Ten Signs Of A Culture's End

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Ten Signs Of A Culture's End By J. Bradley Keena As we enter the end of what has been billed "the Century of America," our society is in the midst of a moral and cultural crisis unlike at any time in its history. There are ten signs that depict the end of a culture. Great civilizations of the past were destroyed when people saw these signs but failed to act. Each of these indicators is with us today. The first sign of the end of a culture is that of a society which no longer worships or acknowledges God. In 1998 it has actually become unpopular to advocate traditional Judeo-Christian values, such as the Ten Commandments. Thanks to Political Correctness, the popular culture ridicules those who worship God as the sovereign creator. Instead, it is popular to put our faith and trust in ourselves or in other creations of God. A second indicator of the end of a culture is the decline of the family. Today, statistics show divorce is at an all time high in the United States. After 25 years, we are now seeing the consequences of no-fault divorce laws. It is now so common for young people to grow up in divorced households that the term "broken family" is now a forgotten expression in the popular culture. Fathers are living apart from their natural children. Mothers no longer stay at home, but work as a head of the household. As a result, women in our society have lost their feminine identity. As worship has declined, the spiritual values communicated by mothers have all but ended with a generation. The moral authority of fathers is undermined by a society that no longer embraces the structure of the family. A third important indicator of cultural demise is a society's low view of life. Today, the popular culture now views abortion as a "right." The failure of our government to outlaw partial birth abortion demonstrates how intolerant of life the culture has become. Steadily, society's undermining of life has grown to include calls for legalizing euthanasia, assisted suicide, and scientific experimentation. But history warns no society can last without a high view of life. Another sign of the end of the civilization is the prevalence of base and immoral entertainment. In its last days, Rome had become a society with an insatiable appetite for debauchery and immorality. Perverted entertainment translated into perverted speech and behavior. The Roman society began to accept and encourage open homosexuality. The people turned away from God and forgot his commandments and precepts, and Rome crumbled. And today, our culture has begun to embrace the same kind of entertainment. In music, a song eulogizing a murdered rap star has held the top spot on the charts for two months. Many of our movies now feature heroes who triumph by copying the vises of the villains. Television has scuttled its family hour for more dramas and sitcoms that treat perversion as normal behavior. Wholesome entertainment is becoming a forgotten relic. Still another troublesome indicator of society's demise is the increase of violent crime among young people. Riddled with gang violence, many of our inner cities have become powder kegs portending future collapse. Today, young people think about death and dying more than any other subject. In fact, surveys indicate they think about death even more than they think about the opposite sex. There's a popular new sport called extreme fighting, in which combatants injure one another like the gladiators of Rome. The demise of the traditional family and absence of religion have combined to create a culture of children who are morally retarded. In the wake of this, our Politically Correct society offers young people no consistent arguments against violence. Another key cultural indicator is the declining middle class. Politicians have discovered one of the keys to reelection is to advocate more spending and government programs for the poor. The traditional middle class is now defined as rich. The work of the federal government has become the business of redistributing wealth through taxation and new government programs. After years of bureaucratic growth over the last fifty years, the United States has witnessed shrinking numbers of middle class wage earners, many of whom have become the working poor. The family structure has disintegrated over the last twenty-five years in part because of the economic pressure for women to join the workforce. This has lead to the increased polarization of the working class and the wealthy. Earlier this century, Russia witnessed just such a polarization before a revolution ushered in the communist era. Yet another sign of cultural demise is that of an insolvent Government. The French Revolution occurred against the backdrop of a bankrupt government. Today, our government has not managed a balanced budget in nearly thirty years. Beneath the annual budget lies a debt of unmanageable proportions. History warns that a government rendered insolvent cannot quell its disenchanted masses. Related to this, a government that lives off of society's moral decay is another sign of the end of a civilization. The Roman civilization crumbled under the weight of an immoral and corrupt government. Over the years, our government has devised the creation of whole agencies that exist for no other reason than to manage some of the most immoral aspects of the culture. The National Endowment for the Arts and the Legal Services Corporation are examples of agencies that foster society's decline. Within the judicial branch of government, judges accountable to no one have helped undermine the religious freedoms that were once the centerpiece of our society. One obvious indicator that a culture is in decline is when the ruling class loses its will. Our nation's leaders no longer see the world according to right and wrong. Instead, the objective of today's foreign policy Establishment is to maintain the status quo. In like manner, our elected leaders have lost their moral authority. Elected officials no longer seek office for the good of the country but instead seek reelection to further lucrative careers within the Washington Establishment. Also, our nation's defense Establishment has traded military readiness for social experimentation with a feminized military. The final indicator of the demise of a civilization is the failure of its people to see what is happening. In nearly every case, citizens of past civilizations which ended witnessed all of the signs of demise but failed to act. Today, the popular culture has helped society forget the lessons of history. All of the signs of the demise of our culture are with us today: the hostility toward religion, the breakup of the family, the declining view of life, the appetite immorality, the violence and crime, and the declining middle class are coupled with a federal government on the brink of insolvency, whose leaders are living off of society's moral decay leading to the loss of leadership and moral will. In the days of Noah, God warned a faithless, immoral and violent civilization of the imminent catastrophe that was about to take place, but few listened. Tonight, our civilization is at the crossroads, but few are noticing the signs that are before us. It is time to take notice, and to pray for spiritual awakening in this country, before the light of our civilization goes out.

