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WHY IS IT --that when the media offers a story that tends towards the Doomer point of view, that the Doomers SWEAR by what the media says
but when the media offers stories that say that everything will be pretty well manageable, the Doomers disavow the media?
Does anybody see a bit of hypocrisy here? As in, 100%?
If you don't see the hypocrisy: have you had your seeing-eye dog certified lately?
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999
What I see is a person with way too much time on their hands. If you believe that Y2K is nothing then what in the hell do you post here?
-- SgtSchultz (SgtHansSchultz@stalag13.com), August 20, 1999.
Hey Chicken Little:Saw your post where you said Lord went public with the Navy to increase sales of his Y2k goods. Where is your proof? You talk like you're an authority. Prove it. And don't even go into the name calling sidestep. We can see through that. You obviously can't prove it. Your posts are just another example why many people aren't convinced to take the polly point of view.
All useless hot air. No proof. I'm waiting. Prove your own statement. Prove that Lord went public to increase sales. If you can't, then maybe you should change your name from Chicken Little to Chicken Shit.
-- Haha (ChickenLittle@sucks.com), August 20, 1999.
Chicken Little:Y2K or no Y2K, I am preparing for the next great depression to hit the United States of America.
I would rather live in unceasing propersity, but God Almighty by His Word has declared that our nation will be judged harshly.
All those who are complacent will be shocked by the magnitude of the calamities which will fall upon our nation.
All those who have prepared will be equally shocked by the severity of the problems, but they will have some satisfaction in knowing they they will be able to endure for months.
As for those who have not prepared, well, I hope their trust is in the Living God. They will suffer more than those who knew what to do and DID IT.
There will be no easy escape.
I hope you are preparing.
-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 20, 1999.
"so just when did you stop beating your wife"? is what you folks expect. No good answer, because your premises are FOS.
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999.
Its called thinking and reasoning, Chicken. You know, judging a story against others, seeing how reasonable a story sounds when common sense is applied, that sort of thing. Just as an example: Suppose the question of legitimacy of a document came up that contained info that showed that the owner was making false statements. And the owner, after acknowleging that the document was his, attempted to explain away the document by claiming that it was never hidden, it was always in plain sight, though recently it was removed. Though he could not remember where it was in plain sight, nor when it was removed. Oh, and also he could not really explain why the statements in the document ran counter to his current statements either, other than if he did not have enough info to know what to say, he just made up the statement as the "default", even though he knew that this was completely at odds with statements that he was making elsewhere.
Now, Chicken, putting on our thinking caps, we would think that was pretty silly, wouldn't we? And think the document's owner was trying to put one over on us, wouldn't we? And we wouldn't be fooled, would we?
Of course, that was just a far fetched example. Nothing like that would ever happen in real life. (Of course, in real life, I guess a king wouldn't be talking to a chicken, either....)
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 20, 1999.
Chicken Little will be dead from starvation by March 2000, GUARANTEED!If he joins a hungry marauding gang, he will die from a bullet by February 2000, GUARANTEED!
If he has no water to drink by January 15, 2000, he will be dead by January 18, GUARANTEED!
-- smitty (smitty@sandiego.com), August 20, 1999.
Hey King of Spain, ya wanna mud wrestle me?
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 20, 1999.
Well let's make it easy for Haha, and take him/her/it thru this process step by step. Hope the rest of you are watching, for future reference....Now. We have this Y2k author, Jim Lord. He used to write for the Westergaard site, but doesn't any more. Therefore his exposure has dropped. I know that's hard for Haha to understand, but are the rest of you kiddies with me? Okay. Good.
Now. All of a sudden this Mr. Lord comes out with some mysterious "paper" he says he has access to, which nobody else in the whole wide world has! Sounds like a secret, doesn't it! Wooooooooo (I think we've lost Mr. Haha by now, but you 3rd-graders are still with us, right?)
All of a sudden we get Mr. Koskinen in the picture: he has connections that Mr. Lord could never dream of -- he says Mr. Lord doesn't know what he's talking about. But people like Haha from kindergarten, and others from the 2nd grade, say they know more than Mr. Koskinen.
They think they've been in high government positions, and that the entire government is lying to them! And that they know what's going on better than anyone! Even though some of them do nothing more than farm pigs and sit at a computer sometimes! Perhaps these people need to go live in Russia! Then they'd realize what they were missing, and we'd all be better off!
What a fun story!
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999.
Chicken Little:Is it true you once were a doomer?
