GORE CALLS FOR FIREARM OWNERS TO PACK PHOTO ID By DEBORAH ORIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --

WASHINGTON - Vice President Al Gore said yesterday all new handgun owners should have to get photo licenses, as he outlined his own get-tough-on-guns plan just days after Democratic rival Bill Bradley did so. Gore followed Bradley in calling for a ban on "Saturday night specials" - cheap handguns - but didn't go as far as Bradley, who urged all handgun owners, not just new buyers, be required to register. "I will insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward guns and drugs in our schools," Gore said in Boston. "Parents have a right to know if a child has brought a gun to school, and schools should be legally required to tell them." Asked what Gore means by a "zero tolerance" policy on guns in schools, spokesman Roger Salazar replied, "We will take strong actions against kids who bring guns to school." On ABC's "Good Morning, America," Gore said he's "not opposed" to registering every handgun owner, which Bradley proposed in an op-ed article in The Washington Post last Friday. Bradley's plan called for registering every handgun in America and requiring every owner be licensed and take a safety course. Gore said he thinks photo licensing of new handgun owners "will be just as effective," but added, "If other provisions are needed, then fine." The two Democrats outlined their gun plans at a time when Gore leads in polls, but faces a tough challenge from Bradley, who raised a surprising $11.5 million to Gore's $18.2 million in the first half of 1999. Bradley, an ex-Knick, could pose a special threat to Gore in New York, where a top Democrat - Westchester party chairman David Alpert - yesterday told The Associated Press that Gore seems like a "stuffed shirt." Alpert said he hasn't yet decided whe

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 13, 1999

Answers

Clear eveidence how bad Gore is ---- if hes not defeated ........

Hopefully Y2K will at least doom him.

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), July 13, 1999.

"Bradley's plan called for registering every handgun in America and requiring every owner be licensed and take a safety course."

Great! Just want we need... MORE state-mandated expenses on our backs...

-- M.C. Hicks (mhicks@greenwich.com), July 13, 1999.

Why stop there? Why not just require every handgun owner to sew a little yellow gun on their clothes? That way they'll be easier to round up when full confiscation comes.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), July 13, 1999.

For me, it's pretty simple:

I won't "register" the guns, I won't "register" myself, and the gun grabbers can, jointly and collectively, KISS BY BIG OLE HAIRY BUTT.

Just like the gun "turn ins" in California, any laws like these will be summarily ignored.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..."

-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), July 13, 1999.

This is the sort of thing that doesn't sound so bad at first glance. But then you have to consider the way gun laws have been twisted in the past. Like turning the instant background check for gun purchasers in to registrsation by keeping records of the background check in computers for 18 months. I had no problems with backgound checks before they did that. And everyone who got shouted down as "another paranoid gun nut" for saying it would lead to national registration was vindicated. But that was never recognized or remembered. Now we must look at these proposals not with the common sense interpetation that seems obvious to us. Now we must consider what the meaning of "is" is. Or could be.

Thanks for the heads up Corrine.

Keep your hands on your wallet and your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), July 13, 1999.

Excellent TECH32!!

What's the difference anyway? If you got M. Jordan(Gore) and S. Pippen (Bradley), the're both playin' the same game, with the same objective.

This goes for the Rep. too. My Govenor here in MN. (Jesse Ventura), had a good way to refer to the two parties. He called them the Democrypts and rebloodicans....fitting if you ask me.

It's about time WE as the people wake up and stop believing either of the one..ooop's..I mean two parties. They get elected by telling groups what they want to hear, and then presto-changeo they do a 180.

Time for a third party canidate with a boston tea party attitude...Hey I can wish can't I?

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), July 13, 1999.

Limits on personal freedom will continue, and get worse over time as population increases. Western nations' "native" populations are actually declining in size, but 3rd world immigration causes net population growth. Business likes the cheap labor pool (Hatian and Central Americans immigrating into US, for example), but there is a price to pay.

No matter how you feel about immigration, population increases are directly responsible for added laws such as increased gun restrictions.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 13, 1999.

Re: Bradley on guns: [note - link has expired]

Monday May 24 3:27 PM ET

Bradley To Offer Gun Control Plan

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/elections/story.html?s=v/ap/19 990524/el/bradley_guns_1.html By RON FOURNIER AP Political Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Sen. Bill Bradley, Al Gore's sole rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is considering including a ban on the sale of handguns in an aggressive gun control plan that he will unveil later in his campaign.

A Bradley adviser confirmed that he is considering calling for a ban on the sale - not possession - of handguns as part of a broad plan to reduce the number of weapons on the streets. There also are ways to do that short of banning sales of guns, the official said, such as targeting manufacturers with a heavy tax.

In 1993, Bradley was asked why he proposed taxes on guns and not a ban. ``I would be glad to have no guns to tax, but having fought the NRA before, I am realistic,'' Bradley answered.

On Monday, Bradley was asked the same question; this time, he didn't say it was unrealistic. ``I think things have changed - the (political) climate.''

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), July 13, 1999.

"Those whom tyrants would enslave, they would first disarm."
Registration has ALWAYS been a precursor to confiscation. You don't think so? Then you are ignorant. Period. Read any history?

ANYONE who is in favor of confiscation, even registration, is your MORTAL ENEMY!

That is, if your mother, father, sister, brother, spouse, neighbor, coworker, local police chief, vp of the U.S., ... supports registration or confiscation, they are your MORTAL ENEMY!

Who does your life belong to? Yourself, or your rulers? Whose responsibility is it to protect your ass? Yours, or your rulers? (You can delegate it, but that means you can take it back -- on your sayso, not your ruler's.)