-- (@ .), July 11, 1999

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Ten Signs Of A Culture's End

By J. Bradley Keena

7-9-99

As we enter the end of what has been billed "the Century of America," our society is in the midst of a moral and cultural crisis unlike at any time in its history.

There are ten signs that depict the end of a culture. Great civilizations of the past were destroyed when people saw these signs but failed to act. Each of these indicators is with us today.

The first sign of the end of a culture is that of a society which no longer worships or acknowledges God. In 1998 it has actually become unpopular to advocate traditional Judeo-Christian values, such as the Ten Commandments. Thanks to Political Correctness, the popular culture ridicules those who worship God as the sovereign creator. Instead, it is popular to put our faith and trust in ourselves or in other creations of God.

A second indicator of the end of a culture is the decline of the family. Today, statistics show divorce is at an all time high in the United States. After 25 years, we are now seeing the consequences of no-fault divorce laws. It is now so common for young people to grow up in divorced households that the term "broken family" is now a forgotten expression in the popular culture. Fathers are living apart from their natural children. Mothers no longer stay at home, but work as a head of the household. As a result, women in our society have lost their feminine identity. As worship has declined, the spiritual values communicated by mothers have all but ended with a generation. The moral authority of fathers is undermined by a society that no longer embraces the structure of the family.

A third important indicator of cultural demise is a society's low view of life. Today, the popular culture now views abortion as a "right." The failure of our government to outlaw partial birth abortion demonstrates how intolerant of life the culture has become. Steadily, society's undermining of life has grown to include calls for legalizing euthanasia, assisted suicide, and scientific experimentation. But history warns no society can last without a high view of life.

Another sign of the end of the civilization is the prevalence of base and immoral entertainment. In its last days, Rome had become a society with an insatiable appetite for debauchery and immorality. Perverted entertainment translated into perverted speech and behavior. The Roman society began to accept and encourage open homosexuality. The people turned away from God and forgot his commandments and precepts, and Rome crumbled. And today, our culture has begun to embrace the same kind of entertainment. In music, a song eulogizing a murdered rap star has held the top spot on the charts for two months. Many of our movies now feature heroes who triumph by copying the vises of the villains. Television has scuttled its family hour for more dramas and sitcoms that treat perversion as normal behavior. Wholesome entertainment is becoming a forgotten relic.

Still another troublesome indicator of society's demise is the increase of violent crime among young people. Riddled with gang violence, many of our inner cities have become powder kegs portending future collapse. Today, young people think about death and dying more than any other subject. In fact, surveys indicate they think about death even more than they think about the opposite sex. There's a popular new sport called extreme fighting, in which combatants injure one another like the gladiators of Rome. The demise of the traditional family and absence of religion have combined to create a culture of children who are morally retarded. In the wake of this, our Politically Correct society offers young people no consistent arguments against violence.

