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Quote from member of JCS. Asteroid Inbound, ETA; 7 November! Impact point; North Atlantic! If you're east of the Appalachians or south of Memphis, you're TOAST!!!!

-- Rocket Man (Kiss@YourAsteroidGoodbye.com), October 28, 1999

Answers

You wouldn't be so kind as to document this bit of news would you... You know end of the world as we know it and all that, why some people might not want to take your word for it. No offense meant there Rocket Man, we are all sure you are a solid citizen...

I shall kiss my A**teroid goodbye, just bend this way a bit, my sweet little A**teroid...

-- (...@.......), October 28, 1999.


Yes! Jesus the Rock is coming. Fall on the Rock and be saved. Otherwise He will fall on you and be ground exceedingly fine.

Praise God! He is coming.

sdb

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), October 28, 1999.


Please don't feed the trolls.

-- Please don't (feed@the.trolls), October 28, 1999.

Transcript from Art Bell

http://bbs.rowlandnet.com/cgi-bin/WebX?14@@.ee774eb/0

AB: We have so much to talk about with my guests, Dr. Thomas Van Flandern, and Richard C. Hoagland, and so here they are again.

Richard, you called me... hmm, weeks ago now, and you said, "Art, something is uh, there are going to be impacts. We're getting information that there are going to be three impacts on the earth, November 7th."

And I said Richard, there's no way in hell you can go on the air and say anything like that. You know, you'll scare the hell out of people. And then it blew up all over the internet, and the rumor now is everywhere. I mean, the rumor seems to be that during the last eclipse of the sun there were some things sighted coming our way, "something wicked this way cometh," or whatever, and that these three things would impact.

They even suggested where they would impact. In Canada, in the Atlantic Ocean, I think, and then there was one other impact point off Africa or something.

Anyway, the net effect would be, the entire eastern seaboard would go under water, blah, blah, blah, Europe, I'm sure, and Africa. So really, a sort of Armageddon-type rumor that's out there. And that's all it is as far as I know, is a rumor.

Now, you thought, when you originally called me, it was more than that. And you've begun to modify what you think about that. So, I don't know were to start here. First of all, were there anomalous objects seen during the eclipse, number one? Is that true or false? Richard?

Oh... Richard. I just went through all that and Richard dropped off the line. Sheesh. I can't believe it.

Um, Tom, let me ask you that. Do you know offhand, before we go anywhere else at all, whether there were anomalous objects sighted during the eclipse?

TVF: Well, there were um, there was a video taken at one particular location, not far, by the way from where our group was, and there were some odd things in those frames.

They looked to me like artifacts rather than objects out there. The fact is that if they were objects in space they would have to have been gigantic.

AB: Allright, allright. That being said, hold on a second. Let me see if I can get Richard back. I just..., I can't believe this has happened. I don't know where I put his phone number now. Why do these things happen? Here it is, allright. So I'm going to try to get Richard back, and we'll be right back.

{Break.}

AB: Allright. Richard, you didn't disconnect to avoid that question, did you?

RH: Oh, of course not. I heard the whole question. I was kind of wondering when you'd notice that I was not there.

AB: Well, allright. So anyway, you're back. So, you called me originally, right? And you, at that point, were pretty convinced that something horrible was going to happen November 7th.

RH: Let's say that I was suspicious of every aspect of this. But look. Our form of public policy is: you can't avoid and ignore something of enormous import just because you don't like the way it might come out. You've got to pursue it, you've got to investigate it. And we have, in the last six weeks since you and I did the show, and since you had Lloyd Albright on -- remember the NASA scientist who went and hid in a cave, who was the computer guy?

AB: I remember him.

RH: Who was fleeing from Cape Canaveral, who thought there were going to be comet impacts, and the sheriff found him trying to cook eggs. AB: Yup. Totally bizarre story.

RH: Yeah. Well, we have been doing our due diligence literally day and night. And I have had calls from intelligence agents that I know; I have had calls from intelligence agents that I don't know. I've had sources from as far away as Europe looking. I've talked with people who have had first-hand meetings with NASA astronomers that they've known for years and years. I have talked with former members of the national security council, who are looking into this, and who have had their own, you know, misgivings and disquietude around this whole thing. And frankly, tonight we do not have an answer yet. It is an open question.

