The russians have taken KOSAVA (politically correct pronunciation)\ The Pak and the Indian are at each others thoats... The Iranians have SCUDED the IRAQ;s ...North korea is in the face of the S.Korean....

It is your turn China... Time to play.....

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/wl/story.html?s=v/nm/19990612/wl/korea_north_19.html

N.Korea Pulls Back Ships But Threatens To Strike

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea threatened Saturday to carry out strikes in self-defense if South Korean forces did not halt ''reckless provocations'' in a standoff along their maritime boundary in the Yellow Sea.

``The South Korean authorities must know that if they continue reckless provocations despite our repeated warnings, they will meet with our strong self-defensive strikes. There is a limit to patience,'' said a North Korean statement out of the Korean War truce village of Panmunjom.

Officials at South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said North Korean boats had retreated by midnight and were now some six km north of the boundary dividing the bitter rivals' waters.

The two countries have engaged in a tense cat-and-mouse game off the western coast of the Korean Peninsula for the past week.

South Korea says Northern naval vessels have crossed into southern waters daily, apparently to protect a fleet of crab-catching vessels, before returning to the North in the evening.

The standoff, which has been largely peaceful with neither side opening fire, escalated Friday when South Korean ships repeatedly rammed North Korean vessels, driving them back across the sea boundary.

North Korea, which has largely avoided incendiary rhetoric so far, blasted South Korea in the statement issued by the spokesman for the Korean People's Army mission in Panmunjom and carried by the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency.

``It is an unshakable will of the Korean revolutionary armed forces never to pardon those who violate even 0.001 mm of the sky, the land and the sea of the fatherland, in defense of their sovereignty,'' it said.

The statement said South Korea must be held wholly responsible for all consequences of the naval ``provocations'' which it said has rendered the situation in Korea extremely dangerous.

The two Koreas remain technically at war across the world's most militarized frontier because their 1950-53 conflict ended in an armed truce and not a peace agreement.

South Korea did not respond immediately to the North Korean threat and an official at the Joint Chiefs of Staff said he thought the statement was mere rhetoric.

``There's no official comment but I don't see any need for comment on such a statement,'' the lieutenant-colonel, who declined to be named, told Reuters.

The U.N. Command, which overseas the uneasy truce, has requested general officer-level talks with the North Korean army to discuss the Yellow Sea incident.

``The U.N. Command views the North's intrusions into the waters south of the Northern Limit Line (NLL) as a provocative act, clearly, which has increased tensions in the area,'' said U.S. Army Col. Carl Kropf, U.N. Command spokesman.

``Accordingly, the North should cease sending naval vessels south of the NLL.''

Analysts say North Korea appears desperate to protect the fishing fleet as it is now peak season for catching crabs, which are exported by the North, providing one of the impoverished state's few sources of hard cash.

North Korea is suffering from a crushing food shortage caused by decades of Stalinist economic mismanagement compounded by natural disasters in recent years.

-- This is (not@drill.com), June 12, 1999

Answers

I almost expected this a few weeks back, when we were more involved in the air raids on Kosova...but since we are sending troops in, it makes sense to create problems now. "When the cat's away, the mice will play." The more that rogue nations feel we can't do anything, the bolder they will be.

As the US armed forces (especially the Navy) continue to draw down, expect to see more problems.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), June 12, 1999.

Oops. Later news has N. Korea back into S. Korea waters. The saga continues. Maybe we'll find the answers to a these pressing questions:

(1) Does N. Korea have the bomb?

(2) Does N. Korea have a missile delivery system? Or will they just use FEDEX?

(3) Will only S. Korea be targeted? Or will the target list include the US? Mainland, Alaska, or Hawaii?

(4) How accurate is the N. Korea guidance/targeting system?

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), June 12, 1999.

Refugees celebrate NATO push into Kosovo

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/Reuters19990611_2396.html

-- (trend@watcher.now), June 12, 1999.