Another key cultural indicator is the declining middle class. Politicians have discovered one of the keys to reelection is to advocate more spending and government programs for the poor. The traditional middle class is now defined as rich. The work of the federal government has become the business of redistributing wealth through taxation and new government programs. After years of bureaucratic growth over the last fifty years, the United States has witnessed shrinking numbers of middle class wage earners, many of whom have become the working poor. The family structure has disintegrated over the last twenty-five years in part because of the economic pressure for women to join the workforce. This has lead to the increased polarization of the working class and the wealthy. Earlier this century, Russia witnessed just such a polarization before a revolution ushered in the communist era.

Yet another sign of cultural demise is that of an insolvent Government. The French Revolution occurred against the backdrop of a bankrupt government. Today, our government has not managed a balanced budget in nearly thirty years. Beneath the annual budget lies a debt of unmanageable proportions. History warns that a government rendered insolvent cannot quell its disenchanted masses.

Related to this, a government that lives off of society's moral decay is another sign of the end of a civilization. The Roman civilization crumbled under the weight of an immoral and corrupt government. Over the years, our government has devised the creation of whole agencies that exist for no other reason than to manage some of the most immoral aspects of the culture. The National Endowment for the Arts and the Legal Services Corporation are examples of agencies that foster society's decline. Within the judicial branch of government, judges accountable to no one have helped undermine the religious freedoms that were once the centerpiece of our society.

One obvious indicator that a culture is in decline is when the ruling class loses its will. Our nation's leaders no longer see the world according to right and wrong. Instead, the objective of today's foreign policy Establishment is to maintain the status quo. In like manner, our elected leaders have lost their moral authority. Elected officials no longer seek office for the good of the country but instead seek reelection to further lucrative careers within the Washington Establishment. Also, our nation's defense Establishment has traded military readiness for social experimentation with a feminized military.

The final indicator of the demise of a civilization is the failure of its people to see what is happening. In nearly every case, citizens of past civilizations which ended witnessed all of the signs of demise but failed to act. Today, the popular culture has helped society forget the lessons of history.

All of the signs of the demise of our culture are with us today: the hostility toward religion, the breakup of the family, the declining view of life, the appetite immorality, the violence and crime, and the declining middle class are coupled with a federal government on the brink of insolvency, whose leaders are living off of society's moral decay leading to the loss of leadership and moral will.

In the days of Noah, God warned a faithless, immoral and violent civilization of the imminent catastrophe that was about to take place, but few listened. Tonight, our civilization is at the crossroads, but few are noticing the signs that are before us. It is time to take notice, and to pray for spiritual awakening in this country, before the light of our civilization goes out.

-- (@ .), July 11, 1999.


Well faaaaaaar be it from me to suggest that moral majority right wing christian American's ever suffer from an overly narrow view of things, but lots of this is horsehocky. And a little of it is accurate-ish too. FWIW, I too saw "extreme fighting" as an omen of doom. But as far as the fall of civilisation goes, you would be better off worrying about loss of topsoil rather than the National Endowment for the Arts.

-- number six (I_am_not_a_number@hotmail.com), July 12, 1999.

Who would have thought such a thing could happen in this country!? To express a strong belief in God is to be considered 'politically incorrect' ....Scary, maybe we are in our last days! Onward Christian soldiers!

-- citizen (lost@sea.com), July 12, 1999.

The whole problem falls in the laps of Liberalism and their humanist/mulicultural relativism.

Robert Bork, former Supreme Court nominee, documnets this well in his book "Slouching Toward Gommorah", a good read - enlightrning, though provoking, but not too obtuse.

-- Bill P (porterwn@one.net), July 12, 1999.


it,s called>REAPING & SOWING=PLANT BAD SEEDS-GET BAD CROP. SOMETHING,S GOTTA GIVE.-----I GOT A BAD FEELIN' IT,S PAYDAY.

-- yu got it. (dogs@zianet.com), July 12, 1999.


al-d you goofball, what's up?

This article hits the nail on the head.

