Pre-emptive apology...no paragraphs (thanks Webtv!) I've grown weary of the personal attacks upon Mr. North, and I thought I'd share some "food-for-thought" for those that think Mr.North is a raving lunatic................. I personally applaud Mr. North's efforts.He has been accused of every possible negative comment known to the english language, and has received death threats for his "forecasts" of TEOTWAWKI, but remains steadfast in his efforts to inform all who are willing to listen.Perhaps there are some that believe that he "wants' the world to end.Although I cannot speak for Mr. North, I find it difficult to believe that his efforts have this goal in mind.I further submit that his efforts have possibly "awakened" your company's CIO, and they've taken steps to alleveiate Y2K problems due to Mr.Norths "cry in the wilderness."I believe that Mr. Norths efforts have saved countless lives, and have caused many of us to awaken from a very deep sleep. You don't have to "like" Gary North, but admire him for his courage, hard work, and his willingness to put his name on the line for something he truly believes in.....how many of you would do the same? This country needs MORE Gary Norths, MORE Ed Yourdons, and MORE Cary Hamasakis. They are representatives of what this country was founded upon...men and women of unshakeable fortitude with a belief that what they stand for is RIGHT and for the good of ALL PEOPLE. I applaud all of their efforts!

Keepon

-- Keepon (vacillating@hourly.edu), October 17, 1999

Answers

If Gary North is "representative of what this country was founded upon" than we are in very poor shape indeed. Are you unaware of his Christian Reconstrucionist views?

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), October 17, 1999.

This country needs more King of Spains. That's what this country needs. I applaud KoS's efforts.

-- I Know (what@we.need), October 17, 1999.

I am tired of the attacks upon Y2K Pro. Y2K Pro is the quinsential American male. A real he-man.

-- Keepoff (the@grass.please), October 17, 1999.

I am tired of hearing all the attacks about Marilyn Manson. MM's music isn't bad, people don't understand him.

-- Spooky Child (shhep@m.m), October 17, 1999.

I am tire of hearing Marilyn Manson. His music is way overrated.

-- MM is Lame (lame@music.mm), October 17, 1999.

3 comments:

1) WEB-TV folks (like me) can put in paragraph breaks as follows: type in a LEFT ANGLE BRACKET followed by the text "br" followed by a RIGHT ANGLE BRACKET, and do it TWICE. This looks like "[br][br]" EXCEPT that I have used left and right square brackets INSTEAD of the angle brackets so that you can see it. (Now you know everything that I do about HTML codes.)

2) Y2K Pro, I followed your link regarding Gary North's ALLEGED statement, to a (anti-North smear) web site, where indeed the statement appears and is attributed to Gary North. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO ACTUAL REFERENCE TO WHEN OR WHERE HE EVER MADE THIS STATEMENT. Can you give us the actual source for this statement? If you can't, do yourself and everyone else a favor: stop referencing it.

3) There seems to be a lot of smearing going on these days, with not only Gary North but also Ed Yourdon as being the primary targets. The pollies always have believed that if they can shoot the messenger, the message is effectively killed. They are wrong.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 17, 1999.

Yeah, thanks web-tv. No paragraphs.

-- thanks (w@e.btv), October 17, 1999.

Gary wrote that phrase in a letter he wrote to Charles Rueben or otherwise known as cpr.

-- d is d (disd@no.no), October 17, 1999.

Marilyn Manson is so 5 minutes ago. Do you guys like PowerMan 5000?

-- music fan (alt@met.gru), October 17, 1999.

KOS:

Except if the messenger is someone like Koskinen or de Jager, then we should shoot, right?

North is a propagandist. Yes, you may agree with his viewpoint. I like to read propaganda that I agree with myself, it reinforces my prejudices and makes me feel good. It's still propaganda.

I think the error is in regarding North as a messenger. He's not, he's an editor. As an editor, he does two things primarily -- he selects the information he prefers you to see, and he interprets it as he'd prefer you to interpret it. Just like CNN.

Keepon:

Bear in mind that your description of your heroes applies to many with whom you disagree. Relatively few people have evil motivations (in their own eyes), and many stand up for what they believe is right and good. Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton didn't agree at all, but both meet your description. Would you really be willing to fight to the death to defend someone's right to say something you considered dead wrong? Or would you prefer to silence that person "for the good of us all"?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), October 17, 1999.

Gary North has shared his observations and opinions to such an extent that people can sit around discussing his personal strengths and personal weaknesses.

