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Anita Spooner writes:

North SHOULD stick to history, but Mills should ALSO stick to electricity. Friday, 18-Jun-1999 11:36:04

I agree, CPR, that Mills took North to the cleaners on this one, but it doesn't take much to take North down. On the other hand, I don't have the respect for Mills that you seem to have. I lost it all in January when he ALSO went outside his area of expertise: An Early Victim of Y2k

Anita

Doc Paulie writes:

What in the hell are you talking about? Friday, 18-Jun-1999 13:09:47

He shared a PERSONAL experience. Is he NOT an expert on the process of receiving his paycheck? He can extrapolate anything he wants about why his paycheck has problemos and it is up to you to decide the level of innaccuracy(or lack of) in his conclusions beyond, vis a vi direct 2 digit date origination. The actual POINT of the entire article BTW.

Maybe I am missing something but HEY, Y2k exists! All these problems---IS y2k, get it? It is NOW. Has been for freaking YEARS. Anything more than another computer problem? Hardly, and the good news is that the doomers are reaching to the extreme.

While I respect the advice to check your guru, I think this has gone way beyond simple caution. Nobody lives their life in a vacuum. And nobody is the expert in all areas of life. North is NOT even a HISTORY expert as one look at his HISTORY shows somebody incapable of learning from as much. North is a mentally ill extremist by day, and garden-variety marketeer by night(the real Gary).

The issue is INTENT, end of story. NOBODY is perfect, NOBODY can provide the entire picture. And it pretty clear YOU are the ONLY person WHO is in any position to live your life, called personal responsibility. What is Mill's INTENT? North's?

Doc Paulie

Anita Spooner writes:

I'm TALKING ABOUT "the rumor around the office is..." Friday, 18-Jun-1999 13:54:27

I'm TALKING ABOUT Dick Mills using his soap-box on the Westergaard site to propagate an internal rumor that his payroll and other problems were attributed to Y2k. They MAY have been. They may NOT have been. Yes...that WAS his point all along, but why did he present it in his powerful prognostications? I find it curious that he hasn't mentioned this since. I also find it curious that every time our electricity goes out the neighbors suggest Y2k testing. I find it curious that my next-door neighbor has experienced the same problems with his paychecks, yet he is NOT considered an expert on Y2k, and has no soapbox on which to declare that these problems may be Y2k-related.

You're preaching to the choir telling me about Gary North and how Y2k problems have been happening for YEARS. I KNOW these things. This whole episode with the California sewage testing confirms in my mind that problems will occur in testing...not ALL AT ONCE, as some purport. I see it as GOOD news. Had Mills thought to wait until the problems with his payroll system were ironed out, (Y2k-related or NOT), there would have been NO NEED for his powerful prognostications even mentioning it at all. He did a knee-jerk on that one, IMHO. He spoke before he had all the facts. I'll admit that Gary has NEVER needed facts for his knees to jerk, but *I*, personally don't honor opinions from folks who can't get the facts clear before opening their mouths.

IMHO, extrapolations on Y2k ARE the problem. I see it daily on the various fora available. Cory Hamasaki presents a Y2k project in the dumper and then extrapolates on this to include the whole world. My experiences with Y2k remediation projects are quite the contrary, but I wouldn't extrapolate on those to include other firms or other countries.

You're giving Mills room for emotion, Doc. He saw a problem that "hit home" for him. IMHO, there's NO room for emotion regarding Y2k. You either present FACTS, or you present conjecture. Mills presented conjecture on this one.

Anita



-- (@ .), June 19, 1999

Answers

Who ARE these stupid trolls, and why can't they stay on their OWN stupid "Gary North is a big fat idiot" (BIFI) forum? These people are obsessed with Gary North. Its unbelievable! In fact, as much as they like to mock North's religious beliefs (not that that they aren't kind of funny), it is the BIFIs that act like they are on some kind of "Mission from God"!

In looking at North's picture (which I have only seen on THEIR forum -- further proof of THEIR unhealthy obsession), he appears neither big nor fat. To read what the man has written, and conclude that he is an idiot, is absolutely asinine. He surely is not an idiot.

He may be a conniving huckster, making a lot of money off of Y2K. I don't know if he is or not. The BIFI crowd doesn't know either. But somehow, in logic that sure escapes me, they somehow equate North with the Y2K problem, and think that if they can show that North is somehow less than a saint, then all the bad computer code will magically heal itself. (I guess. I really can't figure this.)