Lets say we split the country in ~half? All liberals please step east of the Mississippi,..... Thank you. Now, all AMERICANS please step west of the Mississippi,......good.

Now all we gotta do is wait for the liberals to starve to death waiting for thier gubment checks or kill each other off and we can repopulate the eastern states. Damn that was easy!

New popolation of the "Newly United States of America"?.......~100 million, down from 270 million.

-- californiahereicome! (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), July 12, 1999.


Alas, Babylon.

-- Spidey (in@jam.commie), July 12, 1999.

...as if we needed more proof that many Doomers were also right-wing fascist Christian fanatics. And you wonder why the world views you as the Y2Krackpots that you are...

"Do I wish to see the present Federal governmnet completely disemboweled? Yes, absolutely"

Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 05, 1999.



-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), July 12, 1999.


I'm a Libertarian. I don't think anyone has any right to impose ANYTHING on anyone else. I'm for low taxes, no-fault divorce, no government welfare and some degree of abortion rights. Further, I do not have anything against premaritial sex or the use of drugs.

Religion-wise, I'm what you'd call a deist. Jefferson was one of those too, as was Washington. And Ben Franklin, for that matter. I believe that Christianity/Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism are the same thing as viewed from different perspectives and embellished accordingly. There is nothing immoral about pre-maritial sex; it hurts nobody.

What am I trying to say here? Probably that you might have a point. Our society HAS been showing signs of breakdown, and a lot of things that are prevalent now (I'd list `em if I had time) were prevalent in Rome before the fall.. and for that matter, in Iran 1979, Russia 1916, France before the revolution, etc. But they're not the ones you listed. The things you listed are basically a manifesto of the Religious Right, a group I find only slightly less distasteful than the Socialist Left.

-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), July 12, 1999.


Leo, You say there is nothing wrong with pre-marital sex? I disagree. I believe that sex is a spirital bonding with your mate. I believe that when you give yourself to another person...you become one with them, you bond with them. Do you agree with this?

In a marrage situation, sex draws a man and his wife closer each time they make love. In a free love world it only leads to a deep longing, an empty feeling, a void.

I believe when two young people have sex befor marrage, they bond thier spirits/hearts together. When they break up (and they will), there is a tearing of the heart, a scar that never goes away. After each of them has had many more realtionships with other people trying to fill the empliness, the scaring of thier heart causes a callusness and a hardness that only comes from multi-partners.

I watch my once beautiful nieces use up thier body. I love those girls like my own sisters. I warned them of there fate, but they new a better way (they thought). Now the oldest has two children, she is only 19. The middle girl is living with a man more than twice her age. The youngest is still sleeping with anyone and everyone she meets. She too will learn. They were all so young and beautiful, now they look worn-out, use-up, empty.

Am I for pre-marital sex......No.

I have a wonderful sex life......am I married? You betcha!

-- bulldog (sniffin@around.com), July 12, 1999.



uh--excuse me gentlemen- I hate to bring this up, but I thought this was a Y2K forum. Based on Technical realities of a computer problem.

I believe in God as I'm sure the titanic passengers did as well as the shuttle astronauts as well as tornado victims as well as------ Please stick with the subject or you run the risk of giving others the impression that this Y2K thing really is a mythical unsubstantiated end of the world sandwich sign wearing hyped us issue. BIG MISTAKE!!

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), July 12, 1999.


blah blah blah god blah blah blah

-- too funny (renta@brain.org), July 12, 1999.

I discovered my husband watching the "Howard Stern Show" on TV this past Saturday. It was purely by accident and I didn't realise what was going on at first. He had this terrible guilty look on his face. He had tried to hide the fact that he had been watching it. I have to admit I was a little shocked and disturbed by the whole incident. He obviously didn't want me to know that he had been watching it and had tried to hide the fact.

I have to admit that when I realised what was going on I felt a little shocked and disgusted. Also, him trying to hide the fact made it seem so sordid. He had a really funny attitude and was very uncomfortable at having been discovered.

The next day I got told that I shouldn't worry it's just normal male behavior.