There is the chance he has made a couple of errors with his opinions. For instance, I've noticed in his own guessing at what "Life would be like" if this or that failed, he doesn't seem to be aware of molecular nano technology and the new world it is going to usher in radically with or without "the grids."

I suspect Gary North would be appalled to find anyone hanging on to his every word as "Gods' truth." He, himself, has stated his reason for being is to show you the material he has collected so you can form your own conclusions.

He has also stated publically over the radio he is not subversive, does not want the nation to collapse, loves the Constitution, and is not attempting to ring in the new year with "Christian Reconstructionism." He wants his Constitutional right to enjoy reading about "Christian Reconstructionism."

CBNs' Drew knows what some individuals like Gary North don't know, and that is that Christians are not making up a majority of those who prepared. People flock amongst their own kind and it can give one the false impression of a "majority." Everyone I know who has prepared is either a spiritualist, a Wiccan, or Druidic or combinations. The overwhelming majority I see preparing are spiritualists. I have not come across any Christians in person preparing for Y2K though I spoke with a few over the net last fall and winter. Preparing for Y2K, CBN noted, seems to be a vast and varied sprawl of a few from each walk of life.

What all the gentlemen have in common that you swear built this nation is the ability of complex thought. There is a sharp decline of homo sapiens capable and functioning with complex thought. They are also individuals who can take initiative, which even Ross Perot at the time of his more popular first run for office, had mentioned there was a decline of.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), October 17, 1999.

* * * 19991017 Sunday

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

"They shoot the messengers, don't they!?!"

Opinions and alleged agendas notwithstanding, Gary North, Patrick Sanger, y2knewswire, et al, _compile_ pertinent Y2K-related resources and news items.

Y2K computer software and hardware/firmware CODE problems pose incontrovertibly, stand-alone and interconnected, consequences for the health and safety of global (human) populations, irrespective of opinions or popular opinion polls.

In the final analysis, every individual will assume responsibility for their reaction to consequences in their own community and what direction reconstitution of the damaged infrastructure will ultimately take. That includes home, neighborhood, municipality, employer, etc.

Psychological denial and "blame game" of all types, and at all levels, in societies has contributed to the current prospects of the Y2K predicament.*1

The consequences of these shortcomings will be enormous.

Will humanity ever learn from history? Will future "Cassandras" be taken seriously? ... Remains to be seen.

Regards, Bob Mangus

*1 - Case in point:

Due to irrational American necrophobia, Senator Dodd (D) refused to allow a Committee witness (Wednesday, October 13, 1999), Mr. Gogerty, complete his response to a direct question re potential Y2K-related fatalities. (International Monitoring < http://www.intl- monitoring.com > has done a study re Y2K-related fatalities that has been submitted to the US Senate subcommittee. Senator Dodd knows the bad news that report contains. He simply did not want to have it disclosed to the "unwashed"--and unprepared--American/World public!

* * *

-- Robert Mangus (rmangus1@yahoo.com), October 17, 1999.

Paula,

Just one little point. You don't see much of a cross-section of the posts on this forum if you don't know of any Christians who are preparing (granted you said "in person" and I don't know what percentage of Christians you may know "in person"). I know of myself, a few others I'm sure of and many more I would guess are Christians (it is not up to me to determine) on this forum, and family members privately, who are seriously prepped.

Don't lump us all into spiritualists of various stripes (or ANY particular category) and damage our attempts to save lives. I'm sorry, but that's reprehensible.

-- Scat (sgcatique@webtv.net), October 17, 1999.

Paula,

Are YOU Wiccan, Druidic, etc??

On a more serious note, sometime soon (next week, when the Cablemodem gets fixed) I intend to download ALL of Gary North's website. I figure that these Pollys will have to have access to "evidence" when they go before the Revolutionary Tribunal. 'Cause if people die, it WILL get ugly!

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), October 17, 1999.

I hate to be the bearer of woeful tidings, but have any of you ever checked up on North's background prior to his being the Y2K Czar of Doom? Seems he has been into some pretty doomy things before. It is his forte. None of the other things panned out so he started up on the Y2K stuff. Like Ted Turner, who also had many failures before his huge success, perhaps he is right this time. You can't be wrong all of the time, eh?

