On another thread I offered to post a URL for an archived copy of "Triple Ought" (by James Wesley Rawles) in a major search engine which I found a while back. It was previously known as "The Gray 90's", then "Triple Ought" and then "TEOTWAWKI" (all three versions were available for free over the internet for quite a while). It was copyrighted as "TEOTWAWKI" and finally wound up as "Patriots; Surviving the Coming Collapse".

Since the copyright, it has been almost impossible to find on the internet. Because it is copyrighted I have been very hesitant to post the URL, but since we are quickly approaching the critical point, it may help some folks.

The story is chock full of very useful information and it is a very good read (it's had excellent reviews). The author also has a very credible bio. Check out his webpage at:

Full text of "Triple Ought" can be found [link deleted by SYSOP due to Copyright restrictions. I would MUCH rather have done this by e-mail but, without a valid e-mail I am forced to do it here. We have had several problems on copyright restricted things being posted here and Phill has been pushed by several different legal firms about it in the past. I can't take the risk that Mr Rawles would, quite justifiedly push on this one, too. NokternL, please understand our position. C]

If you have trouble with the whole thing loading, try a search at Dejanews for "tttrrriiipppllleee 000" for the missing part(s).

Patriots; Surviving the Coming Collapse can be purchased through Amazon.com or your local bookstore. It has much more info than Triple Ought and is well worth the $15 price tag. If you enjoy it, please consider purchasing the book. I highly recommend it.

-- NokternL (nokternl@anywhereusa.com), September 27, 1999

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NokternL:

"Patriot" is a good introduction of basic startegies in response to likely Y2K scenarios for the uninitiated. Although the editing quality is substandard--lots of misspellings and instances of marginal grammar--the neophyte could learn a lot of useful information.

Rawles is to be commended for bringing the information into the easily accessible paperback world!

This easy read will probably be tagged for future cesorship by the crazed, politically correct book burners.

Regards, Bob Mangus

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-- Robert Mangus (rmangus1@yahoo.com), September 27, 1999.

Hmmmm.....Ok Chuck. As I previously stated, I was hesitant to post the URL. I'm not familiar with all the copyright laws but figured that the person(s) responsible for any violations would be dejanews (since they are the ones which are in possession of the copyrighted material and are making it available), not me or this forum. Oh well.

Also, why delete the link to his website? It's a public site. Other than that, I guess I understand.

By the way, the email addy IS real.

Take Care,

-- NokternL (nokternl@anywhereusa.com), September 27, 1999.

In what way can posting a public link be considered a violation of copyright? I am familiar with copyright laws and fair use because of my work as a composer.

Very often a copyright is not intended to prevent public dissemination of a work, but merely the commercial use of material without payment. For instance, it is perfectly legal to own and use a 'fake book' ( a collection of older music now in second tier) but not to use it for new recordings without royalties.

To use the analogy of a public library, which is really a more accurate analogy to the Internet, a copyrighted book has a dewey decimal number which marks its location on the shelf. Posting a link is like posting the DD number or the LOC (libray of Congress) number and is not a copyright violation in any sense that I understand. If the book or article is posted free of charge, that is the responsibility of the poster.

Explanation?

-- Forrest Covington (theforrest@mindspring.com), September 27, 1999.

My question too.

Posting a link is pointing to an object, it is not reproducing it. I do not violate copyright when I point to a book in the bookstore. The copyright holder's recourse is not to the people saying "Look -- over there!" but to the entity actually making the reproduced copy available without permission.

The only way liability could attach to Phil Greenspun's site is if substantial parts of a copyrighted text were posted here without permission of the copyright owner. (Which I know has often happened.)

But -- the Internet situation is novel and I expect some new rules will be developed to govern it.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), September 27, 1999.

To the top.

Chuck?

-- NokternL (nokternl@anywhereusa.com), September 27, 1999.