When Alice followed the white rabbit down the hole, she soon was confronted with all manner of strange behavior. I think I am starting to feel a bit like Alice.....I just read the post about NERC withholding information and lying to FEMA and the DOE about the status of electrical power stations,including Nuclear plants. It seems that in their capacity as spokesman, and protector of the power industry, they have a smug and elitist attitude about who should have pertinent information...And here is where I feel very strange, they even lied ( and admit to lying )To FEMA and other govt. entities about the readiness of the power industry. They told the power industry to proclaim readiness for y2k whether they were ready or not! Now, is it just me, or is this a blatant and clear example of how we are talked down to and lied to by a seemingly imperious organization (NERC). Apparently the issues that weren't y2k ready should be hidden by the very same group that our govt. appointed to keep us informed. NOW..just as we can't believe certain elected officials (pick one), how are we to believe NERC in the future? I was almost persuaded about the bump in the road, but now I think we have no choice but to prepare for who knows what. The VIPs think they know what's best for us and it's easy to see why they would. We are like sheep being herded by a good sheep dog! We trot along in one direction, and at the first news bite or well crafted "spin" we turn and run head long in another direction. It's amazing,and certainly scary that we allow certain liberials and the media to lead (mis-lead) us so easily. I sometimes scare myself.. these things that now appear so obvious to me would have seemed like crackpot conspiracy trash talk a few years ago. When truth and integrity is gone,it's all gone. And it appears that it's gone.

-- citizen (lost@sea.com), August 03, 1999

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are you feeling dizzy?

-- (VRMVq @ .  ), August 03, 1999.

What you are thinking and saying seems to be quite correct.

-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), August 03, 1999.

It's not the liberals, citizen. You don't understand what a liberal is. A liberal has some of the same ideas that you have. This is not a liberal administration. It is not a liberal ideal to lie to people or to hire PR companies to spin perception of events. There are plenty ways in which we differ, but that isn't it.

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWayne@aol.com), August 03, 1999.

Mara I'll admit that liberal shot was a bit unfair..but I was on a roll!

-- citizen (lost@sea.com), August 04, 1999.

Mara: Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 04, 1999.

King I wouldn't complain, as i figure you are offering comic relief, but once per target is enough. i believe we established the answer to that on another thread.

Start a data base or sump'in.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), August 04, 1999.

Liberal or conservative -- machs nichts. Just different variations of the same fascist lying crook archetype.

BTW
Reagan -- Teflon president
Bush -- Oily president
Klinton -- vaseline President


-- A (A@AisA.com), August 04, 1999.

Citizen, I think we are all feeling the same emotions that you are right now. Everyday something else comes out and throws us into an emotional uproar. Who knows what to believe? You can either stick with your own thoughts on it or be led by the ear to who knows where. The only thing you can do is try not to worry yourself sick over it all and prepare regardless of whatever spin they throw at you. Just follow your heart to do the right thing for your family and preparing really does help you sleep at night. I am baking a dozen more jar breads right now as we speak and it is past midnight. Hope for the best...prepare for the worst.... I don't know who coined that phrase but it keeps me going. Shellie

P.S. Throw a mudball at King for me. Right in the 'ol kisser.

-- shellie (shellie01@hotmail.com), August 04, 1999.

There are people all across the political/social/economic spectrum who share your response, citizen. And I have no doubt that the same could be said about the people who are trying to spin the Y2K status reports coming out of businesses and government. I have a sick feeling that even FEMA is lying, because my spouse is very active as a paramedic/driver/resuce lt. and officer of the local vol. station, and the only one he claims to be hearing anything from about Y2K is ME... once you leave the cities in America, the majority of fire and EMS services are provided by volunteers, all of whom have regular jobs, and many of whom will be at those jobs as policemen, nurses, firemen, etc. as the date rollsover. Maybe FEMA expects the states and counties to have thought through and instated contingency plans, or maybe the states and counties are waiting for FEMA to tell them whether such planning is really necessary. I tell you, all of the people who I know who on the frontline actually responding to those 911 calls, think Y2K is nothing more than hype... I have to think that this attitude is not being contradicted or tempered by anything they are hearing from above. They have heard more about responding to terrorist attacks all through the last year or so, but nothing about Y2K. Does this mean that govt. really doesn't think it will be an event of national scope? God, I hope they are right. They'd better be, or else it will be one more way in which things get worse than they needed to, because people weren't trusted to respond sensibly and pull together to work through the difficulties.

-- Kristi (KsaintA@aol.com), August 04, 1999.

There are people all across the political/social/economic spectrum who share your response, citizen. No doubt that the same could be said about the people who are spinning the Y2K status reports coming out of businesses and government. I have a sick feeling that even FEMA is being less than truthful about its Y2K preps. My spouse is very active as a paramedic/driver/rescue lt. and officer of the local volunteer station. He claims that the only one he hears anything from about Y2K is ME...which of course proves that I am wrong to be concerned. FEMA must be aware that for the people outside of the cities in America, the majority of fire and EMS services are provided by volunteers, many of whom have regular jobs which they will be at, as policemen, nurses, firemen, etc. as the date rollsover. Maybe FEMA expects the states and counties to have thought through and instated contingency plans, or maybe the states and counties are waiting for FEMA to warn them that such planning is really necessary. All of the people I know who are on the frontline actually responding to our 911 calls, think Y2K is nothing more than hype... I have to think that this attitude is not being contradicted or tempered by anything they are hearing from above. They have been alerted about responding to terrorist attacks all through the last year or so, but nothing about Y2K. Does this mean that govt. really doesn't think it will be an event of national scope? God, I hope they are right. They'd better be, or else it will be one more way in which things get worse than they needed to, because citizens weren't trusted to respond sensibly and plan together to work through the difficulties.

-- Kristi (KsaintA@aol.com), August 04, 1999.

Citizen, this moderate wonders if FEMA has really been taking Y2K seriously, as having the potential to be a national event. My husband is extremely active as a volunteer provider of local EMS/Rescue services. He claims that their station has not received one word from FEMA, or state or county officials to make Y2K contingency plans. Some of the station's most skilled volunteers will be tied up in their regular jobs as policeman, firemen, nurses, etc., and much of their communications and equipment employs computer technology. Yet my husband says I am the only one he has heard talking about Y2k as being anything out of the ordinary. All of the other firemen, policemen, etc. that volunteer there seem to have come to the same conclusion... and these are very responsible people who have young children of their own to worry about. They must not be hearing anything from FEMA, the state or the county, because they have concluded that Y2K is just a bunch of hype or end-of-the- century craziness.

Volunteer fire and EMS companies service a HUGE percentage of Americans who do not live in cities. Are they AALL rolling towards 1/1/2000 this blissfully confident that they have nothing to worry about, and no need for contingency plans? Maybe FEMA doesn't really believe anything is going to occur? If they were going to address the need for local planning, wouldn't they have done so by now?... Is it possible that FEMA has done little/nothing to alert the states, and that many states and counties take that as an indicator that they don't have anything special to be ready for? Is it possible that the states assume that Fema is going to handle anything out of the ordinary, and that FEMA assumes the local responders will?

-- Kristi (KsaintA@aol.com), August 04, 1999.

If NERC admitted that our power supply was at risk, even for a day, too much pre-emptive crime planning would commence. Threats foreign and domestic.

Think about it.

And then wonder why governments are buying generators and fuel cells "just in case."

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 04, 1999.