Just don't go out there spouting his philosophy before you check his ENTIRE history/profile. He may be right this time, but you gotta suspect some of his stuff with his history. Alot of his military stuff is, shall we say, skewed as well. How do I know? I am in a position to know. Our military is not in as bad shape as he would have you believe. yes, I know he quotes .mil sites...guess what, they are not always correct either. Just because it gets published, doesn't mean it's true or accurate. Bear that in mind as you read posts and check sites. Sometimes the info is skewed on purpose, with a purpose. Sometimes an idiot wrote it. Sometimes they just made an honest mistake. Hey, and sometimes they are right too.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), October 17, 1999.

Ynott,

Regarding your comments on our military, what position are you in that allows you to know the whole, real situation? All I've seen are reports of the lowest recruitment in years, a dangerously low level of pilot retention, spare parts problems, soldiers on food stamps, a military stretched paper thin all over the globe, and morale in general at an all time low. Unless you're on the joint chiefs, or at the very least a field grade officer or higher, how would you know? I'd rather trust the judgements of people like Col. David Hackworth, and he says we are in deep shit.

-- cavscout (knows@little.too), October 17, 1999.

YNott: It makes no difference what Gary North may have said in the past, even a stopped clock is right twice in every 24 hours and Gary's clock is ticking away just fine. Also, it doesn't surprise me that someone who is looking for ways in which our currently grossly corrupt society might come apart would be among the first to see and identify a real threat such as Y2K. Everyone else is narcotizing themselves with television.

If Y2K is as bad as I think it will be, Gary North will be one of the most respected men in the world because he had the guts and the stamina to try to warn the rest of us and most of us didn't want to listen.

-- cody varian (cody@y2ksurvive.com), October 17, 1999.

Gawd! OK, lets say for the sake of argument that North is fascinated with end-of-the-world scenarios, and hopes that each one that he stumbles across will finally do it, so that he and his believers can be in la la land paradise or whatever. By virtue of the fact that the dude is always LOOKING for stuff like that means that he probably will come across it before most people will see it -- that is, if there really is something that is going to do it, North would probably find it first. And it in no way diminishes the evidence that Y2K may result in the end of the world as we know it. You know, the EVIDENCE, the things you get to when you click on the LINKS that North provides at his www.garynorth.com web site??

Meanwhile, so far the only source that anyone has been able to cough up on the ALLEGED North statement by Y2K Pro is that it was in a private correspondence to Charles Reubin, a.k.a. the infamous C.P.R.????????? C'mon, pollies, you surely can do better than that! LOL!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 17, 1999.

Kos aka dumbass;

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What difference does it make were the quote comes from? In an e-mail or a webpage, or in this case, north's own writings it is still the same. Has gary denied it? using the same twisted doombrood logic that you do the evidence is right there...what difference does the message make? LOL!!! got you on that one!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

oh btw gary has always been a liar. his latest is his lies about debunkers "calling for his assasination"

-- Just how (stupid@re.U?), October 17, 1999.

If anyone can figure out what the hell that rambling piece of crap just posted, please explain to us. Gawd, dude, lay off the booze or whatever you are smoking!!!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 17, 1999.

I'm with you King. BTW, If you can find me a buxom partner along the lines of say, Daisy Fuentes, I'll mudwrestle.

-- cavscout (mudwrestleswiththerightL@d.y), October 17, 1999.

The people who should fear lynch mobs are the corporate execs who have lied about corporate y2k preparedness and who are about to steal fortunes from their unwary investors.

You wont hear anything about that until it's too late.

-- no talking please (breadlines@soupkitchen.gov), October 17, 1999.

music man,

5 minutes ago is so, 2 minutes ago.

......

-- 8 (8@8.c0m), October 17, 1999.

Lets make it real simple so the doomlits can understand.

The above post said that Gary made the comment. It doesn't matter wether it was in a email exchange or in a post on his site. He still made it.

And the second piece was about how a lurker on Biffy made a post that said he would like revenge on Gary North for causing his dad to go off the deep end as he perceived and that he placed North as the person he was angry at.

Gary though posts that the board wants him dead. Even though everyone on the board denounced the post. It remained up after debate as nobody on Biffy wanted to censor a post. You know kinda like what Diane Squire does to make doomers look intelligent by deleting all the idiotic statements about predictions that never panned.

Glad I could help.

-- 4yearold (gottamakeit@simple.com), October 17, 1999.

Dear 4 year old,

---

Is this unproven comment so important?

What about the lies and intentional distortions of the truth by corporate and government execs about their y2k status?

This is what we will be thinking about next year when it really counts.

-- no talking please (breadlines@soupkitchen.gov), October 17, 1999.