Personally, I don't care if North is making a bundle off of Y2K. I get a lot of my info from the evidence that he presents (you know, that stuff that his LINKS point to, completely independent of his commentary). As well as a lot of other sources.

If the BIFIs really want to do good for the Y2K pollyanna cause, why don't they create a web site that, point for point, examines every piece of evidence that North presents and then give THEIR commentary on it. And also goody-goody news that maybe North never presents. I mean, go for it, what is stopping them? (I.e., a SERIOUS sort of www.garysouth.com.)

But they won't. They will just keep coming over here and continue to make asses of themselves. Yes, Decker, Mutha, Y2K Pro, Deano, et al, I am talking to you.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 19, 1999.

This is CHOICE. LOL.

Is there a forum on which I CAN post where you wouldn't find me and present my findings on THIS forum under some ridiculous title? LOL.

Anita

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), June 19, 1999.


King of Spain:

The opinion presented by the anonymous poster was NOT presented to either THIS forum or the BFI forum. I have only posted one response to Y2kdave on the BFI forum. The opinion presented by the anonymous poster was presented on the Debunking Y2k forum. It's a forum that's much faster to load than the BFI forum (at least with MY software.)

I, personally, don't have a problem with anything that Gary North believes religion-wise. Religion is a totally personal thing. I don't even think that anyone visiting his web site has anything to lose if they can bypass the commentaries, as you said you could. Understand, however, that you won't find ANY positive news reported on that forum.

The problem I have with North is the same problem I have with Milne. They have BOTH been predicting the financial downfall of the U.S. for a while now. For North, it's been 20 years or more. For Milne, it's been at least 2 years, although others have stated more like 7 years. The reasons for this financial downfall weren't related to Y2k until recently. If you'd like to see some of Milne's previous predictions, my E-mail address works. I'll be happy to provide them.

Regarding North:

Gary North sells a subscription to his Remnant Review:

North is something of a specialist in meltdown scenarios. For example, Sadam Husain was going to blow up a freighter in New York harbor loaded with chemical gas or anthax, and this would kill everyone in Manhattan, and no one could get near because all the office buildings would be full of rotting bodies, and this would bring down the world banking system because so much money flows through New York.

Then there was going to be a big earthquake in Tokyo. The Japanese would sell all their Treasury Bonds to pay for rebuilding Tokyo, and this would bring down the world financial system.

Now it is Y2K that is going to create a bank run and bring down the world financial system. North is almost always clever enough to hedge his predictions so he does not say that will happen, just that given certain events they could happen.

Get a copy of his book _Unholy Spirits_ in which he points out that microprocessors are designed on CAD systems and draws the conclusion that demonic spirits could take control of the CAD process to change the chip design to give themselves a portal to take control of the systems that these microprocessors are used in. (I think the more detailed elucidation of this is in footnotes.)

This demonic takeover of computers was also in some of his old newsletters.You can imagine Gary's joy when he heard about Y2K and no longer had to resort to the hard to sell demon theory as a basis for his computer induced meltdown theories. _Unholy Spirits_ is also a good collection of Art Bell type stuff for those who like to collect revisionism, anomolies and conspiracy theories.You can get it free in PDF from www.freebooks.com.

Gee, what might Mr. North have to say about FPGAs with their inherent mysteries? Check out details from In-circuit's site at http://www.icd.com.au/ lots of downloadable PDFs regarding this technology there. Looks live the devil made them do it. ;-)

Here's some clues as to how to tell the true prophets from the false. People sure of themselves don't rant and rave. They don't accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being 'ignorant' or 'afraid of the truth'. And they don't use 'scare words' or otherwise distort facts.

Good luck on your mud-wrestling hopes.

Anita

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), June 19, 1999.


So...if the forum puts out a contract on Gary North and does him in, is this going to take care of y2k? You really epitimize the saying of "can't see the forest for the trees". It matters not what any of us think or say....y2k is going to happen and what the fall out will be,....will be!! And nothing you, or any of the rest of us, say is going to stop it. If you don't care to be part of the intentions of this forum, that is your choice, but quit taking up our space and time. If you are a Christian, would you also throw rocks at the Muslims? Are you so insecure? You seem to be very articulate but I think you have chosen the wrong crusade. You need a life.

Maybe helping out at the food bank or soup kitchen??

Taz

-- Taz (Tassie @aol.com), June 19, 1999.


Anita,

You said,

"The reasons for this financial downfall weren't related to Y2k until recently. If you'd like to see some of Milne's previous predictions, my E-mail address works. I'll be happy to provide them."