Why did you become complacent and satisfied with the propaganda provided by our government and banks and corporations?
I am not jousting with you. I only hope you will reconsider that the USA government is not telling the complete truth to the people.
Do you disagree?
-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 20, 1999.
They think they've been in high government positions, and that the entire government is lying to them! And that they know what's going on better than anyone! Even though some of them do nothing more than farm pigs and sit at a computer sometimes!Hey Chicken.... I get more hard info in a day than you'll ever see in a lifetime, which in your rather sad little case will be short. I've got every data feed, inside government info, state info, you name it. My business is infrastructure critical. What do you do for a living loser?
Take your head out of your ass for a while....
-- Jim Smith (cyberax@ix.netcom.com), August 20, 1999.
Chicken Little:Can you read? Kindly point out to me where I said I know more than Koskinen. Can't do it eh? May I suggest a remedial reading course at your local community college.
-- haha (chickenlittle@sucks.com), August 20, 1999.
We do not need rhetoric.We need remediation!
-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 20, 1999.
Jim Smith/Everyone:We're wasting our time. Chicken Little is delusional. He/She makes up points of view and then attributes them to others. Like me thinking I know more than Koskinen. Where and when did I say that? Where is that Chicken? Or do you possess some psychic power that enables you to know a person's view despite what they do or do not write? Have you been sitting in on Hilary's consultations with Eleanor Roosevelt?
The only one who is FOS on this thread is Chicken Little. Later peeps. There has to be some pollys on this board who actually have something intelligent to bring to this discussion beside their delusions. And for the record, I don't think Y2K will be the end of civilization. So I'll nip that one in the bud for ya' Chicken, just in case you have another 'revelation' that proves (at least in your enfeebled mind) that I think the world ends on 1/1/2000.
-- haha (chickenlittle@sucks.com), August 20, 1999.
RandolphYeppers it's true, a year ago I was a bona fide "8". Died in the wool. And I don't believe 100% of anything put out by anybody.
Only thing I believe 100% can be found between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21. And I do a sorry job of living by what that Book says, at this point. Backslider, they call it.
BUT to answer what you're asking: I think the government is coming a whole lot closer to telling the truth to people than are the Doomers such as North/Yourdon/Hyatt/Hamasaki/Milne. I know it in my bones that these folks are out for personal/political agendas that are not in the best interests of Joe Average. They are self/serving, or there ain't a cow in Texas.
Yes I'm preparing. But not for a freaking year, or six months. I'm preparing for two weeks. But where I live, that's not so hugely different from what we're SUPPOSED to do, anyway (though few do). We get hit with hurricanes regularly. Those who don't prepare get caught with their pants down, and they whine.
I'm not anti-preparation. I'm anti-UNREASONABLE-preparation. No need to prepare for a year, when at worst it'll be 2 weeks. And I sincerely believe that. Whereas a year ago, I was more the 6-month type of guy. Seriously.
These people who are trying to whip the populace into a frenzy make me MAD, because I think they KNOW BETTER. I.e. profit motives....
There ya go. That's my thinking in a nutshell. As nice as I can put it. Now back to the war zone.........
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999.
Chicken Little:Methinks we have a lot more in common than previously believed. May I offer a whiff of the 'olive branch'? I don't deny that people are trying to make a buck off fear. Have seen it myself. And yes, I too am angry when I see people charging 2X to 10X for what I can pick up at a dollar store. Like 120 hour candles. Sporting goods store charge up to $10 for them. Anyone can get them for $1 at your local dollar store. I am not a doomer, either. So please don't think that I am.
Personally, I hope we don't have to use our preps.
-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 20, 1999.
Like it or not, CL has raised a legitimate question. I have been involved in conversations on this forum in which a number of people have claimed there is a vast media/government cover-up "conspiracy". Most "positive" mainstream media reports that find their way here are quickly dismissed as nothing more than "spin" written to accomodate this conspiracy. On the other hand, I have seen "negative" stories from the *same* media sources discussed here without any question as to their validity. (No, I can't provide URLs) Let's assume the scenerio that ABC or AP announced the Navy report but it was a "positive" report. What would the reaction have been here? If somebody posted it they would no doubt have been ridiculed for having presented this mainstream "spin". On the other hand, ABC and AP reported a "negative" Navy story and it's been quoted as gospel for the last two days. (It doesn't matter that Jim Lord first reported it. The reaction to these type stories are usually the same on this forum.) My question is; how do the media/government conspiracy theorists determine if a story is "spin" or "truth" when it comes from the same media source? It isn't a matter of being able to verify the story. Obviously Lord didn't offer much in the way of verification (such as methodology of survey, anonymous source, etc). Is it simply a matter of the information fitting/not fitting your current opinion?