MadMonk,

I don't think we have to worry about NK attacking U.S. territory at the present time. That is unless they're in bed with China more than is generaly known. I do, however, believe NK is looking for a way too attack SK while keeping the worlds moderates of their back. This technique has been used by a multutude of totalitaritan gov's During the twentieth century. It's a classic technique of the liberals in the U.S. as well. Personally I'm concerned that we will be drawn into this brewing conflict at the most inoportune time, our military seems to be fairly well prepared for rapid deployment confrontations with feather weights but, not the likes of China+North Korea. Don't forget about Russain propaganda.

Things are grimm, Buy some tuna. Surf's up!

Mike

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 12, 1999.

ever heard of prophecy?/ Yeshua-2=division-Kingdoms =y2k. ever read GEORGE WASHINGTONS visions? he saw www 3.in vision.

-- al-d. (catt@zianet.com), June 12, 1999.

I don't need a vision of WWIII, I can see it plain as the nose on my face. I check the community bulletin board (by our community mailboxes) and see a message someone posted about how annoyed they are someone actually has the nerve to let a dog roam around by the pool. Aside from possible health code regulations (sheesh! it's not like the dog goes in the water) I don't see how it can disturb anyone. People can be so petty and self centered. Is it any question that eventually the world will take sides and fight it out to the bitter end? No, more like a question of when. I think it was Einstein who theorized that WWIV will be fought with clubs and stones. IMHO, such a shameful way to run a planet...

-- (oldyeller@sanfran.com), June 12, 1999.

Old Yeller,

Don't think we have to worry about a "world" war being fought with stones. Logistally impossible. But in the unlikley event of a 10 their will be a lot of rocks (and lead) flying.

Hopin' not Musterd for that tuna? Where's our Dog? Stan? Will c.? D.J. Squire? Still hopin' for a 1.

Mike

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 12, 1999.

closing the <div> tag whose mate was lost in the HTML mangle

-- - (-@-.-), June 12, 1999.

I think the theory behind the stones and clubs is that after WWIII there wouldn't be anything left to fight with, since it would all be destroyed. It's just a clever way of saying if we don't stop this arguing we'll all be screwed. Or maybe better yet, "can't we all just get along?" I doubt Einstein meant that we should start stockpiling rocks for WWIV.

-- (oldyeller@sanfran.com), June 12, 1999.

keep your eyes on israel, russia will be coming for there, stuff.and don,t forget,most of the muslim countries,think we,re the great satan.

-- al-d. (catt@zianet.com), June 12, 1999.

This is,

When you say "upon us" are you referring to the United States? Now that the New World Army is firmly established, there will never again be anything that could realistically be considered a "World War". The less developed countries will be allowed to destroy each other if they wish, as is the case with Africa, and NATO will only get involved if there are valuable assets at stake,(human lives excluded, of course) as is the case with Kosovo.

There is no country or combination of countries remaining that can present any serious threat to the United States or the NATO union. Basically it comes down to this; if you live in a NATO member country, you will survive, but if you live in a country that resists NATO, you will be assimilated, or die.

Anyone who watches Star Trek is probably familiar with the "Borg":

"We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. We are the Borg." - The Borg

If you just substitute "NATO" for "Borg", you will see what is to become of our world. We are to be assimilated into the collective.

Welcome to The NEW WORLD ORDER.

-- @ (@@@.@), June 12, 1999.

Al,

Absolutley, the reds (oops..Russain communists) will have Isreal on the top of their list of potential "capitolist" threats. OT: The recent patriotic dribble coming from the draft dodger really makes my milk congeal.

Got a purple heart?

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 12, 1999.

History shows: Empires rise, empires fall.
A few years ago some author said we had come to the end of history and nothing would be interesting anymore. Think they were a tad bit premature.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), June 12, 1999.

A&L,

Please, please my thoughtful GI's. Rethink your post. At the very best the coming events will rank up their with the fall of the Roman Empire, at the worst it will be along the lines of the extinction of the dinasours' at the end of the cretatious (sp). No, no I'm not talking about the extinction of the human race, only the signifigance of the outcome.

Wish I could spell. 55 gallon water jug?

Mike

Got pet triceratops?

