanguard or Russian SA16/18 missiles.

12. It is clear from the Supervisor of Salvage's operational trawling maps depicting "missile firing zones" and the FBI Trawling Operations Manual in our possession, that the Justice Department's intent was to find and hide from "other Interested Parties", missile ejector cans, missile battery cooling units and the last Flight 800 Scavenge Pump the NTSB was trying to blame as a source of a spark.

13. The $5 million trawling operation was funded by NTSB, contracted to civilian scallop boats through the Navy Supervisor of Salvage from 4 November 1996 until it was suddenly terminated on 30 April 1997, yet the trawlers were manned 24 hours a day by teams of FBI agents. Up until 30 April 1997 the scallop boat captains had been told the operation would continue indefinitely for months or even years. FBI agents got the word via cell phone to shut down the operations. On two of the boats, when the captains refused to stop until the Navy contractor on board told them to, the agents threatened force to make the captains shut down. The first agent backed down when the captain told him he would go anywhere at gunpoint, but the agent could expect to be charged with piracy on the high seas when they got ashore. The second agent backed down when the captain informed him that he was armed also and he was the captain and they weren't going anywhere!

14. The FBI's trawling plan was flawed in the following ways.

a. The missile firing zones depicted on the charts were 1.75 NM and 2.7 NM radius circles. These distances are accurate for two types of MANPADS but the Chinese Vanguard exceeds those ranges.

b. They used the last transponder response from the aircraft as the aircraft explosion point. The aircraft was travelling east over 2,900 feet between each transponder response. A two-second error would move the trawling off by 1/4 mile.

c. They failed to notice, until December 1996, a recorded surface radar contact only 2.9 NM from Flight 800 when it exploded!

d. They failed to identify that boat!

e. They failed to adjust the trawling lines to cover that boat's surface track while it was in range of TWA Flight 800.

15. The FBI told military experts they had a witness who perfectly described a MANPADS engagement terminating in an impact on Flight 800ms left wing root. It includes boost; sustainer-motor burn and total missile fly-out time typical of the US Stinger and its copies.

16. Military thermal imaging of B747-100ms provided to the FBI by China Lake Naval Air Weapons Facility, indicate a MANPADS missile fired from a low forward quarter would guide toward the three air pack exhaust ports, directly under the center wing tank and not, as publicly stated for the engine nacelles. See attached

Thermal Imaging.

17. Military computer modeling of the TWA 800 engagement, using Stinger data, shows the missilems velocity would degrade to 400 meters per second as it climbed through 13,700 ft. This would cause the circular error probability (CEP) to expand to 20 ft. or more, allowing an impact almost anywhere on the aircraft.

18. Stinger guidance technology provides a last instant steer- forward command to avoid a miss by flying through an engine exhaust plume. Such a command would explain a missile, fired from in front, steering for the air pack exhausts under the center wing, impacting forward on the left wing root leading edge.

19. The Stinger, for example, has a two-pound warhead with three fusing options, contact, penetration and time-out.

20. Using stinger missile fly-out data provided to the FBI by military experts, the combined velocity of missile body and aircraft at impact would be 1950 ft/sec.

21. If the cockpit voice recorder hasn't been tampered with, an audio laboratory should be able to discern this velocity through its analysis of recorded frequencies. This may be why the NTSB has refused to allow the Cockpit Voice Recorder group to convene and study the data generated from the Bruntingthorpe tests done in England.

22. E = MV2 would predict kinetic energy available at impact of over 1.2 million foot pounds.

23. The kinetic energy from a missile body entering the number two main, f full of fuel, at mach 1.8 would cause the tank to burst from hydraulic overpressurization.

24. Fused for penetration, the two-pound high explosive warhead, bursting in the fuel could impart an additional 200-PSI spike of hydraulic ram overpressure.

25. Jet fuel is over 700 times the density of air. A MANPADS missile warheadms fragments would be stopped in a few feet of fuel, negating high velocity fragment damage to aircraft components. Mr. Kalstromms public statements repeatedly used the lack of high velocity fragment damage as an excuse to ignore witnesses and shutdown the investigation.

26. The Navy China Lake missile impact "Quick Look Engineering Study" identified 4 criteria for expected damage if a shoulder fired missile hit a 747-100 inboard main fuel tank. All four are caused by hydraulic over pressurization of fuel tanks. All four are in evidence on the left wing. None of these criteria have ever been seen in previous air crashes.

27. The China Lake reportms first two recommendations were to detonate shoulder-fired missile warheads in fuel tanks to determine if the fragments would be trapped and to do live firing of these missiles at inboard main tanks to compare to left wing damage on Flight 800.

28. Mr. Kalstrom ignored all seven recommendations; cherry picked statements out of the China Lake report and used them out of context in the media to argue the aircraft was not shot down.

29. When Mr. Kalstrom was faced with having to take action on the China Lake report he chose to shut down the investigation.

