"Proof" of the NWO?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
I found this link from WorldNetDaily:
It talks about the Bilderberger meeting in Portugal in June 1999. Can anyone speak to the authenticity of this? I realize that "proof" is nearly impossible to get for something like this, but this article alarms me. It mentions the major concerns of the NWO "conspiracy" types - one-world-government eliminating national sovreignty, and UN taxation. I have read this from the "Spotlight" web site before, but am still not convinced.
When I see something like this on the 'net, I question it. It would be easy for anybody with an IQ over 75 to produce something like this. Still I wonder if it is true. World events seem to suggest global government.
-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), May 06, 1999
Didn't you get your invitation yet?
Please call me on Channel 666 using your secret decoder ring on Security 2YsBad this A.M. Natasha will send it electronically to your right shoe heel.
CC: Natasha P.
-- Boris Badenough (Boris@MrBig.org), May 06, 1999.
Correct that. Use Channel 4YsGood on the decoder ring.
-- Boris (Boris@MrBig.org), May 06, 1999.
Will my Y2K Polly ring work? Or do I have to show the secret handshake as well?
-- Y2K Pro (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
I'll assume you gentlemen don't entirely agree with the jist of the link I provided...
-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), May 06, 1999.
sad to say, that group does exist. there has always been one like it, no matter what you call it. it's a bunch of rich and/or powerful people who want to be even more rich and powerful. i like the part in the article about them wanting the U.N. to directly tax everyone in the world. so much for tax havens, huh?
-- b (email@example.com), May 06, 1999.
Why don't we just bomb the hell out of 'em? no more NWO.
-- rick (Ifirstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
they own the bombs
-- we (email@example.com), May 06, 1999.
"Bilderberg, reputedly the most secretive organisation in the world, comprising presidents, royal families, ministers, top industrialists and financial leaders are set to meet in Sintra at the beginning of June. http://www.the-news.net/
-- marsh (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
Sorry - must still be asleep. Didn't realize you had posted the link already. MORE COFFEE NEEDED!
-- marsh. (email@example.com), May 06, 1999.
Never a NATO air strike when/where you need one.
-- just-P (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
I think it says a lot that some people launch into sarcastic ego-defense routines when confronted with the fact that the Bilderberger meetings are happening. That the richest and most powerful people in the military, industry, government and media meet annually in secret is not in the realm of "conspiracy theory" (some of the alleged transcripts of said meetings are, however). It's happening. We know that. And we should all be concerned about it, if we have some interest in not going down the oligarchic toilet, like every other democratic republic before us. It's really interesting that some people are so identified with the social order that they start squawking sarcastically when any non-official topic is brought up. I think these people have such a weak sense of self that they, as much as the power-mongers at the top, will be responsible for the downfall of our as yet free society. They are crippled; they feel unworthy of freedom, and unequal to the challenge it represents. So they, consciously or unconsciously, assist in creating a society where they can be told who they are, and what to do, and what to think. It's easier for them.
-- Dano (email@example.com), May 06, 1999.
Since the subject disturbs you, I will address it in a serious manner. Why do I not worry about the various cartels, societies and organizations that would like to tell me how to run my life? Simple answer: because they cannot read the future. They have a great tendency to fall into various scenarios they think will provide them openings for running this or that or buying this or that or taking over this or that. Seldom or never works very well, and when it does work they usually find out they did not acquire the power they were after. Look at what happened to OPEC - modeled on the old Texas Railroad Commission. They had it all - bunches of economists were predicting all kinds of bad things were going to happen to the West. Well, they caused a worldwide recession, and then had to produce more oil to keep from taxing their own people. So oil prices dropped, and dropped, and dropped - and now OPEC is a joke.
Do you think these people that you worry about had any idea of what the Internet would become? Kind of blew the old "we must control the tv stations" into a cocked hat, didn't it? Just like the TV stations blew the old "we must control the newspapers" away. Society moves too fast for the legitimate governments to keep up, never mind these shadow groups.
And that is why I quit worrying about the Illuminati types. Yes, there are some of them out there. And they are totally irrelevant.
-- Paul Davis (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
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-- Dieter (email@example.com), May 06, 1999.
Paul: I agree. The Invisible Hand of economic theory has a counterpart in politics. Conspiracy buffs have a tendency to give human cunning more credit than it deserves.
-- a (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 06, 1999.
I don't think your entirely wrong, but I do believe there is a powerful elite that control current and future events.
-- R. Wright (email@example.com), May 07, 1999.
Sadly, Paul and 'a', you both are very wrong. I could spend an hour and a large amount of bandwith to detail the fact that the United Nations, in concert with multi-national corporations, environmental groups, governments (yes, ours too), and with prince Charles himself spearheading groups, forums and organizations to bring about one world government under the guise of ecological concerns has been and is happening right here and now, under your respective noses.
In 1988 a chart was created called the 'New Models of Governance' outlining the structure of global government coming to a town near you. It included the internet as a common modality for communication. It is the Group of Seven who has pushed for the internet. All transactions of life are being shifted to an electronic format which can be monitored and controlled.
'Prince Charles, the sustainable Prince' by Joan Veon presents a very different analysis of what is happening on a global basis with governments, multinational corporations and even the roles of our state and local governments in indoctrinating us into a one world government.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 07, 1999.
Mass - if so, they don't have the power you are ascribing to them. Even IE4 has 128 bit NSF security for secure transactions. It takes a good supercomputer weeks to break a single encrypted message in that format. And NSF security is not hard to implement, Dr. Dobbs published a 4 line perl script that implements it a couple years ago out of disgust at the stupid security regulations around the issue - in theory their magazine could not be sent outside the US. And their script could take any level of security - if you used 1024 bit security it could not be broken using current machines during the lifetime of the SUN! These folks you worry about may not like PGP and the other privacy programs, but they can't put the genie back into the bottle. And hey, if you want real security, encrypt your message first in Blowfish, then use NSF. That is really gilding the lily.
And tracking of Internet traffic - well I suppose it is possible in theory - but in practice I just don't see how you could do it. Not for all the traffic out there. If someone thinks they can, I would really like to see their plans.
-- Paul Davis (email@example.com), May 10, 1999.
Paul, you are probably correct, however the use of encryption programs of that nature is extremely small. What I am talking about encompasses the entire population using the internet, not just the folks who would use encription in their emails to each other.
By the way, if any arm of the government wants to gain access to your use of an ISP, all they have to do is get a court order. They can hook up remotely and access your 'transactions' completely, without you knowing and without effort or bother from the ISP.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 11, 1999.