I was conducting my usual check-in on this forum this morning when by chance this thread was here. Becasue this happened this past weekend and because it is a new experience to me I thought I might write and see if I could get any responses on what you think is normal and not normal.

I am currently grappling with the fact that my husband feels the need to watch (what I think of as extremely distasteful and mind polluting garbage). Is his behavior normal. Do all married men behave this way?

-- Wifey (w/dilemma@home.com), July 12, 1999.


Divide and RULE!

-- the POWERS (th@t.be), July 12, 1999.

National Endowment for the Arts causing the decline of civilization?I guess if art isn't being used to sell hamburgers it's no good,right.The nea is such a tiny percentage of our budget people wouldn't even know there is an era if der furher Rush limbaugh said to hate it.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 12, 1999.


I swear the politicos are taking advice from Caligula.

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), July 12, 1999.

wifey,

no, not all married men behave this way. which means that you have to roll up your little wifey sleeves and get to work honey. your hubby is beginning to stray. the question is are you going to get a little creative and try and get him refocused? can you say "barbwire bra"? i knew you could.

a "get a grip" smooch to ya wifey.

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 12, 1999.


Lenny Bruce once said,before being driven out of his business by an intolerant minority,that society needs the deviant.That the deviant artist is needed to show society what is wrong with itself but is unwilling to see.Lenny Bruce was driven to suicide because he waspersecuted for using potty words that can now be heard on any pg- 13 movie.We need to think about what freedom means before getting on our high horse to trample the freedom of others.If you want the era cut from the budget,elect the brown-shirts who'll take it out.That's what the german people did.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 12, 1999.

corrine 1,

Thanx for reply. Interesting to know that not all men are the same. No, I don't think I want to join the rank and file of the likes of what may appear on shows like that. Therefore, I shall not be doing whatever it takes to save my marriage. I guess if hubby doesn't want to do whatever it takes to save it then the marriage is not worth saving. I don't think I want to jeopardize my moralistic fibre for anyone even a husband that I obviously didn't fully know.

I can only be thankful that I don't have any children to consider in what I now choose to do from here.

He DGI as far as Y2K goes anyway. I think I shall be visiting my sister sooner than I thought and might be staying longer than originally planned.

I don't need this garbage in my life.

-- Wifey (disturbed@home.com), July 12, 1999.


Wifey,

Just want to second that is NOT typical male behavior. And evidently your husband really doesn't believe that either....by his guilty behavior. It sounds like only later did he come up with his rationalizations.

There are decent men out there. There might be more men with character if women ran like they'd just seen a rattlesnake when their S.O. rationalized inexcusable behavior. It just comes down to what you think you're worth. Don't spread your pearls before swine, married or not.

You deserve better.

-- texan (bullseye@ranch.com), July 12, 1999.


Let's see if I understand this correctly. You're gonna divorce your hubby because he watches Howard Stern? Gadz. Guess we'll have to change the marital vows from "till death do us part" to "til I catch you watching a TV show I disapprove of."

Does this degenerate leave the toilet seat up also? Better just buy a gun & off this vile piece of vermin.

-- some folks (are@pretty.fussy), July 12, 1999.


texan,

Thanx for the support.

some folks,

'Till death do us part' doesn't have anything to do with sexual deviant behavior. I wasn't aware that the marriage vows stipulated that wives (or husbands) had to put up or participate in sexual deviant behavior against their will.

To you it is obviously just another TV show. Mind you with the rate of the degeneration of TV shows that may well be true. However, to me the content of said TV show does not constitute JUST ANOTHER TV show.

I wrote my piece because the thread was about signs of a culutre's end. To me I think this degenerate behavior that is pushed onto people under the pre-text that this natural and normal isn't helping at all.

My gut instinct and every fibre of my being is screaming out that this is not normal. Also, I can only but wonder what else has been conducted by him in secrecy.

I really cannot think that this type of behavior helps to build a trusting healthy relationship. Anyhow it certainly isn't what I signed up for.

It might be a good idea for the marriage vows to stipulate just what is to be expected.

I don't admire Hillary Clinton for putting up with deviant behavior, and I most certainly am not going to follow in her footsteps and put up with a toxic relationship for whatever reasons.