Great, so I guess this is going to be the very best we are going to get in terms of actual evidence that Gary North ever said what Y2K Pro and that idiotic linked web site claims he said. No one can actually point to anyplace that can be verified, only that North surely said it because as far as noone knows he has never denied it (assuming he even knows of it). I mean, if I were CPR (Charles Reuben), I would have scanned in this supposed personal correspondence from North, and have it appear on the home page of the Gary North Is A Big Fat Idiot Forum.

Pollies and their delusions. Must be the result of an infectious meme.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 17, 1999.

Let's suppose Gary North fervently hopes for the civilized world. (I don't know whether he does, but it would not be inconsistent with his expressed contempt for big government and the system in general.) I don't see that implying that he would categorically reject evidence that would mitigate the effects of Y2K. Many on this forum have stated that they hope for the best even though they expect the worst, i.e., they are open to negative evidence that conflicts with their positive hopes.

I think the fact that North includes links to positive posts, that his comments are clearly identified as distinct from the reports, and that he expresses his views in the form of logic rather than smears, disqualifies him from the "propagandist" label. One may find errors in his premises or conclusions, but at least his presentation permits that. Contrast North's writings with smear filled rhetoric that includes phrases such as "website fear monger."

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), October 17, 1999.

If you want to know what one of the regular debunkis thinks of Gary North and us 'sociopaths' --

Posted by (209.99.98.237) N.Arro on October 17, 1999 at 12:28:44:

In Reply to: Is that a rhetorical question? posted by Anita on October 17, 1999 at 11:58:52:

Just as a casual observer, I'd have to say you don't sound cold-hearted. Coldly analytical, perhaps, but then most of us "over here" are. But cold-hearted? Nah.

Now the sociopaths over at The Dark Side increasingly sound like apologists for a new Hitler. Just think about it for a moment...

GN would be a good Hitler--clueless but with a fascinating power to mesmerize the masses with his words.

Milne subs for Himmler--utter sadistic contempt for anyone who doesn't belong to "the party."

EY makes a fine Goering--intelligent, articulate, intellectually elusive, but basically a disingenuous dope because he fell for GN's BS.

Cory equals Goebbels, sort of. He has his high pitched shrieks of propaganda. But Goebbels was willing to die for the cause; Cory will chicken out.

JL could be Rudolph Hess--not too bright and defected to the enemy when he figures the fight is lost.

And of course there are the the oppressed masses chanting "Heil Gary" as they goose step to their double wides in the woods.

I just can't remember any of Hitler's kooks that kept saying *sigh.* Any suggestions?

-- no name (and@no.address), October 17, 1999.

I meant to start out my response just above, with "Let's suppose Gary North fervently hopes for the end of the civilized world."

Sorry about that.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), October 17, 1999.

Gawd, "no name", just when I think I have read the lowest of the low from the bonkers site, yet an even LOWER sub-human specie gets quoted. Comparing North, Yourdon et al to Hitler & Co???? Implying that doomers are mere stooges of the New Order to come??!!!!???? That is so looney-tooney it is more sad than funny. (Does anyone know if any of those Nazi generals had a thing for mudwrestling?)

MEANNNWHILLLLLLEEE, still nothing from Y2K Pro of any of the bonkers bunch regarding a credible source for Gary North's alleged statement. I know that Y2K Pro usually works in the evenings at Burger King, so we can certainly excuse him. But you'd think that some polly or other would be able to provide something a little more believable than, "Duhhh, I dunno, CPR said that's what North told him. Duuhhhhh."

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 17, 1999.

I just took a look at that Nazi thread and it's genuine. I thought perhaps Decker, Thaxter or Flint would have taken them to task over it in view of their past sensitivity to any mention of Nazi thuggery, but no such luck. However, I do note that the thread had these posters on it: DavePrime, cpr, Peg, Stephen M. Poole, Buddy, Anita (Spooner), N.Arro (the offender), and Jonathan Latimer, none of whom commented on the characterizations.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 17, 1999.

Whoa!!! Back the Truck UP!!!!!!!!

If you look at that WHOLE thread, you will see that I sarted it on a POSITIVE note.

Please don't lump me in as one who "Calls Gary a Hitler...".

I try to keep a sense of humor about this whole thing. I have seen both viewpoints, and i am "prepped" to the hilt. Just in Case. That doesn't mean we can't have a little humor in this whole situation. After all, If you can't smile about it sometimes, it will drag you down and eat you for lunch....

Here's the my post line... (The rest kind of went off on their own....) http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/1748.html

-- DavePrime (the-tv-guy@hotmail.com), October 18, 1999.