AB: Allright, lets go back...

RH: It is a serious question.

AB: Yeah, lets go back to the genesis. Now, there were objects seen during the eclipse. Which, and I asked Tom about that when I found out you weren't there, and he said they had to be artifacts because if they were actual objects they would be enormous.

RH: He's absolutely right. Now, let me clarify. You know, this why I don't like doing this science in real time on the radio or television. Because to really understand what's going on, to get to the truth, requires a lot of hard work and elbow grease and thinking and cross-correlating, and throwing out noise. And in this arena, you have the problem that scientists don't normally have. I mean, Tom is a scientist. Tom does not deal with what you and I, Art, deal with every single day, which is disinformation.

AB: Tons of it, yeah.

RH: People who send us stuff which is garbage.

AB: Absolutely.

RH: Designed to one of two things: either confuse everybody, so events take place and are unbeknownst.

AB: Or, discredit us.

RH: Or, discredit.

AB: Right. But, you know, it eventually became so rampant on the internet, that I had to report on the rumors. I just simply had to, and so I did. And I've not gone farther than that. And you're present conclusion is: you don't know.

RH: I do not know. But, we are avidly pursuing this. It is a definite priority. It's -- the stakes are serious. I can tell you that, you know, we've reached into the Pentagon, we've reached into the Clinton White House press conference this afternoon. We've left no stone unturned. And there are elements of this that unfortunately seem to be more substantial than just a rumor. Now, we have Tom with us, so I'd like to run through a couple of things with Tom.

AB: Allright.

RH: First of all, Tom is correct. If those objects seen on that video had been real objects in space, somewhere beyond the sun or beyond it, in let's say the Beta Taurid stream orbit, they would have been humongous to be seen. So that was my first clue that they could not be real objects. But they could be -- and this is going to get difficult to explain briefly -- they could be symbolic objects. And what do I mean by that? If somebody is trying to let us gently know that something is coming, in terms of an outer space extra-terrestrial prime directive scenario, where they don't interfere, but they kind of give you clues, they might show up in this fashion. Now, what we did find in looking at this model, is an image taken from the Mir spacecraft.

AB: Oh?

RH: Looking sideways, looking at ninety degrees over Turkey, at the same time that video was being shot by the NASA cameras from the ground.

AB: And?

RH: There are two bright objects hovering over Turkey in orbit. And we -- I have the image. I will send you the image.

AB: Allright.

RH: The geometry is such that if you're standing on the ground, they are at, by the way, thirty-three degrees, looking up toward the sun, you would have seen these objects near the sun. They were relatively close, you know, a couple hundred miles upstairs if this is a correct model, if this is a correct model of what we're seeing. The Soviets put out this image. Of all the images they could have put out. Oh, not the Soviets, the Russians.

AB: The Russians, yes.

RH: They pick this image to put out. With no comment.

AB: Tom, you're an astronomer.

TVF: Yes.

AB: If our government, with its secret satellites in orbit, and eyes in space and all the rest of it, did know about substantial objects headed toward earth, would they tell us?

TVF: I happen to know Brian Marsden at the IAU Central Telegram Bureau very well. He's the man who would have to make that decision. And he was a classmate of mine at Yale University, back when we both did our PhD work. He has given me and everyone else assurances.

AB: That he'd tell us, huh?

TVF: That he would tell us. That in the effort to get confirmation, the word would go out to astronomers all over the world. That there are objects headed that -- in orbit -- that could possibly impact earth, and therefore, we need confirmation. The only way to be sure of something like that is to get observations. Many, many of them over a long period of time.

AB: But as far as you know, there is no rumor running around the astrological community.

RH. You mean astronomical.

AB: Astronomical, I'm sorry. That um, that sounds anything like this. TVF: Not at all. And I'm kind of nonplussed by Richard's last remark because I had a group in my own expedition to see the eclipse, just south of the Black Sea in Turkey, and we -- there were fifty of us -- and we didn't see any objects in space near the sun.

RH: No, but you were several hundred miles away from where the NASA cameras were. And, remember when I asked you on your videos if there was anything?

TVF: Yes, that's right.

