Didn't Mr. Yourdon (and a lot of other doomers) claim steadfastly throughout their mythological suppositions that, if they were wrong, they would step up and admit it? What about 990701? Where's Ed?

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 04, 1999

Answers

oh do fuck off troll

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

and in England it's 010799 moron - that's the whole problem, what is it in Australia 667001 I expect...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Hey Andy Leonard, ain't you from Northern Virginia, isn't that double- Drecker country...? hope you're using annonymyzer pal... funny how you can match ISP's these days...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Is this the same Andy Ray that had that horrible accident and shot off half his brain? The same Andy Ray that now is a babbler and deeply obsessed with homophobic thinking? The liar, the con-man, the giggler? The idiot savant who can conjure up immense strings of wording and thought that goes nowhere and signifies nothing? Is it you?

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 04, 1999.

To the original Andy, and in England it's 010799 moron - that's the whole problem.....

I thought Ed lived in Taos, New Mexico, United States of America. what does 010799 have to do with anything? (By the way its 040799, but thats another story for another day.)

-- Joe Six-Pack (Average@Joe.Blow), July 04, 1999.

1st July 99 as opposed to July 1st 99 or or or, different countries, different strokes, there is no international date standard (i.e. an ISO standard) even now - some folks are windowing, some aren't - it's still a total shambles...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Andy,

You seem to sit on a "high horse" somewhere and look down at the world. What makes you think that people on the net want to hear your continuous freak show, anymore then they would in person? Your babble would not last five minutes in a crowded room and nobody seems to think much of it here.

People like yourself, walk around with all of your "ever-clear" information and think that you are two steps ahead of everyone else all the time. I have a clue for you, "smart-guys" like yourself are the easy ones (I know, "I do the buying and selling"). If you ever figure out that you are just one of the rest of the humans, maybe you can use some of that "critical thinking" of yours for something worthwhile.

-- BiGG (supersite@acronet.net), July 04, 1999.

I mean Andy Ray of course!!! Sorry I should have made that clear!

-- BiGG (supersite@acronet.net), July 04, 1999.

ouch! oooooouch!! You guys can be mean. "Bad boys, bad, bad boys!"

AndyCAPP, what horrendous crime will we be pleading guilty to anyway? Depriving the sheeple of tuna and ho-ho's? Or is this the first hint of a political agenda? Most so-called doomers are rightwing to some degree or another. My guess is you're somewhere left of Hawaii. (Bejing?)

-- not ticked yet, but it's early (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), July 04, 1999.

Andy Ray,

Just what exactly did Ed Yourdon say about July 1st? Please provide a specific quote made by Ed about 990701 that makes you think he's wrong and needs to admit it.

There were two minor July 1st glitches reported in an article by a Boston newspaper. The link to that article, as well as other info about fiscal years, accounting software and the Jo Anne Effect, can be found at the following thread:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00122f

"Significance of States Fiscal Start"

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 04, 1999.

Geeeeese Mike, would you please get a cup of coffee or something? I'm about to begin my 'barefoot and pregnant' routine in the kitchen, before my 4th of July guests start rolling down my very, very long driveway for a little bonfire fun.....I could use some forum help after I go!!! (just hop around and keep sending them to ****"the president has killed thousands in his criminal attempt to save his own SORRY, overly chunky, flat ass"**** thread I started, OK?)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 04, 1999.

Sorry Will, I don't drink coffee. You got any vodka? Oh and a thimble full of orange juice.

Will, this year make sure the kids arent stuffin' firecrackers up the toads rump or strappin' bumble bees to bottle rockets will ya?

(Baaaaad boys!)

-- Taz baby, where are you? (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), July 04, 1999.

Will continue writes:

"keep sending them to ****"the president has killed thousands in his criminal attempt to save his own SORRY, overly chunky, flat ass"**** thread I started, OK?)"

Sorry snuggle bunny, but just what thread are you referring to?

"Damnit DIetEr get your butt back in the yard. And where the hell is Flint?"

-- ithinkilovealadynamedwill..gofigure? (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), July 04, 1999.

Andy Ray, you said on the Debunking forum last night, 03-Jul-1999 at 22:40:25:

"I will cease my activity there [TB2000] as it is doing no good. I would rather share my experience in Y2K testing and studies into what I call 'cybernoia' with people of intelligence and similar experience."

Quite a little liar, aren't you? Here's the entire post.

12.79.197.252 writes:

Hello all,

Believe it or not, I have until recently believed I was alone in my quest to debate the doomers. I attempted the logical approach, and (to your knowing nods and sympathising groans) was met with what I will politely refer to as "resistance." I have been labeled a "troll" in (the now headless) Yourdon's/Greenspun's "forum" ("rant" would be a better word).

Logic does not apply. Critical thinking does not apply. Real, live, cold, hard facts don't matter - unless, of course, they validate the hypotheses on the table...extraordinary examples of bad science. I was beginning to lose my temper some. Then, Mr. Poole emailed me a bunch of links! Thank you Mr. Poole! There are sensible individuals out there who see through the farce! Yes and Amen! I will cease my activity there as it is doing no good. I would rather share my experience in Y2K testing and studies into what I call 'cybernoia' with people of intelligence and similar experience.

Thank you all, Andy Ray

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 04, 1999.

Poole just can't stand to share...he's rather inmature.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 04, 1999.

Finger error: bawooooga, bawooooooga. "immature". sorry. Please, I beg of you.....no pop-bottle rockets up my nose! (so glad my brother and male cousins won't be here this year!)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 04, 1999.

WHERE IS ED?

Ok---let me see if I can figure this guy out.

Have you ever known someone that was so insecure that they needed special attention from anyone who would listen.

Well-- to me writing, "where's Ed", on Ed yourdons Web page y2k forum. Is like writing--Paul milne is a polly. I'm terribly sorry Mr. Ray that your life has no other recognition in it other than your ability to elicit obvious solicitation from Friends of Ed

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), July 04, 1999.

where's andy ray these days?

-- where's andy ray (just@wonderin.where), January 13, 2000.