OK, first of all let me say that im not a Y2K skeptic, and my family and I are preparing for at least 3 months disruptions.

I keep reading these stories all over the internet about "strange" y2k related things people are seeing. Things like bunkers, generators being hooked up to substations, food ration cupons being printed, etc, etc.

Where's the proof? If you all want the American public to wake up and prepare for adversity, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A PUSH. Go out and be an investigator, get something on paper or film. You have to understand that all this "talk" on the internet is pushed aside because most people do little to offer any proof of their statements.

I would be happy to use my hardware and high speed net connection to host a site of such images...because nobody else is! This whole thing reminds me of the UFO issue. Lots of "stories" and very little proof.

Will i prepare? yes...because I believe it is prudent, not because of anything I have seen on the net (with the exception of the document Jim Lord has offered)

COME ON PEOPLE....humans are explorers and investigators by nature...GET OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE!!!

-- Cory Hall (coryh@strategic-services.net), September 23, 1999

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What planet are you on?

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), September 23, 1999.

No one has time nor the resources to run around taking pictures and interviewing CEO's, etc. The proof that we have here comes from government reports, personal experiences or news clippings. I suggest that if you want people to get ready, send them here or to Gary North's site and let them decide for themselves. It didn't take much for me to become a GI, I remember exactly where and what time it was that I heard about it. It was about 2:00 a.m. in the morning, I turned on Art Bell and Gary North was talking about Y2K. I was in a complete daze because I understood the concept and ramifications if it did not get fixed. I hit the internet and read everything I could get my hands on to confirm my suspicions. With all the evidence that is out in public view, it is obvious that DGI people don't really care. You have the government saying no problem and people turn over and go back to sleep. Frankly, I don't really care now if people DGI, it's too late for them to become educated and prepare. I think people have already decided which side they want to be on already. So, I plan to enjoy the next 14 weekends and go over the final details of my preparations. Besides, someone posted here that California is going to have an 8 earthquake before November and I'm thinking about buying a boat since I'm going to have beachfront property. (hee, hee)

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory, no time for investigation. Just time enough to get ready. It's very late in the game and trying to convince others of the peril is a complete waste of time.

-- Tick Tock (ticktock@timesawastin.com), September 23, 1999.

Someone's worried. Take I-5 north from Portland Oregon, about 3 miles after Centralia, Washington on the right hand side of the freeway is a very large juvenal detention center. They have a brand spanken new, very large diesel power generation station. It looks like about a 5000 gallon fuel tank. It's honken big.

I have been making the trip from Portland, Oregon to Seattle, Washington every weekend for 5 years now. This beast just appeared early this year.

What do they know that we are not being told.

You can see this for yourself.

Proof, I don't know. Pretty god awful big power generation station for one little detention center. I wonder how long they were told to ready for no power.

-- yada (yada@yada.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory: I have printed out volumes of Gov't reports, website reports from Yardeni,Yourden,Hamasaki,Hyatt,Boivin,North....and on and on that fills 4 3-inch binders. I've collected information from Europe, the MidEast, Japan, Austrtalia, Canada. I've got the Red Cross stuff, etc. and I still can't get the DGI's to budge after 15 months of discourse. As Ed Yourdon so eloquently put it..."we are in the "End Game" you either believe it or you don't". Do what you got to do and pray for the rest. Gary North will remind you on a regular basis that those who don't prepare will "remember" those who did. Quit whining and get on with it. As Michael Hyatt says, "I would rather have that which I may not need than need something which I may not have". Sermons will only alienate you further from those you will later help. True leaders will tell you...Let your actions speak so loud that no one can hear you talk...this has been my mantra for 6 months now.

-- shepherd (mjmcinnes@aol.com), September 23, 1999.

Bardou,

"I'm thinking about buying a boat since I'm going to have beachfront property">

ROTFL!!! LOL!! Too funny.

-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory

Well proof is a tricky thing for a future event but IMHO the GAO 21 city report would be something I would consider "proof" that S**T could happen. Entities were supposed to have things wrapped up by July. NOT so.

 Naval Report and the GAO 21 Cities Report

Good luck

-- Brian (imager@home.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory,

We don't have a picture of the ?00,000 gallon sewage spill in LA. We don't have a picture of the power plant in Brazil, with the "thousands" of alarms going off when they set the clock ahead. But we do have these reports, and hundreds, if not thousands, of others in the archive. We have many people here that have spent countless hours investigating this problem. Spend some time in the archives.

bardou,

I luv ya, but it's never too late.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 23, 1999.

