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Since the new board went up. Seems like just the pollys are posting here now. The new board is very informative and so far very friendly. There is a link to it in the about section at the top of the page. As I was reading the recent post here I realized that most of them was just bashing other posts and being no help at all.

-- Carol (glear@usa.net), July 09, 1999

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so leave sweetcakes.

just a suggestion.

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-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 09, 1999.


This is my last week here! Kinda like moving on to a new car - runs smoother, better vision, no irritating bumps. And the radio isn't scratchy. Better fit, more useful, and everyone smiles :-).

-- A. Hambley (a.hambley@usa.net), July 09, 1999.

The new forum is better. I'll always check this one, if only to read Corrine's comments.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), July 09, 1999.

"So leave sweetcakes." "Just a suggestion."

Oh 'way cool' come back -- I am soooooo..... impressed.

-- Luker (passing@topspeed.com), July 09, 1999.


"So leave sweetcakes." -- corrine!

Hey! Leave me out of this! And I must agree that the other forum is much better than this trollfest.

-- Pearlie Sweetcake (storestuff@home.now), July 09, 1999.



I think there is still a lot on interesting news flashes posted here. Both are worthwhile. I enjoy the current news as much as the preps since I have been working on preps for a long time.

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), July 09, 1999.

This board, started in late 1997, by Ed Yourdon, has a "tradition" of being a bit OT and a mostly self-moderating free-for-all. Hard to change that, because, in the main, that kind of choice needs to be a group one.

The Moderators and Sysops of both Forums expect traffic on TBY2K Forum Classic to decline due to the split with the Prep Forum (and perhaps a slow summer)... unless NEWS hits... then expect a flurry. Or not.

In the fall, at least, the need for awareness, with a capital "A" will likely revive... big time. As will the last minute prep advice needs.

I've been thinking the two Forums are rather like the Yin and the Yang of Y2K.

Yin = Preps
Yang = Awareness

Both provide balance.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), July 09, 1999.


Carol,

Thanks for the tip. Your right about the other board.

Certainly appears to have people posting with a higher degree of intelligence and certainly a notch or two further up the evolutionary scale.

-- Lurker (passing@topspeed.com), July 09, 1999.


Perhaps there's some insight to be found here:
Gresham's Law: "Bad coinage drives out good." Later changed to reflect the new fact of paper money to read "Bad money drives out good." And so it is, bad money DOES drive out good.

The principle, however, is true in far more areas than simple finance. It is true for every realm in which exchange occurs, and nowhere more vitally than in the Kingdom of Ideas, where the coin of the realm is the word.

A debased coinage in the Kingdom of Ideas cannot but have the most terrible of consequences. Even a quick look at the most recent history of our age ought to provide an amply convincing evidence. We have come to live in a world where the King of Hearts is the autocrat - where for all too many issues too many have taken the position that "words mean whatever I say they do" - and seem to have no real relevance to things outside the speaker's own intent. A natural consequence, to be sure, of falling for the Cartesian trap of absolute autonomy - but few consider either the root or the fruit in their simple exercise of their own imagined autonomy.

When words are dissociated from the world and from truth itself to provide a 'neutral' (read "value-free") discussion; when words become the tools, not of clarity and precision but of confusion and obfuscation in order to promote a particular ideology or social program or some very intimate personal or private agenda, genuine communication between opposing parties becomes impossible. The problems remain unsolved, unaddressed, allowed to grow and proliferate without attention, until they reach a stage at which it becomes no longer possible to ignore either the problem or the consequences of ignoring it further.

Unfortunately, by that time the problems will normally have reached proportions which usually call for classification as 'catastrophic.' The proper use of words is absolutely indispensable for the proper functioning of a society.

The ancients understood that well. One Confucian maxim states with an admirable simplicity that "if language is incorrect, then what is said is not meant. If what is said is not meant, then what ought to be done remains undone." It's no less true today than in Lord K'ang Fu Tze's day.



-- Tom Carey (
tomcarey@mindspring.com), July 09, 1999.

Well I think the prep forum is fine, and I say that without bashing this forum. This one still has a "degree of intelligence left" and is still far enough up the "evolutionary scale" to do just fine,Lurker.

Some of us do not require every word uttered in the English language to be covered in syrup and sweetner. Some of us have finished our preps long ago and realize that events that affect our everyday lives are important too. I personally find world events more interesting than rice and beans, but that is a matter of personal choice, and how far along you are in preps.

Go to the new forum and enjoy yourselves, but don't bash this one on your way out.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 09, 1999.



Gilda,

Individual posters (which appear to be growing in numbers) certainly do show their sorry level of intelligence and invariably demonstrate their low-life-form status on the evolutionary scale on this forum. NOT the forum as a whole, but it certainly has more than it's fair share of sorry life-forms posting.

I have been checking in on this forum for the past few months on and off. The INTENTION of the forum is why I choose to check it out. It is a great shame to witness some of the pathetic verbal garbage displayed in a effort to be cool or whatever. These pathetic postings only demonstrate to me the sorry state of our cultural and social behavior as a society. So much for our esteemed educational facilities. We seem to be producing more than our fair share of ignoramuses.

It's a pity these life-forms can't create their own forum to entertain and try and out-wit each other with.

I replied to Carol's thread because I think she made a valid point. A lot of what is being posted is definitely not along the lines of the intention of this forum.

She has every right to point that out -- more so than the ignoramuses do to post their irrelevant garbage.

-- Lurker (revisitng@forum.com), July 09, 1999.


OK, so there's a lot of garbage posted on this forum. Simply don't read it. But I've noticed that when anyone starts bashing garbage posters, it simply encourages them to new heights. And your post, IMHO, seemed to imply that the intelligentsia had moved to the new forum, leaving the evolutionay rejects on the old forum; sure sounded like bashing to me.

Being different does not make one wrong. I liked Diane's explanation of Yin and Yang. "Both provide balance." Also, there are some of us who like diversity. I think life would be pretty dull without some of the bizarre, controversial, weird characters on here, or as you call them "low-life, ignoramus, life-forms."

When I came to this forum, I had finished most of my preps, which I felt were necessary, but I was bored to death dealing with the whole bucket and bean brigade, and ready to move on. I heard this was one of the best sources for news, without having to check a dozen news sources daily. That's why I'm here.

I think the new forum is great. I checked it out, found nothing that interested me at the moment, but I did not feel I had to say that.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 10, 1999.


This forum has evolved, and will continue to - just as the new one will also, just as we as individuals do, just as we as a society do. Some things are for the better and some not. Life is not static. I for one am glad to have both forums, and intend to continue contributing to both.

Diane had a good point about them complimenting each other, and as she so often says, Shift Happens. Get used to it. The only constant in life is change.

-- Rob Michaels (sonofdust@net.com), July 10, 1999.


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