-- Wifey (gettingclearer@home.com), July 12, 1999.


Wifey: sounds like you're trying to call a spade a spade but can't...quite... spit it out.

Trust your instincts. If the problem goes beyond Howard Stern, get help....now......

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), July 12, 1999.


Wifey?! I think that you are the abnormal one. How do you know what is on the Howard Stern show if you haven't ever seen it? How can you be so offended by something that you know nothing about. It's base humor, but it's funny

-- ???? (nutstoyou@strange.bag), July 12, 1999.

????,

I have seen enough of the show to know that it is more than base humor. Funnily enough several months ago at a friends house they were flicking the channels and came across the show. We were all surprised to discover that such TV programming was being aired on regular TV and not just on cable. We were ALL (or so I thought) shocked at what we saw and expressed concern and disbelief that things could have degenerated to such an extent. We did not sit and continue watching it. There was an overwhelming decision by all to turn it off. We continued with a video whilst we awaited a telephone call from another close friend from outside the country. We were awaiting to hear about the outcome of a very difficult birth that another couple we knew were going through at the time.

What really gets to me is the high and mighty attitude my husband took as a few days after this experience he asked another male friend of ours if he had seen the show. No, he hadn't -- and get this -- didn't think he wanted to from what he knew about Howard Stern. Anyhow my husband went on about how bad it was, etc. Of course, I added my two bits worth and felt that we were all in agreement with the fact that this was distasteful and not suitable to watch.

A couple of times since then I have noticed the listing in the TV guide and have thought to myself UGH! horrid man/show. I have never watched it since the original accidental discovery of it and certainly do not wish to.

Part of my dilemma and shock at what happened this past weekend is because of the prior experience as I have just explained. It appears that my husband doesn't find it as offensive as he would have others believe.

I wonder what our friends would have to say if I told them that apparently after all he had to say on the subject he actually secretly watches it. He was the one out of all of us that had the most to say.

-- Wifey (informed@home.com), July 12, 1999.


Wifey: All men are not created equal. All men do not behave that way. You have a serious problem that needs sorting before it gets worse. My wifey suggested a marriage counsellor. You need to be careful who you select though.

One thing you mustn't do is get pregnant until this issue is resolved. You need to be certain that it is a marriage that you can continue with before you bring children into the world.

-- Anon (here@y2ktb.com), July 12, 1999.


Wifey has a problem; it is her. I cannot understand why people want to make sex, or anything connected with sex into something filthy. Leo was right. There's nothing wrong with sex. It isn't dirty. It's normal, your husband is normal.

My husband is a very smart, hard working, kind man. He reads Playboy, and watches The Jerry Springer Show and wrestling. But he also reads History and watches the Financial channel, Discovery and PBS. Does this make him a pervert? Hell no! He's a man, not a lap dog cringing in shame after watching a TV show. He is his own person. I am not his keeper or the Marital Branch of the CIA or the religious right. It is his business to read and watch what he damn well pleases. If I don't like it. Tough. I read what I like, do what I want and I'm my own person. Just because we're married doesn't mean we are clones. You do not own your husband or wife. We respect the marriage vows and each other.

Wifey, if this is the worst thing he ever does, then you are very lucky. I wouldn't trade my husband for one of those men who never look at a Playboy Playmate, or listens to dopey Springer shows for all the right wing, holier-than-thou hypocrite Christians in the U.S.

Paul you got it right. They make all of us look like Y2Krackpots and nut cases. These people scare the hell out of me.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 12, 1999.


wifey- your husband is probably "tantalized" by the 'forbidden fruit" and finds it exciting. he's just a guy. period. talk it out- not worth a divorce.

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.net), July 12, 1999.

Playboy, Jerry Springer, and wrestling are not in the same league as the Howard Stern Show gilda. 'nuff said from us.

-- Anon (here@y2ktb.com), July 12, 1999.

