Polly Frontlines: Give your best y2k pitch

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Ok, y2k Optimists(we'll stop calling you pollys): I say you go to a) the banks, b) supermarkets, c) (lets imagine) brokerages.

It's Dec 27th-

Now, a mother comes up with 4 children, varying ages, to into the supermarket-- give me your pitch, as you stand outside, of how you would convince her there is nothing to worry about, or stock up for.

Next, you're at a bank, and a father comes, with his 3 children of varying ages, to get money out. Give me your best pitch to persuade him not to.

In scenario 3, you are the broker, and a 50 ish man calls, and wants to cash out his stocks. persuade him not to.

To avoid posting a gigantic list of rules, just try to make your pitch, based on the simple scenarios above

Thanks, looking forward to seeing your responses

-- SuperLurker (Slfsl@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999

Answers

SuperLurker,

You are asking the Pollys for something they cannot deliver. The thinking part of their brain isn't working, did you not notice this?

-- BiGG (supersite@acronet.net), July 19, 1999.


Okay I'll have a go at it:

" It's Dec. 27, Hey (your name here)____________ if Y2K was something to worry about then you'd know it and you sure as hell wouldn't have to ask me. It's not like THEY could keep the end of the world a secret. (But please don't say that to Doomer Cultists because they'll call you a shill and slap on their tinfoil hat quicker than you can say "conspiracy theory")"

Right now it's obvious there is no fear about Y2K as there isn't any proof of TEOTWAWKI. How come you Doomers just can't see that? Your going to prepare for a BITR? Fine go ahead, it's called making a shopping list. You think the world is going to come to a screeching halt because of one computer bug? Your nuts, get some help.

You want an Apocalypse to believe in then buy a big telescope and start watching for ELE asteroids.

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(okay, where is the Doomers@sucks imposter (a.k.a - doomsday cultist toadie)who is fond of toilet jokes? Is that you Matt Stone?)

-- (doomers@suck.com), July 19, 1999.


Super:

You seem to have it exactly backwards. The pollies are arguing that people should make their own decisions, based on their own best judgment. That judgment, in turn, should be based on as accurate and comprehensive an understanding of y2k as they can get.

YOU are the ones proselytising and preaching, trying to get everyone to do what YOU think is best for them, usually by exaggerating the dangers and rejecting anything short of an extreme position. YOU have adopted the viewpoint that anyone not strenuously trying to convert people to YOUR viewpoint is actively trying to sabotage it -- even if they say nothing.

I wouldn't try to talk anyone either into, or out of, any decision they'd come to on their own. It's their life, their money. With one possible exception -- since I'm the broker, of course I'd try to get them to cash out in lots of small transactions, so as to maximize my commission. Why not?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 19, 1999.


Flint- not true. pollys(oops) Optimists, usually say "there is nothing to worry about, and nothing to prepare for".

I know optimists don't think people should pull their money out, or stock up, or cash out stocks, cause if they did, they'd be Doomers, right?

so flint, you're wrong, and I'm wondering why you felt the need to try to attack my otherwise constructive post.

by the way, all 3 questions weren't even responded to.

-- SuperLurker (Slfsl@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999.


Super:

I can't agree. "Nothing will happen" is what the pessimists incorrectly accuse the optimists of saying. You can't knock down a straw man until you've set him up, you know?

I could phrase a question by saying, Doomers are jerks, you are a doomer, WHY are you such a jerk? And then I could call this a "reasonable question." But it's a stupid question, based on a false assumption. And if you didn't explain why you're a jerk, I could accuse you of dodging my "reasonable question", because jerks always dodge reasonable questions, right?

You've done the same thing.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 19, 1999.



so, flint, you gonna take the challenge or not. at least doomers had the Guts to try.

i know you're not telling people it's ok to take a lot of money out of the bank, sell their stock, or/and stock up on supplies.

because if you did, then you'd be called a "doomer"

so.... ?

-- Superlurker (Slfsl@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999.


Two more pollytrolls (that are probably secret eights at least) posting BS to bully borderline GIs from preparing, so that the prices are low and availability is "no problem" as long as possible for themselves. That's what this looks like to me; if true, we are talking about these clowns being the moral equivalent of well-off people who are PLANNING to loot to feed themselves next year. Anyone else here think this depiction is accurate for at least some of the forum's more notorious pollytrolls?

www.y2ksafeminnesota.com

-- MinnesotaSmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), July 19, 1999.


I Am Not A Troll.

it was an honest question, intended to see if people that follow the "optimistic" viewpoint, were able to hypothetically put their money where their mouths are.

not a troll. look at the other threads for my posts , minnesota

-- SuperLurker (Slfsl@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999.


I wasn't referring to you, Super. My apologies for the confusion.

www.y2ksafeminnesota.com

-- MinnesotaSmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), July 19, 1999.


Flint,

I believe at one point you said you were going to take all of your money out of the bank. Is this still true? <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999.



SuperL:

You'd think with all the thousands of words the pollys have spewed out, they'd be able to post a quick answer to your question.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 19, 1999.


Flint commented:

"YOU are the ones proselytising and preaching, trying to get everyone to do what YOU think is best for them, usually by exaggerating the dangers and rejecting anything short of an extreme position. YOU have adopted the viewpoint that anyone not strenuously trying to convert people to YOUR viewpoint is actively trying to sabotage it -- even if they say nothing."