I have been predicting the downfall of this System for many years also. It was not until I discovered Y2K that I began to understand that the computers (controllers of the masses) going down may be the situation to do the damage to the System.

Who needs or wants a slave Sytem.

I am changing my Liability Insurance and the new broker wanted some info on my former carrier. I had the NUMBER of the old policy but I did not have the name of the company. The lady on the computer entered the number and came up with all my data. Convenient. But with info that accessable to anyone your privacy goes out the window. Just one aspect of the evils of this System.

The Christian is promised FREEDOM and we, and the entire world, will have it.

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), June 19, 1999.



So what if Gary North has been predicting the end of the civilized world for decades??? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Y2K isn't about Gary North, Paul Milne, etc.... It's about a REAL problem that isn't getting fixed quickly enough.

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), June 19, 1999.


Exactly, Nabi.

North, Yordon, Yardeni, Milne, et. al. bashing is just a waste of energy, IMHO.

There are more important global Y2K and related considerations to pay attention to... and prepare for.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 19, 1999.


"Who ARE these stupid trolls, and why can't they stay on their OWN stupid "Gary North is a big fat idiot" (BIFI) forum? These people are obsessed with Gary North"

Ironic that the King of Spain should use these words. Without even looking at who posted this, he just sees "the names" that set him off. Not the least bit interested in objectivity, are you Spain?

Who actually has the obsession here I wonder?

-- IRONy MAN (marvel@comic.book), June 19, 1999.


Fascinating!

statements like this are very telling as well

"North, Yordon, Yardeni, Milne, et. al. bashing is just a waste of energy, IMHO."

I wonder why "Anita" bashing isn't a waste of energy?

Obsessions indeed. Very, very telling.

-- Psych Major (psychob@b.ler), June 19, 1999.


because psychminor she is one of the avowed hecklers from deboonkah trying to ruin this forum for those trying to understand y2k and prepare for it

study the memealot ones

Debunking Y2k webboard



-- minor (psych@not.major), June 19, 1999.



So, great, we all agree: Gary North is a kook. But that changes nothing in terms of the evidence that he presents.

Don't take this lightly, think about it. Because he is an end-of-the-world type kook, he is always, relentlessly, searching for what he thinks will do the job. Among all of his other "candidates", he latched onto Y2K. Problem: Based on the EVIDENCE, he may very well be RIGHT!!!

And it is completely understandable, when you think about it, that the "early warning" types should, in fact, be the people who are always out there LOOKING for an end-of-the-world scenario. I mean, normal people are not. Normal people tend to initially disbelieve "kookiness" like Y2K. Until, that is, they are presented with HARD EVIDENCE.

Gary North's www.garynorth.com web site is full of hard evidence.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 19, 1999.

Gary North is very eccentric, very intelligent and has guts. I have a long list of areas where I disagree with him, sometimes vehemently, and a long list where I agree. His Y2K web site will be shown to have saved lives next year. I know many real people who first "got it" through his work on the subject.

Consider why it is that the pollys have taken dead aim at Gary North, even dedicating a web site to him. Says something, doesn't it? They accuse North of propagandizing while never turning the spotlight on themselves.

I'm tired of people bashing him. He deserves a medal from his country for his courageous work on this subject. Thanks, Gary.

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), June 19, 1999.


Gary North forgot more about history than the trolls on this forum will ever know. Waste someone else's time and life like you have wasted your own. Pathetic nonsense. Parroting stupidity you,ve picked up from PR "experts" and "feel good" politicians.

Bob P

-- Bob P (rpic99206@aol.com), June 19, 1999.


I like Gary North's web site, which is why I made it my start page. That must make me a kook.

He could be right about the next big earthquake to hit Tokyo. In 1991 Peter Hadfield wrote a book entitled "SIXTY SECONDS THAT WILL CHANGE THE WORLD - The Coming Tokyo Earthquake". Tokyo cannot afford to suffer a heinous monster quake, but the three plates in the bay will eventually cause more earthquakes. It's unavoidable because humans can't stop the shifting of the continental plates. The longer it's delayed, the more damage will occur due to Tokyo's constant growth.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), June 20, 1999.


Big Dog said: "He [North] deserves a medal from his country for his courageous work on this subject."

Poole has opined that CPR of Debunker fame also deserves a medal.

Hmmmm...... maybe they could save some taxpayer dollars and have both presentations in the Rose Garden on the same day.

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-- Johnny Canuck (nospam@eh.com), June 20, 1999.



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