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Hehehe..look who sent this to a list I'm on. (I guess they'll remove me after this.)~~~ Hal

Subj: [year-two-thousand] People do not panic Date: 99-06-18 02:08:01 EDT From: sams@brigadoon.com (Cherri Stewart) Reply-to: year-two-thousand@egroups.com To: year-two-thousand@egroups.com

>From "Coalition 2000"

Here's some data we've all been looking for. Thanks to Larry Shook, Tom Atlee and Michael Dowd for passing it on. -- Jan

>From kali@sfo.com (Kali Grosberg) You may be interested in information I received at a Red Cross Disaster Mental Health training workshop since it refutes the reason most often given by corporate and government officials for holding back information about Y2k -- they don't want people to panic.

This is from their training manual for Disaster Action Team (DAT) members.

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(from DISASTER MYTHS by Stan Bush)

"One of the most surprising discoveries made in studying citizen responses is that people do not panic. Other myths are mentioned below, but this is paramount. Many officials presume they will, but study of over 300 cases just does not bear this out. There is panic under certain conditions: 1) when individuals are under immediate and severe danger; 2) when there are limited or closed escape routes; 3)when there is a lack of communication about what is happening. But all three conditions must be present. More typically people seek to take actions to protect themselves, friends and relatives based on the information and experience they have.

"What at times looks like panic to use (sic) is actually these protective actions which are a very small percentage of the thousands of cases studied so apparently our conception of how people will respond is incorrect. Rather, the opposite tends to happen if there is an extended time of warning...

"Remember, there are always individual exceptions. What is being presented here deals with the behavior of the majority of citizens--but it appears to be the vast majority."

a couple of other myths...

"CRIME. Crime falls drastically during and immediately after a disaster. It dropped 26.6 percent in New Orleans immediately following Hurricane Betsy.

"LOOTING. This is one of the most interesting myths identified. Records show it to be very low. In one disaster, only three percent of the citizens reported cases of possible looting. It is widespread in civil disorders, but there is just no evidence to show that it is a major problem in a disaster. The major problem appears to be the FEAR (their caps) of looting by officials and citizens. However, police must secure the area to safeguard against the possibility and to reassure the citizens."

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Note: Given the above, we might consider the possibility that if safety officials realize that fear of looting, rather than actual looting, is the biggest problem, they might be able to reduce violent confrontations by integrating this information into their disaster training.

Another interesting myth that was relayed to us verbally but was not in the handout is the myth about the primacy of strong leadership. The reality seems to be that coordination and cooperation is more important. Sounds like research proves respecting and trusting others' abilities wins out over top-down command. Again, I assume the study refers to disaster situations. Tom Atlee * The Co-Intelligence Institute * Oakland, CA

-- Hallyx (Hallyx@aol.com), June 18, 1999

Answers

Well HallyDoomer,

Which side of you mouth are you talking out of today?

West, east, north, or south? or some other quadrant

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.


As I read this, unprepared, trapped individuals in a dangerous situation are likely to panic. OK...then why is the government suggesting that individuals don't prepare, and stay in places that will likely be dangerous? Do the want panic?

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), June 18, 1999.

Guess they'll just run around like a *Chicken* with their head cut off!

HEE HEE,.. hey it,s getting light out.

-- Will (sibola@hotmail.com), June 18, 1999.


Hallyx,

I must have missed your essay documenting the anthropological evidence that dark ages life was not "nasty, brutish and short." If you need more time, just let me know when to expect it.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 18, 1999.


Says Decker,

"I must have missed your essay documenting the anthropological evidence that dark ages life was not 'nasty, brutish and short.'"

I have no idea what you're talking about, Kennychild. In any case, I never claimed that about the "dark ages" and neither did Thomas Hobbes. He was referring to a precivilsed society in a "state of nature." As a mere philospher, he may have based his rhetoric on the incomplete and misinterpreted (by modern standards) evidence available to 17th century science.

I'm not usually given to disabusing preening pedants of their consumate ignorance---at least not without recompense.

In your case I may make an exception---but only if you ask nicely.

Hallyx

"The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind."---H.L. Mencken

-- Hallyx (Hallyx@aol.com), June 18, 1999.



Hallyx,

As always, the mincing intellectual dilettante. On an earlier thread, I suggested a devolution to an earlier era would result in life becoming, "nasty, brutish and short." You responded that anthropological evidence had proven life was actually pleasantly bucolic in our earlier times. I asked for your references, and you sashayed off without leaving a response.

I made the original reference knowing full well the context of Hobbe's comments. To wit,

"In such condition, there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of people, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

Sounds rather like Paul Milne, don't you think?

I'm not asking for your comments, just the citation of your sources. You might want to make them available to the membership at large... they might stop preparing knowing that we are heading for a gentler world. Oh, and about compensation... please, thus far your words have been worth every penny spent.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 18, 1999.


Oh, quit tryin' to suck up, Deck.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 18, 1999.

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