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Now GN's site is advocating buying additional wilderness property, beyond what people have already bought, for Y2K. The reasoning is, if you and your Y2K stash are discovered, then you have yet another Y2K ready place to retreat to.

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Gee, maybe this is the reason why so many Pollies think Preparation=Bankruptcy.

Sometimes I wonder if GN isn't a Pollie Troll, in disguise, trying to discredit us.

Besides the obvious finacial problem this idea would cause most people, there's an even more obvious problem. If they've already discovered you, then what's to stop them from following you to the new place? I guess you could kill them, but that sorta takes care of the discovery problem, doesn't it?

Duh, Gary. Are you getting enough sleep?

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 18, 1999

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And Infomagic, in his Infomagic III article in Hamasaki's "D.C. Weather Report" issue 107, advocates having many hidden caches known only to you and a trusted few, containing stored food, gold coins, assault rifles, etc.

Look, Bokonon, nobody knows whats going to happen or just how bad its going to be. There are no experts, just amateurs giving their best swags as to how to get through it. In my case, I re-located from an urban environment to a rural environment for the sole purpose of setting up my Y2K survival property. I can't afford a backup property; this is where I make my stand. But, for those very few who can, it does make sense. You can't have too many flexible options with Y2K.

-- Jack (jsprat@eld.net), August 18, 1999.

I like Gary, but ya ever notice sometimes he sounds like he's losing it a little? He is probably stressed to the max between his own preps and running his site and newsletter, etc. I definately think he's starting to sound..um..like one of those genius mad scientists.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), August 18, 1999.

What do you expect from people who expect the end of the world? A 3 day supply?

-- Chris (%$^&^@pond.com), August 18, 1999.

Gary North has saved my life. I may not agree with everything he says, nor agree with his y2k worldview,but he alerted me to the problem and I have acted. All you who make fun, kiss his a**!! HE DID SOMETHING FOR MILLIONS! He woke us up. Maybe he is wrong about the religion, the dominoes, the grid, but he put the fear of GOD into me and I started on my preps in June of 98. I owe him big time. He is my y2k mentor; like all mentors, I need not agree with all he says, but the outlines are clearly there.

Out. Semper Fidelis, Richard,USMC

-- Richard,USMC (rkb65@hotmail.com), August 18, 1999.


Bokonon, you made several good points. GN is by no means a Polly Troll. When you have a fanatic that totally believes in TEOTWAWKI, you get the results of people like Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate, and even Charles Manson. They are out of control, and yes, the messenger at one time may have helped a lot of people, and may have even brainwashed a lot of people. But when people gain power and have a following, they lose sight of what they were in the beginning and have become someone else in the end. Gary North has helped me to realize that Y2K could be a big problem and I have prepared. But I can separate fanaticism from reality, I worry about those than can't.

-- I can discern (Icandiscern@Icandiscern.com), August 18, 1999.


Gary North put the fear of (or was it the fear of DOG?) in me (very funny, faithfulone).

I've totally changed my mind about Gary North now. Thanks to this latest advice. I was speaking with Gary's God, and He told me that I had better have enough land to protect myself from all the bad guys.

He suggested that, since no one will be able to get more than one tank of gas for his car, I needed to be one tank of gas away from ANYONE ELSE WHO COULD POSSIBLY COME KNOCKING ON MY DOOR. What ENLIGHTENMENT! HOW OBVIOUS! HOW PERFECT IN THE SIMPLICITY OF THE PLAN!!!!!!!!!

I'm one of those folks who CAN afford another retreat. But, thanks to the advice of Gary's GOD, I am going to purchase the state of Texas. I'll build my fortress right in the middle (they actually call Waco the "Hub of Texas") and no one will be able to reach me from anywhere outside the state.

Although I have, of course, perfect faith in Gary's God, I would still welcome ANYONE ELSE'S GOD'S advice. I pray daily at bedtime, usually around 7:30 (we old guys need our beauty rest, ya know). Have your God contact me then.

Thanks SO much for your help.

Al

-- Al K. Lloyd (al@ready.now), August 19, 1999.


Al,

I believe you were one of the people, in another thread, who knew who the original Bokonon was. For the edification of those who don't, Bokonon was a fictional character in a novel by Vonnegutt. He invents a religion, in order to bring joy to the citizens of a very miserable and imoverished bannana republic. Without knowing it, every word he fabricates, ends up being the truth.

The "Book Of Bokonon" has this to say, "The Bible says 'render unto Ceasar, what is Ceasar's'. I say, pay no attention to Ceasar. He has no idea what is really going on, and neither does anyone else."

Does this help?

BTW, I can only afford to buy Rhode Island. I guess I'm toast.

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 19, 1999.


Bokonon,

I have enjoyed your posts a lot lately. I'll PRAY that someone has a bargain basement sale on a larger state.

By the way, it's been a LOOONG time since I read Vonnegut; loved his books, but I don't remember the Bokonon part; must have been someone else. Which book was it in?

Al

-- Al K. Lloyd (al@ready.now), August 19, 1999.


Cat's Cradle - best end-of-the-world novel ever written, IMHO.

-- Bokonon (bokonon@My-Deja.com), August 19, 1999.

Um, Al, hate to tell you this, but...Waco's on that "Cities at Risk" list - says we'll lose our sewage treatment. Deep doo-doo aroun' heah. Hub of what?

-- mommacarestx (harringtondesignX@earthlink.net), August 19, 1999.


Mommacares, are you really from Waco? The "Hub of Texas"? Home of the Baylor Bears?

Not to worry, just divert the poop DIRECTLY into the Brazos (Los Brazos del Dios, dontcha know)

If you have water problems, just truck on over to Cameron Park. Lots of water in those big, cold springs. Leastways, there sure used to be. I hope all our overpopulation hasn't caused all the farmers to suck the Edwards Aquifer dry yet, like they are doing to the Ogalalla.

Al

-- Al K. Lloyd (al@ready.now), August 19, 1999.


From a review of Daniel Patrick Moynihan's latest book, Secrecy :

...Moynihan bases the book on what he learned as chairman of the Commission on Protecting and Reducing Government Secrecy, which sounds rather Big brotherish, but came out of his growing doubts about secrecy in government. These doubts deepened after his service on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Beginning with the Espionage Act of 1917 and working up to the present, Moynihan concludes -- with the innocent alarm of which only a person who has spent his adulthood in government is capable -- that our government has been routinely, if not systematically, keeping the truth from the nation.

The government has lied to us. And to itself. When the Army cracked the Russian spy code, for example, Gen. Omar Bradley kept it from President Harry Truman.

Instead of a report, the commission on secrecy might have reissued the fiction of Kurt Vonnegut and Joseph Heller...

And so it goes.

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), August 19, 1999.


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