Mike

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 12, 1999.

Say what?

[. At the very best the coming events will rank up their with the fall of the Roman Empire, at the worst it will be along the lines of the extinction of the dinasours' at the end of the cretatious (sp).]

Explain please, how does the BEST scenario equal the fall of Rome?

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), June 12, 1999.

At, I think I see a very serious flaw in your "NATO logic". That is the proliferation of chem and nuc weapons. Granted NATO would prevail in most conventional conflicts, given they were not concurent. However (I seem to be using that work alot don't I?), in this time of global awareness, hostiles will quickly recognise the advantage to be gained by making their move while we (U.S) are engaged elsewhere. Witness the recent probing by North Korea....this is a powder keg waiting for a fuse. We (U.S. military, and no I'm not active...just ex-Air Force) do not have the MAN power to engauge multiple enemie's on multiple fronts. This is a very serious issue and I hope some of our regular military (or ex) folks will chime in here and alaborate on this. I am descidedly un-qualified (shoot...I can't even spell".

Got tuna "c" rations?

Mike

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 12, 1999.

Mike,

I think NATO just proved how much manpower is actually needed to demolish a country. NATO lost only a couple men during training while annihilating the war machine of Milosevic, setting him back decades while they advance even further.

-- @ (@@@.@), June 12, 1999.

A,A, my freind, What war did we just win? What class of armed forces did we crush? What was the potential size of the hostiles? Yes we can handle this limited angagement in east europe. A REAL war is an entirely different story, and you know it. What's the male population of China? 700 million? In the military? Maybe 75 million?........ Let's not forget all the Nuc. technology our heroic draft dodger turned over to the reds for campaign funds.

Sorry Just one P****D O*F conservative. Old SAC motto "Lead follow or get out of the way" Hummmmm..............

-- MidwestMike_ (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 13, 1999.

My hypothesis:

We've done a great deal of infrastructure damage in the Kosovo area with air strikes, losing very few in the drawn out air campaign. It seems to me (A) Russia (yeltsin) mentioned if we send in ground troops into Kosovo for conflict (or seemedly so), he would nuke us. They recently (Russia) sent in ground troops and lied about advancement. They advanced anyway to get a head start for positioning. If they lie then how can they believe we weren't lying putting that many troops of ours in, just for peace-keeping. If confrontations accelerate, we could do some damage with our advanced weapon systems and back them into a corner, provoking their "response". Yeltsin could therefore, follow through, button in one hand, bottle in the other, sending many nukes into American homeland. Clinton, of course, signed the mutual assured destruction pact ( law, thingy or whatever) the first of 1997, saying we wouldn't strike back after the first blow from them to U.S>. The delays (i believe) we place on our ICBM nukes to make that so, only reassures the aggressive philosophy they know is at their advantage by attacking first.

Of course China mentioned if we stop the Taiwan take-over, they would wipe out L.A., while North Korea mentioned if we stopped the South Korea take-over, they would want to hit us too. Iraq is hurting with disfunctional refineries and other items due to us and declared retribution of some sort. That makes at least 4 countries who may not hesitate after biding their time. They all seem to be in bed together.

If they (Russia, china, Korea or Iraq in that order) wait after Y2k, they will be at more of a disadvantage than they are now, regarding military might and may never have an opportunity to undo U.S.A.

With as many troops as we have over there now during this so called peace period, they (Russia) may find us having difficulty nuking our own troops in that general area. They could nuke us from all directions and we'd have a hell of a time choosing targets to counter.

I've been scrambling in my mind how to deal with a possible 4th of July attack, if indeed anyone has manipulated a response for aggression between now and then. The part that urks me is that darm prophesy regarding 7th month during 1999 and this use of powerful weapons. I'm not "that" well informed about this prophesy stuff, however i've seen too much info lately regarding the attack during this time-frame. I even put myself on Bruce Beaches e-mailing list and he mentioned of the 4th issue, way after I had already generated enough paranoia from previous exposure to that prophesy information.