Somewhere we missed the point of my post. Supposedly there are all these strange things happening in our communities, like HUGE GENERATORS, BUNKERS setup. RE-Opened military bases, etc etc...

thats what im looking for. This is the kind iof stuff that is popping up in our communities NOW..im not talking about the major news events.

The guy who posted about the generator outside the Juvi...thats what im saying man...get a picture of THAT!

-- Cory Hill (coryh@strategic-services.net), September 23, 1999.

After you get debated by the clueless, disrespected, labeled a kook, then avoided, you will change your tune. I think everybody on this forum has had a similar experience. I was fired up at first also, but the majority of this population are WILLFULLY ignorant, And in some ways, I would like to be too. I'm not gonna invade their comfort zone again, and I'm ok with it; I even think it's funny at times. P.S. Don't tell any of your friends or family that have substance abuse problems (like I did) They might tell everyone at the local bar, (like mine did,) and you get could get a visit from an old drunk aquaintance(like I did), who wants to know when "we" are leaving. As an aside, the town I live in,pop.20,000, has a "y2k group". This group of 3 set up a info table at the 3 day Labor Day Celebration. The mayor sat 20 ft away from them and never once acknowledged their efforts, and they sure could have used some support.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), September 23, 1999.

Ive been into this since mid '98..ive been this fired up, ive been laughed at, yadda yadda yadda..i guess i have a higher tolerence for this than others....

-- Cory Hill (coryh@strategic-services.net), September 23, 1999.

Cory my friend, I've been aware and preparing for this problem for 18 months now. How much and how many times should I talk to my neighbors and say "look neighbor, I think Y2K is going to be bad, and here's some information for you to look through and we can discuss it further after you read it." Some of them avoid me altogether. I had one convinced but they have since changed their mind, and the others say nothing is going to happen, they gov has it fixed. That was 18 months ago.....

Speaking of pictures, we had some bad ass fires up here and I personally witnessed truck loads of National Guard coming in. I guess I could have taken pictures of them and sent them to you and told you a cock n' bull story that they came into town for secret manuevers with the local law enforcement here. Proof? Anyone can take a picture and say whatever they want, it still does not prove anything! Get off my ass? Nah, it's my turn to sit and relax because I am finished. And, if my neighbors want to kick in my door, well, I think they know well enough that that wouldn't be the prudent thing to do. There are people in the community who are prepared, I don't know how many and to what extent. Our sheriff is a big GI and has prepared for his employees, family, and the jail. There have been numerous articles in the paper, town meetings were held last year, and rumors of the militia becoming involved if needed. People are informed, and what they do with the information is up to them.

At this point in time, I am laying low, keeping to myself, and keeping my eyes and ears open. Can't do anything for anyone except point them in the direction of Costco and WalMart, but that would mean they would have to get off their ass and do something!

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory- The government ADMITS to having monitoring/control stations set up in several locations across the US. Some of these are located in BUNKERS. They have been created to monitor the Y2K situation. They are stocked with FOOD and hooked up to GENERATORS. It's in the archives. You can look it up.

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory,

After reading your last couple of posts, yes, I think that we did miss the point. Maybe it's the title of the thread.

Not a bad idea at all, but I'm not sure how much is visible to the public, except for things like big outdoor gens.

It sure can't hurt to keep one's eyes open though. My housemate has a digital camera, and if I do see anything, I'll make a note of it.

Good luck! <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory:

I have two things of which I keep forgetting to take pictures of:

(1) new solar-electrical generation plant at the pentagon

(2) new virginia sign (very design-e unlike most government signs)on Route 66 as you are coming over from Dee Cee. This is how it reads: Illegal guns? EXILE. Virginia. 5 Year Mandatory Prison. Governor ... Statue No... The EXILE is the first thing you see. What the heck does that mean?

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (info@giglobal.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory:

Seriously, a great deal depends on what you consider proof. Most of what passes for "proof" around here is at best entirely reasonable concern in the face of insufficient information. At worst (which seems most of the time to me, but I have the wrong opinion), any concern however artificial, undocumented or unlikely, is good enough.

