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-- MidWestMike_ (MidWestMike_@hotmail.com), July 23, 1999

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Dear MIKE, i know this is a hard pill to swallow' but the B-I-B-L-E say,s to PRAY for our leader,s. only GOD can change the HEART.the B-IB-L-E say,s the HEART of the king is in GOD,S hand. i know it,s hard' but all the complaining in the world won,t change the COMMANDMENT,S of GOD. SATAN WANT,S US TO GET SO focused ON PROBLEM,S that we forget to seek the PROBLEM-SOLVER.[WHO,S IN CONTROL?]

-- sadman. (dogs@zianet.com), July 23, 1999.

Mike,

Correct me if I'm not misstaken. Didn't they say 92% in march? Didn't they say 92% in june, then say they gave an estimate in the march figure? Isn't it 1 wk from August and are they still at 92%??????

Thanks for the link. I think I'll go explore. (it's all propoganda, ya know?)

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 23, 1999.

al,

You were posting when I did. I absolutely will not pray for Clinton. Never Never Never.

Please ponder these al:

General Smedley Butler "I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service."

George Orwell "A world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet"

Smedley D. Butler, (1881-1940) Major Gen U.S. Marines "I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-classc muscle man for Big business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street...."

And my 2nd favorite Martin Luther King Jr. line...

" Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal. "

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 23, 1999.

I understand your feelings. there,s alot in the B-I-BL-E i donnnnnnn,t like[human understanding] but I didn,t make the rules.all i know is HE[LORD] said HIS way,s are not our way,s.thank GOD some day HE will restore ALL things. it,s hard to be HUMBLE.it,s easier to curse the DARKNESS than to lite a candle.believe me I have some major arguement,s with HIM, i,ve even told HIM i hate your gut,s'your a big bully. blah'blah'blah.but i alway,s end-up saying who the hell am i 'to question HIS program? it forces me to SEEK answer,s.

-- it is hard. (dogs@zianet.com), July 23, 1999.

I admire your honesty.

Rick, who's rocked the same boat.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 23, 1999.

I agree that we should pray for Clinton. The info given on praying for our leaders is correct. Why wouldn't you want to pray for someone who has murdered many innocent people in Kosovo?

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), July 23, 1999.

The man is in the 'other' camp folks (in more ways than one). That's exactly where he should be vacationing for eternity. If he wants salvation, it's between him and the almighty. I pray for the rest of us, God has ways of dealing with the likes of Clinton, hopefully the rest of us do too.

We need to keep vigil over this bum every bit as much as we do over Russia or China or any other world-wide threat to this country and what it stands for. Don't let him drop from your sights.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 23, 1999.

It is certainly debatable whether or not there will be any observable change in President Clinton's behavior as a result of our prayers. Let me remind myself that prayer is not majjic, a pseudo-scientific technique to gain control over someone else to suit my own beliefs, however correct and right they may be. When I say "I can't" it is usually accurately translated "I'm not willing." And to argue that any expression of personal faith is inconsistent with this forum is to ignore the myriad of other, non-technical expressions allowed. For me to pray for President Clinton is more an exercise in reducing the total level of malice in my own spirit, even if I had to start out by asking, "God, please bless that s.o.b." My experience has proven a definite benefit to me - the effect on Mr. Clinton is none of my dadgum business. Reducing the toxicity of acid running through my veins has improved my ability to think, prepare and be at peace with my own imperfections.

-- Procopious (whynot@zog.net), July 23, 1999.

Well said Procopious. It tends to be my biggest challenge, and I ask for the ability to do so all the time. Recently, I've found it to be quite a struggle. I'll work on it.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 23, 1999.

Why some of us fear Clinton?
1999 WorldNetDaily.com

The Bible teaches us to love our enemies and to hate no one. This is a very noble way to live, though few of us attain such grace. Perhaps the reason so few of us can love our enemies has to do with the link between hate and fear. If someone makes us afraid, we eventually come to hate that person. And, however brave some of us are, fear sometimes gets the better of us.