Flint, finally signs that you are CRACKING. Won't be long now before the FACTS put you into a complete tail spin. What a twisted individual you are !!

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 19, 1999.


Super:

I'm not telling people to do anything except think about what they read and make informed decisions that satisfy them. I'm not telling them what *not* to do either. Do you want me to tell you what to do, or do you want to make up your own mind?

Ah, but you can tell ME what to do, that's OK, because it's for my own good, right?

Here you are telling the pollies what they're saying, when they aren't saying that at all -- you are simply repeating words falsely put into their mouths. And now you have the chutzpah to sit here and *demand* that these people repeat for themselves what you have dishonestly accused them of saying. And if they refuse to say what they never said, you say they lack the *guts*! What nonsense.

Oh yeah, you never bothered to explain why you are such a jerk. What's the matter, don't you have the guts to admit it? OK then, why are you in denial? I bet you don't have the guts to admit that either. See how easy it is? Have you stopped beating your wife?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 19, 1999.


Ok, i'm a jerk.

now can you answer the challenge or not. it's 3 simple scenarios. my gosh, it's not that hard.

ok, forget anything i said about pollys or doomers.

NOW, if you are an "optimist", tell me what you'd say to those people.

-- SuperLurker (Slfsl@yahoo.com), July 19, 1999.


Flint commented:

"I'm not telling people to do anything except think about what they read and make informed decisions that satisfy them. I'm not telling them what *not* to do either."

Flint, in your own DEVIOUS way you attempt to convince folks that y2k will be a "Bump In The Road". It doesn't take them long to figure out what your up to.

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 19, 1999.



Ray, Flint will be blowing bubbles soon. The dead giveaway is that he now defines "pollies" as folks who tell you to prepare. LOL

-- a (a@a.a), July 19, 1999.

It's Dec 27th-

Now, a mother comes up with 4 children, varying ages, to into the supermarket-- give me your pitch, as you stand outside, of how you would convince her there is nothing to worry about, or stock up for.

I would talk about the fact tht with 4 children, she already stocks up on food. With food prices what they are I am sure she, like me, buys on sale in bulk. I would ask if she has her "earth quake kit" up to date (we have promoted having one in this area for decades)

Next, you're at a bank, and a father comes, with his 3 children of varying ages, to get money out. Give me your best pitch to persuade him not to.

Other than the fact that Christmas is just over and he may not HAVE any money in the bank, I would not tell him to take it out or not to, that is his business.

In scenario 3, you are the broker, and a 50 ish man calls, and wants to cash out his stocks. persuade him not to.

Thats easy, I would remind him of April 15, 2000, and ask him not to send me my commision until after the new year.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 19, 1999.


Flint old buddy, are you aware that if your neighbors don't prepare it doesn't matter how much you prepare, you are still toast.

Do you agree Flint?

Flint, do you understand then why is it important to raise awareness of the possible negative consequences of y2k and to help others prepare?

-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), July 19, 1999.


And before you ask AGAIN Why I posted here and not in answer to Cory's challange, I started it yesterday. It was quiet and I had no pressing matters to take care of and was in a positive frame of mind (considering). Then the M's started coming from behind to beat the Diamondbacks, gave the kid a bath and did her hair to go out, take my daily trip to check on my Father, then on to the "home" to check on my Mother (Who, unfortunatly, was having problems.) When I got home I was no longer in the right frame of mind to continue writing it. Unless you wanted to see me write something out of irritation (I was irritable and tired by then) that I would normally not say. It is called self control. I could call you a !@#$%^&*() and that would accomplish nothing but lower myself down to the leval of "he who hassles me". As there is a game on right now I will peek and post where I feel like it, but my mind will be on the game.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 19, 1999.

Cherri,

Congratulations on starting the essay you promised Cory Hamasaki on April 6, 1999. Please keep us informed of your progress.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 19, 1999.


Hey Cherri -- be sure to include your often overlooked "just bang the hell out of it" computer fix.

-- a (a@a.a), July 19, 1999.

yeah, the "Fonzie fix."

-- number six (Iam_not_a_number@hotmail.com), July 20, 1999.

Gee Ray,

April 6? only that long ago? With the cancer diagnoses, lumpectomy, cat scans, adrenal biopsy, and chemo it seems almost like it has been years since I found out my Mother had cancer- about 4 days after I made that commitment to Cory. Guess I should have stopped everything and written it right away instead of getting emotionally involved with taking care of my Mother. After all who the hell cares about her if YOU want something done? Will it make you happy if she dies soon so I can get back to doing what YOU want.

snear

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 20, 1999.


This post was created solely to incite an argument. Classifying an individual as a Polly or doomer is obviously meant to degrade and personally insult him because of his take on the situation. The main problem with classifications is the great frequency of exceptions; with an issue like Y2K the combinations of both technical knowledge and varying opinions on social reaction are as numerous as any. I'm surely not the first to be reminding you people of this, but discussion can be productive despite disagreement - the key is to avoid directing and / or taking personal offense to the "competition."

Good luck folks!

-- Yogi (cubbyfan@yahoo.com), July 20, 1999.


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