Consider. You have Gia here who notices that the government is alleged to have a fallback position prepared just in case things get bad. Bad for *whatever* reason. Now, either this is true or it is not. But the truth isn't what's important. What's important is that if it's false, the government is irresponsibly ill-prepared, proof they are asleep at the wheel. On the other hand, if it's true then the government must be expecting y2k to be very bad, which is proof that it's bad. So *either* possibility is "proof" of bad government if that's your starting point.

Sysman speaks of a big sewage spill during a y2k test. Now, we could take pictures of it, but we know that it was NOT caused by a y2k bug of any kind. It was caused by an entirely unrelated bug that could have struck on any date equally, that showed up as an artifact of the test. So would a picture of the sewage be "proof" that y2k will be bad? Or would it be pure yellow journalism, claiming it was a date bug when it was not? Or would you accept this spill as an illustration of what *might* happen if a date bug were to have caused it, and therefore good enough? It's good enough for Sysman.

Sysman also mentions lots of alarms going off when clocks were turned ahead. Yes, this was part of the assessment phase at a power plant. The assessment seems to have been, yes, we have some date bugs here. Of course, when we find such bugs we fix them. Can we assume that similar bugs live in unremediated plants elsewhere? Sounds like a solid assumption to me, but it's not proof. It's the odds.

Given the enormous number of date bugs we've found and fixed, and given the enormous number of systems that haven't been examined at all, we can confidently conclude that the probability of numerous glitches is unity. The social, business, and other impacts of these bugs cannot be estimated.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 23, 1999.

Cory, I agree with most everything you say. Also agree with others who say it's hard to get absolute proof of various things.

Bardou, do you have verification of the sheriff's GI? How do you know this? What county is he sheriff of? Is he attempting to prepare anything besides his family and the jail? It's a shame if he's not, as he would surely lend a bit of credibility.

Our sheriff, Josephine County, Oregon, came to the first meeting of the Josephine Emergency Preparedness Project, stated that he's trying to prepare for emergencies, and strongly IMPLIED that this was prompted by his y2k concerns, but hedged his bets by saying that it was not only for y2k, and was for any major disaster. Various presenters pointed out that we needed three days worth of food and water, because that's how long it would take to get the Red Cross emergency shelters up and running.

So, how about it Cory? Can you share how you know your sheriff is GI, and what he's doing about it?

Thanks,

Al

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), September 23, 1999.

"It was caused by an entirely unrelated bug that could have struck on any date equally,"

Fact - It struck during a Y2K test.

"Given the enormous number of date bugs we've found and fixed, and given the enormous number of systems that haven't been examined at all, we can confidently conclude that the probability of numerous glitches is unity. The social, business, and other impacts of these bugs cannot be estimated."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

PS - Flint, IOU a Heineken!

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 23, 1999.

Al K. Lloyd: You must have missed the thread, but someone (not me), posted the thread called "Sheriff is a big GI (????)." Maybe look in the archives for it. Anyway, there's been numerous articles in our newspaper about it and there's a lot of people here in the community that are very upset that he has used tax dollars to buy generators and food. His name is Sheriff McKenzie. I'll do some snooping in the archives and see if I can find it, it was posted maybe 2 months ago.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 23, 1999.

Al K. Lloyd: I FOUND IT! Go to the archives and under "Fallback Planning," the thread is called "County Sheriff Stocks Food (Calif)". The story fron the newspaper is there....Bardou

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 23, 1999.

Sysman:

Please don't disappoint us. Yes, it's a fact that a computer bug struck during a y2k test. It's also a fact that had the test not been performed, rollover would have experienced no such problem.

I can recognize that there is a very distant y2k relationship here, in that the bug was related to using backup power. Makes me wonder how many utilities, hospitals, and the like have *never* needed to revert to backup power, so this is an untested part of code in these places. Was it a true story about the hospitals in NYC that couldn't be started during the 1965 blackout because they had electric starters?

But I don't think it's honest to pretend the Van Nuys problem was a date mishandling bug uncovered by a test. The problem had nothing to do with mishandling a date on the part of ANY software. And I'm sure a great many things went wrong during that test, here and there around the world. But we should be talking proximate cause here. Y2k was not the proximate cause of that sewage problem.

Anyway, I'll trade beers with you. I've never claimed y2k wouldn't cause problems, only that they'd be easily manageable for the most part. I will be astounded if a single contributor to this forum actually needs their preparations to survive.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 23, 1999.