It has sometimes been remarked that the so-called "far right" is irrational in its hatred of Bill Clinton. Many liberal media types think the impeachment of President Clinton was a mean-spirited, hate-inspired attack on a poor sick guy who suffers from a sexual addiction. Some leftists are especially baffled, because they don't see anything special about Clinton that is particularly threatening or dangerous.

Well, it is time someone explained the right's fear of Bill Clinton. For if any of us hate Bill Clinton -- and certainly we shouldn't hate anyone, as the Bible says -- it is fear, at bottom, that inspires us. This is not a proud acknowledgement, but an honest one. Some of us really do fear Clinton. We experience his term in office as a dangerous time, as a time in which American institutions are exposed to corruption and degradation. It is a time when freedom is imperiled at home and national security is weakened abroad.

I can hear my friends on the left chuckling at all this. Such nonsense, they say to themselves. Such right wing paranoia. But wait. Stop. Let me explain, by way of comparison, where the so-called "extreme right" is coming from.

What if you were Jewish. Imagine how you would feel if America elected a president who, as a college student, had worked for a Nazi front organization, then made a trip to Hitler's Berlin (about which he is not very forthcoming). Imagine, also, that he married someone with ties to numerous anti-Semitic organizations, someone who idolizes Mussolini and Franco.

How would you feel?

I first heard of Bill Clinton 16 years ago. Here is how it happened. I was getting a teaching credential, and one of my classes was on adolescent psychology. The professor in this course, who was a very admirable teacher, seemed to favor me. One day, after class, she invited me to a 7 p.m. meeting at the Science Lecture Hall. At the time I didn't know she was a Marxist, and I didn't know the meeting would be political. She said that if I cared about education in the state of California I would attend. Having the night off from work I decided on going, partly owing to curiosity. Well, I couldn't have been more surprised if it had been a coven of witches. Arriving early at the Science Lecture Hall, I found communist literature -- books and pamphlets -- stacked on tables in the lobby.

A visiting professor was the speaker. He gave a rousing talk on overthrowing the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" in America. How would this be accomplished? By taking over the Democratic Party through its left wing. The speaker said it was possible to elect a stealth socialist president, who would effect a peaceful transition to socialism during the next great economic down-turn. Capitalism would be unmasked as a bankrupt system. The people would then support a new socialist system. All businesses would be nationalized by the government and run like the Post Office. This socialist president, said the speaker, could be elected in either 1988 or 1992. The only problem was that of timing. When would the next major economic downturn hit?

Some days later I went to visit my professor at her office hours. We talked about the speaker and the book he had written. We talked about Marxism and the idea of changing the system. Then, suddenly, my professor said: "We have such high hopes for this young Arkansas governor, Bill Clinton."

That was the first time I heard Bill Clinton's name.

But it wasn't the first time I'd heard this idea of taking over the left wing of the Democratic Party and electing a stealth socialist president. I'd first heard that idea in 1981, when I was a senior at the University of California. The left wing activist, Derek Shearer, came to speak on the subject of "economic democracy." Two radical friends of mine dragged me to hear him, though I had my heart set on a game of chess that day. So I went to listen to Shearer's talk, and I sat there in the front row, concentrating on his theory of "economic democracy," thinking to myself: This is just like Marxism.

After Shearer finished speaking I went up and asked him, point blank. "Mr. Shearer, what is the difference between Marxism and "economic democracy"? He looked at me a bit suspiciously for a second, then he said, "I probably shouldn't say this, but there is no difference."

I had a long discussion with Shearer about why he wasn't a forthright Marxist. He said that Marxism was unpopular with the American people, who have a knee-jerk negative reaction to words like "socialism" and "communism," even though -- according to Shearer -- these are perfectly good words. Therefore, in order to win Americans over to socialist ways of thinking, you need to create a new, euphemistic language -- a kind of linguistic deception. Shearer also talked about taking over the Democratic Party through its left wing and electing a stealth socialist president.

As it happens, Derek Shearer is a friend of Bill Clinton.

Again, think if you were Jewish, and the American president and first lady flirted with Nazism and had friends who were anti-Semites.

But the Nazis were mass murderers. It is wrong to compare them with Marxists.