RH: And I've asked other people who went. The only cameras where these objects showed up were the cameras at that one location. Well, that immediately, if you're not looking at, you know, reflections or some kind of aberration in the optical system -- and they way the objects changed during the eclipse kind of moved me away from that idea -- it would mean it was local, meaning it somehow was between those observers and the sun. And the fact that one of them appeared to be between the moon and the earth, which of course is impossible for an object in space beyond the sun. So that made me think that there was something in that line of sight designed to be picked up by the official NASA camera located at that latitude and longitude.

AB: Allright. But at this point there's no reason for anybody in this audience who's listening to believe that anything is going on at all, other than a lot of heavy rumors on the internet. And...

RH: Well, lets, let me do a couple of the numbers here. The asteroid searches that are being conducted by people that feed their data into Marsden are limited by the brightness and distance of the objects they can detect. In other words, the farther away and the smaller the object, the less likely it is you're going to find it in these open, above-board searches.

AB: That, you would agree with that Tom?

TVF: Yes.

RH: Ok. The objects that we're talking about are on the order of maybe fifty, sixty meters, tops. They're not big, mile-size things. They're less than half a football field.

AB: Then how have we seen them?

RH: Ah, this is what gets important, because the sourcing is coming from military sources, or people who are talking to military sources. AB: Or people who claim...

RH: Well, yeah, exactly. Everything is a claim. But we're looking now at some pretty credible people that I've been in touch with. And you have been provided with some data. And you're going to talk to these people, and...

AB: I know that Mike Bara is trying to vet right now, the very important source that we think we've got.

RH: Well, I've also brought Steve Bassett into this.

AB: Oh, have you?

RH: Bassett is meeting tomorrow with the person we're discussing. He already has had extensive conversations. He's been provided with documents and background.

AB: This person claims background in the Carter administration. He claims NSA background, and...

RH: We have checked with congressmen. It turns out he's a real person. We checked. You know, the whole point is, this so important not to go ahead of yourself on.

AB: And it could also easily be total disinformation. After all, it has happened to us before.

RH: Oh, of course it's happened before. But you cannot -- you know, it's like everytime the police get a bomb scare, you can't ignore it. AB: That's right.

RH: You can't say, oh well, I'm not going to pay attention to that one.

AB: So, ok. So...

RH: What I want to do with Tom on the air, because Tom, of course is an expert in his field, it to get a convergence of data here, that if the black ops part of this government has national technical means that can find things in space that the conventional civilian astronomy community cannot find easily...

AB: Is that possible, Tom? In your opinion?

TVF: Yes, to a certain degree. But, uh...

RH: Then it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the conventional civilian community would not know of these objects, and the insiders in the Pent..., in the military, would have a line. In that vein, Stephen Greer, who has been on your show many times, and who I know very well...

AB: Yes.

RH: The last time he was on a few weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, you asked him a question relating to sources in the Pentagon, indicating something of this nature.

AB: That's right.

RH: And he gave you a very tentative positive response.

AB: I know.

RH: I found out a few days ago from a correspondent who called me from Rome, that Stephen and Robert Dean were at a conference in Rome earlier this year in April, about a month after my heart attack. So I was not paying attention at that point to anything. And apparently, Stephen Greer, in the open conference said there were three objects headed this way, obviously from his Pentagon contacts. Now my question to everyone, and to Stephen, and to you, is why didn't he tell you this the other night? Why didn't he tell me when I met with him in San Francisco, and why hasn't he talked about this openly in any conference in this country?

AB: Allright. We'll let all that hang in the air and we'll let Stephen answer it. By the way, switching topics again because we can't go any further with this. I mean, not re

-- maybe... (maybe@n.o.t), October 28, 1999.


He's referring to the website article by Richard Hoagland and the Enterprise Mission regarding rumors of an impending "Deep Impact" or "Armageddon" type event in which the rumor has it that 1 or perhaps 3 small objects (smaller than a football field) are being tracked for entry into Earth's atmosphere on Nov 6/7. Supposedly rumors have been substantiated by a former National Security Council staffer under the Carter Administration and also by a UFO research group who's Pentagon contacts supposedly confirmed such an event.