You pussies, wusses, and bleeding hearts -- I hope you have an opportunity to realize how stupid and ignorant you are as you lay dying -- from either an amateur thug or a professional government thug.

-- A (A@AisA.com), July 13, 1999.

Splendid.

Simply splendid.

I speak with A.

B.

-- b (b.b@b.b), July 13, 1999.

A, absolutely well stated. I could not agree more.

-- Jack (jsprat@eld.net), July 13, 1999.

"You pussies, wusses, and bleeding hearts -- I hope you have an opportunity to realize how stupid and ignorant you are as you lay dying -- from either an amateur thug or a professional government thug. "

Tough talk. No action.

-- Change (Change@IsConstant.com), July 13, 1999.

CygnusXI,

I would LOVE to see Jesse Ventura run! I know he promised the folks from MN that he would serve out his full term, but do you think there is enough local support that the citizens of MN would release him from that promise? It's time we had someone who actually RESPECTS the holding of public office instead of approaching it as some asset to stick in their own little portfolio.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), July 13, 1999.

Gun control the name of reducing crime is patently illogical (as if that's the gun grabbers' goal, anyway). The technology to make guns is 100's of years old. Either the black market will explode from offshore manufactures, or the criminal element will simply make their own guns, if necessary. Either, way, they'll have guns, they feds will have guns, and WE won't.

If it comes to that, build your own. That's what Hollywood does. They got sick of procuring permits and now just make whatever guns they need and then cut them up when the filming is finished.

As for Gore and Bradley and their ilk, they are woefully mistaken if they believe their malicous efforts at tyranny will have any real effect. They may register our guns, they may take our guns away, they may even (try to) take all our rights away, but they can never uninvent the gun or the knowledge of how to make them. And they certainly cannot deny a man's right to defend himself, even under the color of law.

Knowledge is Power

-- Nathan (nospam@all.com), July 13, 1999.

Hey Algore if every gunowner has a photo ID, then after he or she shoots somebody, someone can grab him/her and find out who he/she is. What does that accomplish? If you want to do something effective, require every driver who is arrested for driving while intoxicated to get a blowthingy installed in his car so that he must breathe into it with no alcohol on his breath before the car will start. Someone with your Mr. Technology background should be able to see that this would save lives instead of "appearing to be" doing something. Do you realize the impact of Y2k yet?

-- Curly (Curly@3stooges.gom), July 13, 1999.

You guys are missing it. To reqire a photo license for firearms is not a ban. Since a ban would be unconstitutional, those who favor a ban will alternatively require a license. Then they control who gets the weapon.

Of course, there could also be problems which would not allow for any licenses to be issued (computer or otherwise). Then for however long they stop issuing the license they have a de facto ban.

When was the first marriage license granted in the U.S? In the mid-1800's for a plantation owner to marry one of his black slaves. When and where was the first gun license law enacted? In the South so the white authorities could withhold firearms from recently freed slaves. History.... Oh, wow. Draw your own conclusions.

-- Jim the Window Washer (Rational@man.com), July 13, 1999.

Thanks corrine, you little star spangled smoochie hoochie gun packin' mama.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 14, 1999.

TECH32,

IF there are presidential election's in 2000(I'm not bieng paranoid, just considering the possibility), I also hope that jesse would run. If he would or not is a total enigma, I don't think he even knows.

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), July 14, 1999.

A couple of you brought up Jesse & Minnesota. I live there too and while I did not vote for "The Body" I thought it was pretty cool that he won. One of the problems that I would have with him as pres. is the education thing. He is all for the Profile for Learning, or as I call it, the Profile for Socialism, or perhaps the Profile for Dumbing-Down your kids. This piece-of-shit plan (the profile) was concocted by Slick Willy and his slut wife, along with all of their pro-socialism, pro-NWO cronies. Basically they want to control what your kids learn on the Federal level, that way the pricks can carry out their agenda which, I assure you, would include brain-washing our kids that ALL guns are bad and should be banned. And if mommy and daddy have un-registered guns hidden in the house that they DIDN'T turn in (after the big round-up), it's their duty as good citizens to turn in mommy and daddy. That is why i would not be too thrilled to see "The Body" as "The Prez."

Now, If we can get him to change his views on education he would have the support of a WHOLE lot more people.

It doesn't take a fucking village to raise anyones kids, IT TAKES CONCERNED PARENTS WHO ARE THERE FOR THEIR KIDS AND WILL TEACH THEM ABOUT RESPECT AND HONESTY, AND TO BE A PERSON OF INTEGRITY.

-- rick (I'mset@home.house), July 14, 1999.

Uhoh, Rick, you hit a hot button!! 8^)

Miz Hillary didn't think up the title of her book -- She co-opted a perfectly good homily that I like a lot!

It is supposed to mean that, while the parents are doing their utmost to raise good kids, the rest of the community needs to be involved in setting a good example and providing a nourishing environment for those kids.

It was supposed to remind us that we all have an influence on the next generation -- not that we should turn our kids over to the socialists.

But I do understand your frustration!!

-- Gypsy (GypsiGold@aol.com), July 14, 1999.

I love my 2 inch barreled,afordable,weel gun.it's my defence gun of choice.unlike my autos,which are very dependable.my little defence revolver WILL fire 7 times,not MOST LIKELY will fire.At the heart of the scapegoating of guns like affordable short barrelled handguns,is the gun grabbers notion that it is NEVER acceptable for law abiding citizens to use guns for self defence.Hunting and sporting are considered the only legitamate use and no-one uses snubbies to punch perfect holes with wadcutters.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 15, 1999.