Our leftist friends forget that tens of millions of conservatives, traditionalists, nationalists, Christians, and others have been persecuted, murdered, and driven into concentration camps by Marxists. Nearly a third of the nation of Cambodia was killed by Marxists. The killing continues today, in Angola, Mozambique, Colombia and the Congo. Let us be perfectly honest. The historical record is indisputable. Marxism means the persecution of Christians, the execution of right wing dissidents, massive slave labor camps, and grinding poverty for countless millions of terrified, muzzled human beings. So when it happens that we compare Marxism to Nazism we are not being unfair in our comparison. We are being historically accurate. We are describing what has happened to conservatives and Christians in country after country. We are talking about mass murder.

What the left has to finally acknowledge, is that the ideas of Marx and Lenin, Trotsky and Mao, are as threatening and evil to some of us as the anti-Semitic ideas of Hitler are to Jewish people. If you look in the Guinness Book of World Records you will not find Hitler listed as the world's number one mass murderer. No, that distinction belongs to Chairman Mao. And after Mao, the next greatest mass murderer happens to be Josef Stalin. Marxist ideologues have killed over 100 million innocent people in the twentieth century. The Nazis killed only a fraction of this.

Nobody on the right in this country is going to defend Nazi associations. If a Republican candidate for president was involved with anti-Semites, racists, or worked for Nazi front organizations he would be denounced -- first and foremost -- by other Republicans and conservatives. Why is it, then, that the Democratic Party is soft on Marxism? Why does it tolerate so many fellow-travelers and disciples of the hard left? Come now, let us confront this double standard in American politics.

It is doubly ironic, therefore, that the left constantly refers to the "extreme right wing." But this is unfair, because the conservatives in this country do not tolerate the totalitarian right. On the other hand, the liberals in this country have always been soft on the totalitarian left. And that's why many of us fear Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many of us see through the phony centrism of President Clinton. We know what his ideological commitments have been, and we know who his wife is.

Does anyone remember that Hillary Clinton arranged to give $15,000 to the National Lawyer's Guild -- an organization founded in the 1930s as a branch of the Communist Party USA -- when she chaired the New World Foundation? Does anybody deny her assistance to various Marxist-inspired causes, from the Black Panthers to the Christic Institute and CISPES (a front for Central American Marxist terrorists)?

Bill Clinton was not merely a draft evader during the Vietnam War. The truth is, he was for the Viet Cong terrorists. And that is why he went to Moscow and Prague almost 30 years ago. That is why he married the young radical, Hillary Clinton. And that is why he was friends with Derek Shearer. It also explains why my professor of 16 years ago, who was a Marxist, had such high hopes for that young governor, Bill Clinton.

Seven months ago an intelligence professional, whose credentials are impeccable, told me something quite alarming. He told of a taped conversion between two Czech Communist officials. They were discussing a young American college student -- Bill Clinton -- who was then visiting Prague. They mentioned that he was expected to attend a meeting at a certain place which was reserved for the recruitment of Communist bloc agents.

"Where is this tape now," I asked.

"Nobody seems to know," he answered.

In February there was another curious incident involving a retired CIA official. This particular fellow was genuinely alarmed at information he had on President Clinton's ties to the Russian security services. When pressed by a famous journalist to provide details, the CIA man shrank away. Publicity is death to people involved in secret intelligence work.

And now, more recently, I have received information from a third source inside U.S. intelligence. His story is even more fantastic. It is so fantastic that I dare not repeat what he reported. Naturally, everyone on the political left and in the center will denounce the very idea that the president has secret Marxist sympathies that have compromised him.

Some would say that repeating such rumors is irresponsible. But there comes a point in time when it becomes irresponsible and dishonest NOT to say what we are feeling and thinking -- and to withhold the reasons that we fear a certain world leader.

I did not invent the rumors which are circulating within the intelligence community. Anyone connected with the intelligence community has probably heard these rumors. People will either dismiss them or take them seriously, depending on their political point of view. What I want to say to the moderates who are shocked at these rumors, and to the leftists who fear a vast right-wing conspiracy, is simple: try to put yourselves in our shoes. Be a little sympathetic. Try to understand why we fear Bill and Hillary Clinton. These fears are not irrational, but entirely understandable. And when we discover that the White House has used the IRS to persecute those of us who disagree with him and fear his vague Marxist background, then we are confirmed in our fears. The unscrupulous use of power to suppress dissent is the beginning of dictatorship. It is this sort of behavior that we all found intolerable in the presidency of Richard Nixon. And we did not defend him when the facts became clear. In that event, the Republican Party itself turned against Nixon.