Well, seeing as my preparations will add up to two rolls of electrical tape plus a pack of mentos, I certainly hope you're correct, Flinty. It's cold where I'm going.

-- numb-er six (d'oh@deer.com), September 24, 1999.

Cory, believe me, I understand your frustration at not having 'proof', although I don't really know what you could do with it if you had it. If a person isn't persuaded by commentary, 2nd hand information followed up by extensive reading on the probabilities of these scenarios, they aren't going to be persuaded by a photo. It is part of the disconnect effect.

I have come to my conclusions based on 2 years of probing. I have read countless books, looked at several videos and listened to innumerable radio shows. They don't provide any 'proof', however they do provide insight into a large body of experience, expertise and opinion that is hard to ignore, unless you are disconnected, and cannot nor will not see the obvious.

We are in potential jeopardy. Martial law is likely for the reasons you worry about. It will not necessarily happen for the benefit of the populace, and this is only one of several potentialities we need to be concerned about.

My personal wake up call came from my own mother about 1 year ago. She was speaking her mind about the treachery of the Clinton administration to a man delivering her generator. After several minutes of no comment from him, he opened up and told her he was part of a large group of concerned community members that were amassing weapons to protect their community against a potential 'insurrection' and 'the government'. I tell you, my jaw dropped to the ground on this one.

Now I must ask myself one thing about each and every posting about 2nd or 3rd party whisperings from the National Guard, the military, the police depts, emergency services or whatever. THAT QUESTION IS - WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT EVERY SINGLE POSTING LIKE THIS IS BUNK, A LIE OR A DECEPTION?

After my experience and my research, I can comfortably say my belief is that there will be disingenuous postings here and there, but every single one. NO WAY.

Take heed.

Got courage?

-- Bandit (bbrinks@aol.com), September 24, 1999.

Cory, believe me, I understand your frustration at not having 'proof', although I don't really know what you could do with it if you had it. If a person isn't persuaded by commentary, 2nd hand information followed up by extensive reading on the probabilities of these scenarios, they aren't going to be persuaded by a photo. It is part of the disconnect effect.

I have come to my conclusions based on 2 years of probing. I have read countless books, looked at several videos and listened to innumerable radio shows. They don't provide any 'proof', however they do provide insight into a large body of experience, expertise and opinion that is hard to ignore, unless you are disconnected, and cannot nor will not see the obvious.

We are in potential jeopardy. Martial law is likely for the reasons you worry about. It will not necessarily happen for the benefit of the populace, and this is only one of several potentialities we need to be concerned about.

My personal wake up call came from my own mother about 1 year ago. She was speaking her mind about the treachery of the Clinton administration to a man delivering her generator. After several minutes of no comment from him, he opened up and told her he was part of a large group of concerned community members that were amassing weapons to protect their community against a potential 'insurrection' and 'the government'. I tell you, my jaw dropped to the ground on this one.

Now I must ask myself one thing about each and every posting about 2nd or 3rd party whisperings from the National Guard, the military, the police depts, emergency services or whatever. THAT QUESTION IS - WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT EVERY SINGLE POSTING LIKE THIS IS BUNK, A LIE OR A DECEPTION?

After my experience and my research, I can comfortably say my belief is that there will be disingenuous postings here and there, but every single one? NO WAY.

Take heed.

Got courage?

-- Bandit (bbrinks@aol.com), September 24, 1999.

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A: I don't think anyone really knows what's going to happen. If someone tells you what will happen with certainty, then they aren't credible. The reason we're doing the things that we are is that there is a potential here. We think we've followed good remediation and testing procedures here in the federal government, and we hope that's been done in other organizations, in industries, in other nations. It's prudent to be prepared. We're prepared to collect the information, assess it and try and recognize the early trends. These could be good as well as bad, and we're hoping they're good.

The essence of the problem is time compression. Multiple sectors could be affected in a short period of time. Normally, when you have a disaster it affects only one organization sector or geographical area. The potential here is for multiple effects. As time goes on, the more work gets done, the more testing gets done, things look better. And we shall continue checking and testing, but it's still appropriate to have the capability to monitor the situation when the time comes and to provide clear reports to decision-makers, the press and citizens throughout the world.

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-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), September 24, 1999.

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