30. At the time the FBI investigation was prematurely shut down in November of 1997, the FBI had failed to identify a fast moving boat captured on radar only 2.9 nautical miles from Flight 800 when it exploded. Mr. Schirilo, who replaced Mr. Kalstrom, admitted that fact in a letter to Congressman Traficant.

31. After his retirement, Mr. Kalstrom was taped stating the boat captured on radar was really a helicopter. Considering the radar target was non-transponder and was tracked on the surface at speed below 36 knots for 35 minutes prior to disappearing over the horizon, even FBI agents have acknowledged Mr. Kalstromms excuse is nonsense.

32. Witnesses afloat and ashore observed a six second missile burn (Stinger rocket burn is 6 seconds) coming from the near vicinity of the unidentified boat.

33. Senior Justice Department officials need to be compelled to answer under oath why testing essential to determine if Flight 800 was brought down by a shoulder fired missile was not funded and why they ignored the forensic evidence, military experts, witnesses and their own FBI field agents.

The search for the Black Boxes

1. Discovery of the plight of the Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder and their two Ducane pingers, after water entry, may be the key to unlocking the cover-up. We can show a Grand Jury how Mr. Clinton personally involved himself.

2. The NTSB is extremely sensitive to the subject of Black Boxes. They opened the boxes without any investigators from the Interested Parties present. They refused to allow TWA's investigator to listen to the voice recorder more than once.

3. The Voice Recorder has a "sound like damaged tape" precisely seven seconds prior to its end. Seven seconds prior to missile impact would be coincidental to MANPADS booster ignition. A visually bright event that could be seen by the First Officer.

4. Dr. Loeb has refused to release Addendum number two to the Flight Data Recorder Analysis that was written to rebut our interpretation of the last data line. The NTSB even refuses to let the Voice Recorder Analysis group reconvene!

5. The Administration's explanation of the circumstances under which the USS Grasp" divers found the Digital Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder is highly questionable.

6. According to divers we interviewed and the Navy Supervisor of Salvage Report, Navy divers from the USS Grasp found the recorders during Dive #2 and Dive #3 on the evening of 23 July 1996. The Administration maintains these same divers found them more than 24 hours later at 2330 hours on 24 July 1996. East coast TV news coverage ends at 23:30.

7. The most probable motive for this deception was to ensure investigators, who are Parties to the Investigation, were not witnesses when NTSB/FBI officials were alleged to have first opened the boxes in Washington during the early morning hours of 25 July 1996.

8. The boxes should have been found in the aircraft tail cone section, or within its debris. Instead, divers from the Grasp found each box 30 feet apart on a hard sand bottom, devoid of any attached debris and neither Ducane Pinger was operating. They appeared just as they would if dropped overboard from a boat!

9. Somehow both Ducane Systems fixed themselves while in FBI custody. They were found to be fault-free in laboratory test days later.

10. The small cylindrical Ducane Pingers are mounted on the narrow front face of each oblong rectangular box. They are protected from damage because they are bolted firmly to the inside angle of a short piece of angle iron. Because of their shape, the probability of either free falling box landing on the bottom with the pinger stuck in the sand, would be akin to a free falling domino landing on it's end and remaining standing in that position.

11. The only way Ducane Pingers can be silenced under water without evidence of damage is by partly unscrewing the battery connection.

12. The probability of both undamaged Ducane Pingers failing simultaneously in a shallow open ocean environment, on top of a hard sand bottom, approaches that of a spontaneous aviation kerosene explosion in an ignition-free Boeing 747-100 fuel tank.

13. We consider the fact the NTSB has remained mute about these alleged Ducane failures is Prima Facie evidence of either abject incompetence on the part of the NTSB who should have opened an inquiry into the cause, or proof of a cover-up of NTSB misconduct.

14. Weeks Marine, Inc. was verbally contracted by both the Coast Guard and FAA officials the night of the crash to position for salvage operations. They were on site the next morning with the best salvage equipment available in the Atlantic. It was superior to Navy assets, but Weeks Marine was stood down by the NTSB. It would be five more days before Navy divers would be on scene to recover recorders, bodies, etc! Why the forced wait?

15. Holding Weeks Marine, Inc. to standby while ordering Navy assets to respond from far away points deliberately condemned victims trapped in bottom wreckage to five additional days of ravage by natural elements. This grossly compounded the grief of the families and put at risk the ability of medical examiners to identify all remains. The White House was responsible for this order.

16. Circumstantial evidence indicates the Administration, knowing the aircraft to be shot down, may have ordered a covert recovery, laboratory examination and reinsertion of the recorders to ensure the aircrew did not describe the attack on audio tape. Scuba divers could have recovered the recorders on the afternoon of 18 July and dropped them back overboard after 10 am 22 July, before the USS Grasp and Navy divers were on scene. During that period of time NOAA research vessel Rude and the motor vessel Pirouette were simultaneously sent 5 miles off the main debris field on a "wild goose chase" by the NTSB. Both ships had been mapping that field with side scan sonar!