Take this all with a few grains of salt... it's still just a rumor and not even the Hoagland/Enterprise article states it to be true, just that there might be some merit to it, IF its not disinformation. Which, it might be disinformation in advance of Y2K martial law preps. Who knows??? But I wouldn't get too excited. Anyway, here's the URL:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/bismark.htm

-- Dick Moody (dickmoody@yahoo.com), October 28, 1999.



Richard Hoagland is a funny guy. He reminds me of a tomato, because it's hard to tell whether he is a vegetable or a fruit.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 28, 1999.

Okay now. I guess I need to know if this is going to happen before or after the Russians (or is it the Chinese) nuke us? and has this been confirmed with contrails? and...can these asteroid things hurt my rice and bean supplies?

Gotta know these things

sincerely,

-- Psychotic (y2k@doom&gloom.com), October 28, 1999.


Why do you think that they are working so hard on a missle defence project and want to give it to the russians and anyone else in the world, think about it , lots of chatter about this missle defence thing in the last few months, lets put it this way i am on the mountan and i am not comming down!!!

-- mongo (mongo2@prodigy.net), October 28, 1999.

Anyone recall the NASA employee (Albright?) who was arrested for stocking and hiding out in a cave? Same event?

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), October 28, 1999.

Will, yes, the guy in the cave was concerned about "this" comet, Encke it's named, and not comet Lee as some assumed.

However, after reading through a lot of Hoaglands website, especially his beliefs that many objects (rocks) photographed on the moon resemble Howlitzer tanks, I think he is a little, um, off the deep end. Here is a person who REALLY DOES make a living off of alarming people with images of doom. I still like him though, in general.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), October 28, 1999.



Write back & let everyone know if all the marine , navy , & coastguard start exiting from the east coast next week.

-- just wondering (Me@here.com), October 28, 1999.

Woo woo alert!

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), October 28, 1999.

Hoaxland is full of it. It's just typical Art Bell lunacy. Sometimes I enjoy listening to Art Bell, but I usually turn it off when Hoaxland comes on.

-- Tim the Y2K nut (tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu), October 28, 1999.

We don't need a 'missle defense system' as it pertains to incoming objects from space. We already have one. It's called HAARP.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 28, 1999.

Did anyone happen to watch the 700 Club today? Most curious topic: Biblical prophetic descriptions that seem to suggest a meteor strike. Pat Robertson made what might be construed as a veiled warning. MOST curious timing.

-- chairborne commando (what-me-worry@armageddon.com), October 28, 1999.


These asteroid predictions are a lot of CRAP!!! Please stop wasting our time with these red herrings.

-- Ohio Bob (ohiobob@buckeyestate.com), October 28, 1999.

ohio sucks

-- MONGO (mongo2@prodigy.net), October 28, 1999.

3 neo comets are predicted to Impact in the eastern Atlantic on the evening of Nov 7 around 6 pm. This perdiction is as yet unconfirmed. Nasa and nro are watching these objects closely to determine if an executive call has to be made on these objects for a possible shootdown. details soon.

-- y2k aware mike (y2k aware mike @ conservation . com), October 28, 1999.

What is your source for the last comment reference to the possible need for the shootdown? Where is that call going to be made to? Bill and Hilliary will be leaving call forwarding off at the White House on the evening of the 6th.

-- Greg (skipy1@prodigy.net), October 28, 1999.

hey, y2k-aware mike, where'd ya hear that???

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), October 28, 1999.

I want to know more. Can this sh*t be true?

-- Darlene (boomer@tdstelme.net), October 28, 1999.

Mike- where did you get that info? Actually- I'd love to now what the Clintons/Gores, etc will be doing that weekend; skiing in the mountains of Colorado? Or vacationing on the Vineyard in MA?? Actually- I bet Hillary is scheduled to give a campaign speech in New York city that weekend- Bill will tell her she has to go so all appears well. He reassures her that Air Force One will be arriving to pick her up and whiz her to safety. Unfortunately- it has mechanical problems and is grounded........

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.com), October 28, 1999.

MONGO:

Ohio sales tax sucks.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), October 28, 1999.


Seems like we're in for a show in Nov. in any event.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27oct99_1.htm

Most experts agree that 1999 is a likely year for a Leonids meteor storm.

Hey MJ are you in here too? Sure a lot of kooks named mike huh? (g)

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), October 29, 1999.


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