DavePrime: I don't think that it was Old Git's intention to smear anyone by virtue of "guilt by association", just providing more info on the insanity that appears to be rampant over at the bonkers site.

MEANWHILE, still desperately seeking an actual SOURCE for Gary North's ALLEGED statement ....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

KOS, you've never seen this?

http://www.serve.com/t hibodep/cr/y2k.htm

or this?

http://users.erols.com /steve451/doom.htm

or this?

http://www.metanet.net/freebooks/whatsice.htm

make your own darn link for that one

-- nah (not@today.thanx), October 18, 1999.

Well, thank you, "nah", it looks like Gary North did indeed say that. And the second link that you gave puts it in the correct CONTEXT -- he was specifically talking about the FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM.

What a surprise -- North believes that the fractional reserve banking system is corrupt and ought to be replaced by one that does not tell everyone that they can get their money back at any time. And, while at it, one that is based on gold and stuff. Etc., etc. Gee, you know, now that I think about it, he is ALWAYS saying that stuff practially ever frigging day over at www.garynorth.com. So, maybe, when the statement is understood IN CONTEXT, it does not seem so strange after all.

You see, when presented out of context, one might jump to the conclusion (as I did) that he was hoping for the total end of everything. Which, when coupled with his odd religious beliefs, would certainly earn him his "Scary Gary" handle.

Thanks for clearing that up. And I will make sure in the future to always make sure that Y2K Pro's quotation is always clarified. Perhaps others will also....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

Well, thank you, "nah", it looks like Gary North did indeed say that. And the second link that you gave puts it in the correct CONTEXT -- he was specifically talking about the FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM.

What a surprise -- North believes that the fractional reserve banking system is corrupt and ought to be replaced by one that does not tell everyone that they can get their money back at any time. And, while at it, one that is based on gold and stuff. Etc., etc. Gee, you know, now that I think about it, he is ALWAYS saying that stuff practially ever frigging day over at www.garynorth.com. So, maybe, when the statement is understood IN CONTEXT, it does not seem so strange after all.

You see, when presented out of context, one might jump to the conclusion (as I did) that he was hoping for the total end of everything. Which, when coupled with his odd religious beliefs, would certainly earn him his "Scary Gary" handle.

Thanks for clearing that up. And I will make sure in the future to always make sure that Y2K Pro's quotation is always clarified. Perhaps others will also....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

little latino, you have earned the right to be called King of Fools. You were NOt "desperatly seeking a source" for the Gary quote...if you were you would have found it yourself in about 5-10 minutes. The problem is you DIDN'T want it to be true, and you were hoping that noone could provide clear evidence for you. Now that your hope is dashed, you try and twist north's quote into something it is not. Go read his books, man. They are free online. costs you nothing but a few hours of your time. If you can read more than one or two and still claim Gary does not want western civilization to collapse, then you understand NOTHING about what he is attempting.

The millenium provides Gary, and many many others with a once in a dozen lifetime's oportunity to try and "take down" the "evil system" and gain some real power. AIN'T gonna happen, but they will still try. Look at how the anti-nuke'ers are using y2k to try and shut down nuke plants. See how y2k fits their agenda? (I know you don't) Do you see how the anti-fractional reserve ppl are using y2k to try and take down the "evil system"? (again, I doubt it)

Face the facts that Gary is what he is, a pathetic individual who will do whatever it takes to make money, but more importantly to set up the millenial kingdom he is convinced is neccessary to bring Christ's return to earth.

Keep in mind that he would also be the first to have you stoned to death for your constant mud-wrestling fetish. Please remember that you are defending him when you should be opposing him.

Sadly, your only response to this post will be "huyh? can someone please explain this nonsense to me? Gawd!" It is the only thing you can say when presented with logic and facts....except to just be quiet. You won't be. I've seen the pattern for you. Sad, really.

---sigh---

-- Go boil (yourhe@d.dude), October 18, 1999.

"Go Boil"'s post could not have summed it up better! He is nothing but a sicko that is so fixated and obsessed on Gary North, he cannot see anything but. The bonkers crowd, in their own sick minds, think they are dealing with someone of Hitler's caliber (and of course, all of us doomers are generals or lowly SS troopers, I guess), so naturally they believe that they can justify any BS. Including taking North's outrageous religious beliefs and twisting them so that they become even funnier! LOL!