But the Democrats do not follow the Republican example. No matter what abuse of power or malfeasance of office, the Democrats support the president. It makes us afraid of the Democratic Party itself. What has happened to it? Is it becoming like one of those totalitarian political parties that supports the leader, the boss, no matter what law he breaks? Certainly it is wrong to hate the president. But it is nonetheless correct to demand an accounting for his Marxist past, his corrupt administration, and his abuse of power. Suspecting Bill Clinton of Marxist sympathies should not be a crime. It is not a crazy speculation, but only natural for those of us who have studied his career and his associations. If the country continues to evade the issue of the president's Marxist connections because any such inquiry is somehow "McCarthyist," then the country might as well admit to an area of defacto censorship.

We have reasons to fear the Clintons, and these reasons deserve consideration.

J.R. Nyquist is a WorldNetDaily contributing editor and author of 'Origins of the Fourth World War.'

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), July 23, 1999.

TOUCHE, Nabi!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 23, 1999.

When this putz is out of the White House the truth will bowl the nation over. Much of the world already knows what an unprincipled piece of dung we have in the oval office. That shit Hillary (what a god awfull name) will pay the price for her treason as well. "Senator" Hillary? What a joke that would be.

yuch.

-- Mike (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), July 23, 1999.

I was a student at a "radical" Eastern university, in the early eighties. Most of the faculty are Marxists, a good number openly; certainly none there are conservative (for long). "Cultural Studies," another crypto-Marxist "linguistic deception," is force-fed there, as is the practice of "journaling" - writing, as part of nearly every course, an intimate journal of one's thoughts, to be evaluated by the instructor. Those who have seen the Communist "re-education" camp scene in the film "The Last Emperor" will be familiar with this pedagogical device.

Anyhow, I remember when Clinton got elected. At the time I was a budding socialist, and asked my old prof how socialism would be effected, as I thought that a revolution of the people was impossible against a modern, high-tech army with sophisticated crowd-control. "Is it likely to be more of a coup de etat?" I asked. He answered: "Well, with the election of Bill Clinton, I think we have achieved a coup de etat." At the time I humored him, and thought he was being extremely optimistic; I viewed both parties as thoroughly capitalist tools. Now, after reading the books "Betrayed" and "Year of the Rat," (recommended to me on this forum) and other revelations about the Clinton's connections to revolutionary Marxists, I'm convinced that my professor was correct: Bill Clinton is not just a sympithizer, but a field agent of an international Marxist cabal. He has been groomed for it by a multinational elite of super-rich, who intend to use a "front" of international socialist/communist government (called something else - "the third way" or some other b.s.)as a way to usher in an essentially feudalistic world empire - much as did the German "National Socialists" - the Nazis - on a national level. The same banking families are funding it as funded the Nazis, and the Soviets. They have sold out to China, which will eventually merge with a socialist US and EU. The same super-rich industrialists and financiers will continue to control everything, just as they did in Hitler's "socialist" feudal state - you can bank on it. For them, the "revolution" at street level represents merely a consolidation of power. That's why I'm no longer a socialist - there is no such thing, except in name, and never can be! It's just a way to harness people's frustration, envy and utopian yearning - and it leads inevitably to universal slavery, and the absolute rule of a small, corrupt elite.

Check out the forum "topics" list on freerepublic.com, and look for "Chinagate," "Clintons," "Third Way" and other related topics. Read the recommended literature. Verify all this for yourself.

The Bush dynasty is deeply into this as well, I'm sorry to say. Please don't let hope lead you astray. Track down the facts.

Good luck, people - we're all going to need it!

bullmoose

-- bullmoose (bullmoose@pond.ami), July 23, 1999.

"Good luck, people - we're all going to need it!"

Yeeeeesss. *Quite* truuuuuue. Some.....more than otherrrrrrs. Yesss indeeeeed. Thanks bullmoose, great handle!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 23, 1999.