Is the NWO *un*related to the Federal Govt.'s approach to y2k?

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To all y2k interested folks, and those who surveil them for the purpose of ridicule:

The following, way-too-long post (apologies in advance) began as a response to a person who expressed an inspiring (or terrifying) level of confidence in the intent of the FBI. ----------------------------- You've stated your questions well as regards the NWO, and they are reasonable.

Here are a few answers for you:

You write:

>>"First, there really are violent groups in the US."

Correct. The question is, how much of a threat are they really? Do they warrant federal action, or can the local police handle them?

I think you'll find, if you care to look into it, that agent provocateurs (sp?) are involved in many of these groups. This latter fact was well known during the McCarthy era, when a film called "I was a Communist for the FBI" came out, and won an ocsar, revealing that many of the "international communist conspirators" drummed up by J. Edgar Hoover were merely groups of harmless misfits stoked into frenzy, and even populated, by the FBI itself.

To get a sense for how this sort of covert action works, there are a number of references I could give, just start a new thread called "Conspiracies theories v. conspiracy facts" or something to that effect, and I'll give some links, etc.

>>>"Isn't it the *job* of the FBI to identify such groups, and alert police departments to be aware of them?"

Yes, and it is a totally appropriate role for them merely to notify. However, I really couldn't say much for any man or woman who, in light of recent events, thinks "notification" is the furthest extent of the FBI's intention. Emails are not tanks, faxes are not pyrotechic projectiles. These may be subtle distinctions, but it is important to keep them in mind.

>>>"Sure, the FBI might be a bit overcautious in this respect and might be exaggerating the problem such groups may represent, but it's best for law enforcement agencies to err on the side of caution as a matter of policy."

You are far more pious than I care to be about the FBI's "caution." Look into the nature of the HRT (Hostage rescue team), and it should become clearer very quickly that the community's safety is not of concern in most of these "Operations."

>>>"Better to be prepared for what doesn't happen, than to be taken by surprise by what does happen."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>>"But what does this have to do with the NWO or a UN takeover or foreign troops or some mysterious "they" who plan to do awful things to us for reasons never mentioned?"

There really is not much mystery about who holds effective control over most of the world's governments. To pick an example from recent events, the recent coup in Pakistan was a direct result of economic hardships imposed by IMF restrictions on the economy. The recent mass-killing of East Timorese is an *in*-direct result of our nation's Central Intelligence Agency training death squads in Indonesia (in 1967 we even compiled "death lists" for these death squads; of course they were a little too cautious there as well, killing 120,000 instead of the 5 or 6 thousand listed).

Those are two incidents which appear to be organic, independent, domestic political events to the majority of people gauging them. I've really just picked these incidents virtually at random, and hope you'll not just dismiss them as "conspiracy theory," merely because the notion seems implausible that they are intimately related to globalist institutions, what George Bush articulated as the "New World Order."

It is my own feeling that such incidents, and I include Operation Meddino, or whatever the FBI is calling it, a part of a larger strategy, or system of interlocking strategies, on the part of those financial, and corporate institutions which own World Bank, World Trade Organization, Central Intelligence, Federal Reserve, as well as the corporations which receive material, political, even covert military assistance by these agencies.

Am I saying that "NWO" as Bush called it, is some monolithic, all-controling, omniscient, invisible group of back-room meeting men? Nope. Just a network of powerful people working very very hard to establish and operate powerful institutions, and influence policy. Anyone who looks into WTO, IMF, UN, the Fed, IRS, CIA, and doesn't see the interconnections should be properly regarded as weak-minded. Granted, many who do see the connections are also weak-minded and are only correct by accident, but that does not excuse the rationale that it is somehow better to err on the side of ignorance.

It's just that simple.

>>>>"If anything, such responses only reinforce the credibility of the FBI's concerns."

So... the FBI has probable cause to detain and/or question and/or surveil me for my seeing things the way I do?

For example, I see the CIA-led coup in Guatemala in 1954 as a part of a larger strategy to aid large corporations and undermine national sovereignty. They didn't care a damn for how that would impact the average Jose. During the 60's when the FBI infiltrated civil rights groups, and even helped to set the stage for the assassinations of some of the civil rights leaders (such as Medgar Evars and Martin Luther King), they didn't care a damn about civil rights.