Anon and farmer, Thanx for your replies. I have just been talking with my sister. She suggested a little of both what you had to say.

gilda,

My husband has Playboy and reads the occasional Penthouse. (Who knows maybe more mags that I don't even know about). Playboy and Penthouse present no concerns or issues with me. As for "Jerry Springer", we have had a good laugh at that ridiculous show with his parents when they have been to stay. His mother enjoys wrestling and even though it isn't my cup of tea, she and I have sat and watched it the odd time. My husband never appeared interested in it.

The little bit of the Stern show that I watched couldn't be compared to any of the above.

Up until this point I never thought of myself as being bothered about what my husband read, saw and did. His Playboys have never bothered me. We have been to strip bars in Europe which didn't bother me either. All of that just seemed a lot more healthier to me than what we witnessed on the Howard Stern Show.

I am calling my sister back in 30 mins after she's taken a shower and I shall tell her about your reply gilda. I think she'll get a laugh out of it.

-- Wifey (moreinformed@home.com), July 12, 1999.


gilda,

My sister 'phoned me back. I read her what you put and I was right she did find it amusing. As she said, "That woman doesn't have a clue does she as to what some women are going through." "Her husband reads 'PLAYBOY' and even more hair raising watches 'Jerry Springer' AND wrestling does he." "Sounds like she keeps a keen eye on what he does too doesn't it." "Pretty tame activities compared to some."

My sister councils rape victims and has also had to deal with children who have been molested. She has read quite a few reports in her time and life isn't quite as simple as you seem to think it is. As she said there is a very strong correlation to what men read and watch in how they treat and victimize the women and children in their lives. Sex can get not only very dirty but quite dangerous for some.

-- Wifey (informed@home.com), July 12, 1999.


man oh man...what a thread!!!

-- number six (Iam_not_a_number@hotmail.com), July 13, 1999.

delete, delete. has nothing to do with y2k. censor please this is filthy, potty talk.

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 13, 1999.

Howard Stern, like the rest of us, has 171 days left to enjoy normalcy. After that all bets are off, for him & for all of us.

How are we gonna spend our time?

-- wasting away (again@in.TB2000), July 13, 1999.


I'm going to spend my time re-watching all my lesbo mudwrestling videos! Gonna go into 2000 with a bang!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), July 13, 1999.

WOW... I bet I'll never see a thread like this one again. But I have the SOLUTION: Y2K is going to make all this moot if only half of the worse case comes true.

Beware the cheap advise to dump the jerk. If you got a husband that loves you and would give his life to defend you (ie, he knows how to be a man), then jump in there and defend him... from the TV if necessary. We all need help. And maybe something as small as a new bedtime outfit is all that's needed to turn off the TV. If not, y2k may do it for us.

Sincerely, Another man

-- Phil Morris (pemorris@digitalexp.com), July 13, 1999.


I don't know which threads scare me more, The ones about Martial Law or this one about Marital Law!

-- flora (***@__._), July 13, 1999.

Wifey, I realize that Howard Stern is a much more raunchy fellow than Jerry Spinger. My point is that I'm against censorship; once it starts there is never a stopping place. Also, what if he does watch Howard Stern, there are worse things. In fact, I have confession to make. My husband listens to Rush Limbaugh!. Talk about a lowlife, idiot on TV and radio. Yes, I'm mortified that he actually listens to the drivel of a man that perverts news and quotes out of context, but I don't believe in telling him what he can, and cannot, watch.

Flora, I've always call husbands and wives who are playing the heavy, or the censor, or the controller, the Marital Branch of the CIA.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 13, 1999.


Flora: Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), July 13, 1999.

Top Ten Signs of a Culture's End

10. People heard cracking knuckles at performance of "The Nutcracker".
9. Yogurt in the fridge starts smelling really bad.
8. Telemarketer gives up after first try.
7. "is" officially becomes "yeah, right".
6. Pants are "optional".
5. All poems start with, "There once was an intern from Nantucket..."
4. Lawyers actually lie less than politicians.
3. Paul Shore makes a good movie.
2. NATO bombs Harlem Laundromat - cites "ethnic cleansing" as justification.

And the #1 Sign of a Culture's End:

1. Buttafuoco, Buttafuoco, Buttafuoco...

-- Dave L. (dave@latenight.cbs), July 13, 1999.


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