Here is a question for all to consider: If it were not for the looney-toones at the Gary North Is A Big Fat Idiot Forum, how aware would people be about Y2K and Gary North? Personally, it would not surprise me if all the hysterical antics that Buddy, Paul Davis, CPR, Stephen Poole, etc., try to pull off have actually had the OPPOSITE effect of acting to PROMOTE North's web site AND his wacko beliefs, giving him way more publicity than he ever would have had otherwise!! Toooooo funny!!!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

Dave, sorry not to get back here before, been busy. Thanks for the assist, MudBuddy! Just saw Dave's work on the debunking forum, taking issue with N. Arro's post. WELL DONE! You got lots of responses but I didn't see any others thinking it was out of line; on the contrary. What a bizarre set of values over there.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 18, 1999.

You aren't kidding, Old Git! Did you notice that "Go Boil" was encouraging me to read Gary North's free books that he is always trying to stuff down people's disk space on his web site?? Do think that I am going to read that wacky crap??? "How To Mine Gold In An AIDS-Free Bomb Shelter" or whatever? Gawd!

But the bonkers crowd actually reads it and promotes it even as they hate it! Unbelievable!!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

King of Fools,

You never cease to amaze. I take back what I said about figuring you out. The depths of your ignorance are truly astronomical. That latest tiff of yours is so replete with nonsense, I will have to mull it over for a will to figure it out. Maybe I should just forward it to the local psycho ward and see if one of your fellow droolers can explain it to me.

Ah, but do continue on in your small little minded ways....someday the light may come on. For you and your fellow TB'ers.

-- Take your head out of the dutch boiler (itsW@Y.overdone!), October 18, 1999.

King of Fools,

You never cease to amaze. I take back what I said about figuring you out. The depths of your ignorance are truly astronomical. That latest tiff of yours is so replete with nonsense, I will have to mull it over for a time to figure it out. Maybe I should just forward it to the local psycho ward and see if one of your fellow droolers can explain it to me.

Ah, but do continue on in your small little minded ways....someday the light may come on. For you and your fellow TB'ers.

-- Take your head out of the dutch boiler (itsW@Y.overdone!), October 18, 1999.

Sorry, dude, I had no idea that you actually LIKED that particular book of North's. I was only using it as an EXAMPLE for cryin' out loud!!

I could have just as easily picked, "1001 Ways To Stone Blasphemers (sung to that '60s hit, 'Everybody Must Get Stoned')". Or, "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Road Signs But Were Afraid To Ask".

Wait -- don't tell me -- you and the rest of the bonkers bunch like those, too??!!!!! Gawd, how can you love what the man WRITES yet hate what he STANDS FOR??!!! What the hell is WRONG with you people????!!!???!!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 18, 1999.

heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee

Unreal, KoS. Unreal.

-- DavePrime (the-tv-guy@hotmail.com), October 19, 1999.

Wow. and again. WOW. Daveprime said, "unreal KoF, unreal!". You can say that again. I was completely lost as to the KIng of Fools first couple of posts, now he is into some bullshit about me loving Gary? Fuck...you people are stupid!

Lets see if I can explain this to your shoe-size IQ KoF.

You just couldn't believe that your hero Gary said those words that pro quoted. I told you to go look at Norths own writings to see for yourself (see, the thing is, you jokers don't accept ANYTHING that you can't see with your own eyes, unless it is linked by a doomidiot)

I WAS GIVING YOU THE OPORTUNITY TO SEE FOR YOURSELF FROM NORTHS OWN WORDS THAT HE DID INDEED SAY THAT. (do you "GI" now, Fool?) Not once did I advocate north or his writings.

But you just go ahead and keep twisting and spinning what normal, sane, people say; your ignorance level may prove to outstrip ANY euchlidian measuring system!

Achieve maximum density, you little latino (I've been talking to the girls you mudwrestle. little is being kind, they assure me!)

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

-- Go Boil Some more (It@in't.done after all!), October 19, 1999.

Now THAT's what I call a normal, sane person. C'mon, King, let's go find some mud. I hear there's plenty over at the debunking forum.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 19, 1999.

Old Git, I'd stay away from that place if were you -- those people are bonkers. Plus, they seem to have a real fascination with Gary North. They act like a bunch of crazed fans!!! (Poor Gary, he must feel like a rock star who can't shake loose of all the groupies!!!)

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 19, 1999.

To whom it may concern:

Abraham Lincoln lost a few before winning the big one.

Ty Cobb got thrown out a lot attempting to stealing bases.

Babe Ruth was also the strike-out King.

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-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), October 19, 1999.