I see a similar rationale and strategy at work in "domestic enemy" campaigns such as convincing people that all people who are concerned about y2k are "communists," oh wait, we're done scaring people with that one, so lets try "cyberterrorist doomonger Christian cult patriot militia members."

Friend, I don't even own a gun. And you think I, and people whose analysis closely mirrors mine, are a legitimate targets of federal law enforcement?!

That is perfectly frightening.

"Apparently there really are potentially violent, fanatical people for whom reality is irrelevant. A sobering thought."

Your words suggest that you are far from sober in your own thinking, and that the reality of the FBI, as an institution, for you is, well, irrelevant.

I hope you'll drop your deJagerist "all who withdraw money or buy food are enemies of the state" approach, within your reasonable search for answers in how people conceive of the nature of New World Order. Such an approach demonizes the legitimate concerns shared by many Americans, and is unworthy of thoughtful people such as yourself.

Best,

sean

-- Sean (nwo@is_it_all_THAT.mysterious?), October 31, 1999

Answers

Global money uses ideological groups like the pincers; the appearance of them working against eachother is an illusion, even to high-level members. The purpose is to catch the people in the middle, and advance the agenda. "Problems" are created, and decried to the public, they wait until the public complains that they "do something," then "solutions" are introduced - pre-planned solutions which the earlier manufactured "problems" were tailored to in the first place.

In the case of the FBI, their COINTELPRO operation did just this. You can read about it right here:

http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html

After COINTELPRO, the evidence tampering at Ruby Ridge, and Waco, the FBI's credibility is shot. Sorry, guys, most of you are the best Americans there are: you just didn't watch who you worked for.

You know, we are either going to give our beloved, rotten-boweled Rebublic the enema it sorely needs, or it's going to die. Either we're going to wake up and share this information, acknowledge it publically and demand that the media media cartel ceases it's lies and press-release parroting, or we're going down the tubes. Marxist drug runners control the Executive, for godsakes! They're awash with Chinese money, and their lawyers had the Communist Chinese for clients! (Read "Year of the Rat" or "Betrayed" on amazon.com for substantiation of this, and more info that the New York Times and the Washington Post are sitting on). The pretense of a free society is falling away as the guns of American tanks are being trained on American citizens, and as we are being conditioned to accept a military police state. We have to sound the alarm, stand up for the truth, assert our right as Americans to challenge the government and hold it accountable to the Constitution, and to our will as the electorate.

WE THE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to oppose globalism, damn you bullies and liars for the dogs that you are! WE THE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to believe in the Apocalypse of Saint John, or any other religious belief we choose! WE THE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and it SHALL NOT be infringed! WE THE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to be SECURE IN OUR PERSONS AND EFFECTS!

All these rights are not granted by the government; the government is our servant, the servant of A FREE PEOPLE GOVERNING THEMSELVES. These rights exist because we exist. They are part of us, part of who we are, even when they are violated - remember that always, no matter what happens. No government gives us these rights, and NO GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE THEM AWAY!

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 31, 1999.


I think the New World Order controlled media and government puppet organizations like the CIA and FBI are being used to manufacture this whole fictitious scenario to give them an excuse to take out some of their most vocal opponents.

They are certainly aware of those who are onto their game and sharing this information with the world, people such as David Icke and several others who are talking up a storm and putting their scam at risk of being exposed.

These special Operation Meddino teams are going to be keeping a close eye on certain individuals, and will probably frame those they see as a serious threat. They'll create some kind of bogus bomb scheme or something, plant all kinds of weapons in the guys house and say "look, we caught him red-handed, and he was going to blow up the U.N. building." This will keep most of the sheeple and gullibles like Flint believing that NWO conspiracy theorists are all lunatics that should be locked up.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), October 31, 1999.


Liberty and Hawk:

Well done. Great responses. I had COINTELPRO in mind when writing what I did, along with much of what you've mentioned. I think the notion of "pincers" is an apt analogy Liberty, as well as the "enema" needed.

Best to you both,

sean

-- sean (yep@right.on), October 31, 1999.


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