-- CD (not@here.com), August 20, 1999.
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Conclusion
I know I am going to get a barrage of criticism from sending out this bulletin. I always do. Some will accuse me of fear-mongering. Others will accuse me of profiteering from Y2K. The truth is that I am taking the time to write because I AM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WELFARE. Maybe I'm naove, but I still think you can mitigate the effects of this crisis if you take the initiative to prepare for it. But I'm also convinced that if you don't, you WILL become a victim.
The bottom line is that I no longer care about the criticism. I am doing my best to warn people of what's coming. We have worked hard to make it easy for people to get the basic supplies they need at affordable prices. If you want to ignore the warnings signs, fine. But if Y2K turns out to be something more than the federal government's official three-day-winter-snowstorm scenario, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.
Let those who have ears to hear, hear.
Sincerely,
Michael S. Hyatt
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-- Not Afraid (mantra @doom.com), August 20, 1999.
<-- Jim Smith (cyberax@ix.netcom.com), August 20, 1999>> What I do for a living, sir, does not involve unsubstantiated claims....unlike yourself. You know very little about me, that is obvious. Follow your own advice regarding personal extremity extraction, is my advice to you.
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Haha: show me where you hold Koskinen's statements above those of Jim Lord...only way you'll refute my contentions logically.....ONLY way. It's got to be one or the other. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
I'd almost think you were "Andy" but you're a bit more rational. Just a bit.
Are you Andy on Thorazine?
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999.
Haha:time got the best of the deal...it happens. Right after posting the last one, saw your 'olive branch' dealie
well, we'll just play a tune and think about that one Jed
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 20, 1999.
Chicken:ROFL. I agree with you on the Good Book, too. Unfortunately, I'm also in the same boat as you with regard to the state of my soul. All prayers are appreciated. :)
-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 20, 1999.
Michael Hyatt is all about making money for Michael Hyatt. Hey, this is called free enterprise and it makes our world go round an' round. He just sugar coats his intentions more than most. The stuff he sells are valuable prep components but many others sell the same items for less without the bullshit. Kind of like your local church doubling as a Wal-Mart.
-- Don't (be@fool.ed), August 21, 1999.
Well Haha,I reckon you and I have gotten to where we can call a personal truce, eh.
Not that it'll matter too much...I had basically called it quits, but this Lord Navy crap rousted me up again.
But truce. OK. If you'll agree.
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 21, 1999.
Now that Chicken Little and haha, (did I really just write that?), are all lovey dovey.....CL wrote>> "I'm not anti-preparation. I'm anti-UNREASONABLE- preparation. No need to prepare for a year, when at worst it'll be 2 weeks. And I sincerely believe that. Whereas a year ago, I was more the 6-month type of guy. Seriously."
You people are living in some kind of, electronic fascination, buy some fiat, with fiat, walking talking, entertain me, wonderland.
can u say civil war??
can u say world war??
can u say nuke-em??
can u say bubble??
can u say 99+1=00??
2 wk prep my ass,, too too much crap going on to only prep for y2k....
think a little harder,, see a little further,,,
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), August 21, 1999.
Yeah Mr. Wright.I can say all those things. I can also say "you're a babbling paranoid idiot". Of course, that has no application to you. I just felt like typing it.
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 21, 1999.
Now what type of person falls to name calling to embelish their veiw??
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), August 21, 1999.
who's calling names? I plainly said that had no application to you, or anyone, by extension.
-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), August 21, 1999.
why try to convince people who NEED to be right?My decision to prepair is my own,and why should I care what chicken little thinks? His attitude towards capitalism does puzzle me,though.Is not corporate america based on selling useless things to a stupid masses?
-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), August 21, 1999.
Chicken Little,Do you believe in Koskinen so much that you are willing to put your life in his hands? That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
My opinion that it's Koskinen's job to keep the people calm. It's his job to keep the money in the banks and in the market.
You seen to have much faith in our government. I wish I did.
Tick.. Tock... <:00=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), August 21, 1999.
You know what?? He's doing a damn fine job..I hope you remember those thoughts you just blow off CL, give it a couple years. "This world's loaded, and it's lit to pop"! Like Perry said, if your familiar, "ain't nobody gonna stop"!
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), August 21, 1999.