17. Properly done, a scuba team equipped with a Ducane locator amplifier tube, held over the side, could position a small boat directly over active Pingers, dive and recover the boxes in a single effort. Active pingers can be detected by divers300 yards away.

18. We have a witness that has passed a polygraph test and has provided a sworn affidavit that a member of the NTSB leadership told him the recorders were found and examined by 20 July. The Coast Guard told both TWA maintenance and Congressman Forbes that the recorders were found on 18 July. The next day, 19 July, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was told the aircraft was shot down by terrorists. Senators Hatch and D'Amato made public statements to the same effect.

19. White House, NTSB and Justice Department officials need to be compelled to explain these events and their actions under oath. We also have other individuals who have asked to remain anonymous who should be questioned under oath.

20. Despite a steep learning curve and the best efforts of some if its most aggressive field agents, FBI leadership has demonstrated itself to be functionally illiterate in the critical areas of; military weapons and tactics, radar interpretation and air crash investigation. The fact the White House failed to immediately assign appropriate elements of the Department of Defense as lead investigators in the missile inquiry is inculpatory.

21. Gentlemen, we have the "FBI Trawler Operations Manual" and Operations Order as well as other documents left behind aboard a contract boat by FBI agents. If found, the Justice Department intended to hide from your companies; the last fuel scavenge pump, a missile ejector can and the missile battery cooling unit!

TWA Flight 800 was the 27th civil aircraft shot down worldwide by shoulder fired missiles. The Administrationms actions have greatly increased the danger of a recurrence, not only because of the deception of this case but because administration policy deliberately fails to link any terrorist act to the government of the Sponsor State. This provides political cover for the Administration's lack of action and sanctuary to deadly enemies. I will point out the coincidence of the Clinton Administration's pro Arab, anti Israeli policy shift and the arrival on our shores of a creditable anti- aircraft threat under the control of rogue states. In 1994, the Maryland State Police found a fully armed French MANPADS missile, the Mistral, ready to fire on its tripod, directly under a heavily used air corridor near Westminster Maryland. Our research also found U.S. Stinger technology transferred to China in the early 90ms enabling them to produce the Vanguard, a quality shoulder fired Chinese missile. It was deployed first in 1996. If past history is an indicator, the China / Iran weapons transfer link bodes ill for future air commerce.

In a worse case scenario, absent a respected American Commander-in- Chief, Iranms Supreme Council, or other rogue state, could successfully shutdown or disrupt major traffic hubs worldwide by activating surrogate cells armed with Vanguard. If they can shoot down one, why not a half dozen on a single day? Gentlemen, the time to act is now, regardless of any arrangements you may or may not have had to accept. Once the American people understand the truth, your corporations will be indemnified against any further political extortion from this administration. We would ask, in the interest of long term air safety, that you take an aggressive and public pro- active stance. Challenge the Administration; educate the media and the electorate. Severance from a politicized and fraudulent Federal investigation is no penalty and maintenance of the status quo is certainly no prize.

Sincerely,

William S. Donaldson

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 07, 1999.

Buu..buu...but our government wouldn't LIE to us, would it? (Sob, sniff, wipe nose with sleeve.) It CAN'T lie to us. (Sound of foot stamping.) Signed "Truth" :-)

BTW, "Truth" I've been around the block many times in, shall we say, several different types of, but related, technical fields, at many types of firms using technology. I doubt that even posting my resume would satisfy you, even if I was willing to do so.

"the thing speaks for itself." A is A.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 08, 1999.

00:30 PST 1999-11-08
Radio news flash -- Boeing in Seattle is investingating possiblity that Flight 800 was downed by a missile. Has hired private investigators.

Right on Andy!! What think of THAT, Mr. Truth?

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 08, 1999.

A,

I think if it's true then KUDOS!!! to Boeing - let's face it, all these incidents are not doing Boeing's safety reputation any good at all...

We all know they make good planes, I've done hundreds and hundreds of trips on Boeings and am perfectly happy with them... they DON'T just fall from the sky like this...

Truth wouldn't know it if it bit him in the arse.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 08, 1999.

Yep! Government shill, thats me. I have a few moments before my driver arrives to take me to my subterranean offices at NSA and thought I would respond to the posts by A is A and Andy. You two are so clever to have figured out that a missile has once again downed another commercial airliner. You must admit that we have been successful in keeping these missiles secret from all known radar and satellite observation. Wanna know how we do dat? Oops! Sorry have to run. Im scheduled to meet with the Supreme Commander of the Vloxan forces this morning. The Bligton Empire is very upset over recent losses in the gold market and is demanding someone pay for their foolish advice. We have selected a candidate and will be processing this individual as soon as the HIV results are in.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 08, 1999.

It was cyber terrorism. Some terroist group sent a signal from a pc interlinked to cell phone with net capabilities, such as my nextel, that shut down the planes computer system in flight. Some one on the inside at EygptAir gave his brothers in the Islamic Holy war the info they needed to pull it off. You can cause planes to drop from the sky with the click of a mouse now.

-- Survivalist (AK47inNC@aol.com), November 08, 1999.