The whole thing is getting so surreal and it is not hard to see this kind of outcome after Yeltsin had staved off impeachment, keeping 200+ congressmen types from following through with that impeachment process several weeks ago. That drunkard I hope does not have a plan. He is already going down healthwise and the country has little to lose. Like I said before, we've done alot of collateral damage and we would have a difficult time nuking in a close vicinity to our amassed troops. Even if they sailed a concentrated load of nukes at us during this time (7th month 1999), would we really have enough time to respond?

Anyone is welcome to reassure my concerns here. I certainly have nothing to lose but my sanity or life anyway. I really don't like the chicken little routine nor do I like screwing with people psyches. I just felt a need to address this thread as it is listed and to lessen my own concerns in some way. Take a shot at my scenario.

-- Reggie (regular@needing.reassurance), June 13, 1999.

Hi Reggie:

A quick look at history tells us that both empires do fall (see Mughal, Ottoman, Qing, etc.), and that as long as weapons technology is in place it will be used. I encourage you to focus your energy on peacekeeping or humanitarian programs (as opposed to focusing it on despair) - at least you will know you are doing your part. The most comfort I can offer you is this: there is little you can do to prevent nuclear war. Again refer to your history book and you will find that man has exploited and victimized man since the dawn of his existence. It is an unfortunate side of social interaction, but it is, nevertheless, ever-present. Enjoy the time you have! For all we know you will live to be 100. Isn't that the exciting thing about our universe anyway? Random movement of chaotic elements. Incidentally, I've found a great site for antiwar information if anyone is interested.

Committee Against U.S. Intervention

-- Penguin (blue@yahoo.com), June 13, 1999.

Try this one:

Committee Against U.S. Intervention

I apologize for making an html mockery out of this page. I am thoroughly embarrassed and I promise to never post here again.

-- Penguin (blue@yahoo.com), June 13, 1999.

Wait Penguin, don't be so hard on yourself. An html mockery? If anything, you are a fine specimen!

-- Reggie (regular@needing.reassurance), June 13, 1999.

Midwest Mike,

I'm assuming your last response was for me, even though my correct name is @.

"A,A, my freind, What war did we just win?"

Exactly my point, my friend. It wasn't a war in Kosovo, it was mere annihilation. From this point forward, NATO will not be invoved in Wars, because the party on the receiving end of their attacks will not even be able to respond.

"A REAL war is an entirely different story, and you know it. What's the male population of China? 700 million? In the military? Maybe 75 million?........"

Are you suggesting that NATO is going to stand by and watch 75 million chinese soldiers just walk into the U.S. and take over? If you are as you say "ex-Air Force", then you must have retired eons ago, because you don't seem to understand that military domination is no longer about soldiers. Technology is far superior, and we've got the best. We didn't even have to have pilots in those planes, they could just as easily have been drones, and in the near future they will be. Our military commanders will be launching their attacks while sitting in front of a computer, like some kind of surreal Nintendo game.

"Let's not forget all the Nuc. technology our heroic draft dodger turned over to the reds for campaign funds."

Get your facts straight. Kissinger established the transfer of technology to the Chinese 26 years ago, and it has been going on ever since. Giving them obsolete technology is the reason we have always been light years ahead. While they waste time trying to figure out how to build it and use it, we've already developed far superior technology.

NATO has now firmly established that they will control Europe, and if Russia and China don't want to join in, they will wither away and die. The NATO union, driven by the New World Order agenda, has the power to starve any country economically, as demonstrated in Iraq, and now Kosovo.

Resistance is futile. You WILL be assimilated. You WILL become part of The Collective.

-- @ (@@@.@), June 13, 1999.

@.@@ I'm not so sure you have picked the winner in Kosova. Milosevic certainly looks like the one whose goals were acomplished, with the clear success in the cleansing, and now the Soviet success in partitioning, setting up a de facto Serb zone, kicking KFOR around like a poor redheaded stepchild.

chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), June 14, 1999.

In war there are no winners or losers.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 14, 1999.

Correction: In war there are no winners, just losers.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 14, 1999.

To the victors go the spoils...

Churchill?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.