What is as important as water, food and fuel?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
I know that my mind is not capable of encompassing what may be all of ones Y2K requirements. Each of us can probably use more insights than we have thought of or found so far. What have you thought about that I and others may be missing?
-- Watchful (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999
Water, food, and fuel -- a great start.
Personal protection, healthcare needs, waste disposal, community organization next on my list.
-- rick blaine (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
A Positive Mental Attitude
BigFurDog ( I think I can )
-- BigFurDog (BugFurDog@snazzle.com), March 12, 1999.
Coffee, especially since most of it's imported.
-- jhollander (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
-- All you need (the beatles@.liver.pool), March 12, 1999.
Love ..... and Herbs & Berries. :)
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), March 12, 1999.
For survival--in this order, according to Susan Connery* (sp) we need what man has always needed:
1. Shelter 2. Water 3. Fire 4. Food
"Those are your needs. Everything else are wants." (Her quote)
If I've left out anything, please correct me. The Westergaard site has a link to her site. She teaches survival. Some great articles for downloading there. Cheers!
-- FM (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
All you need to do is to put into perspective the load of paranoid doo-doo some of the GIs (does that stand for Gomer Idiots or Goofy Idiots?)dole out here. Relax. Breathe.
-- Y2K Pro (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
The government lately has been starting to suggest people prepare for Y2K as if a bad storm were going to hit their area. Here are two problems people had to deal with in the aftermath of Huricane Hugo that are usually not considered when prepping for Y2K:
WASTE DISPOSAL AND SANITATION
Many septic systems were flooded from the high water levels or were damaged by falling trees. Sewage overflowed into city streets because of flood-damaged sewers. Toilets could not flush and were backed up due to broken sewer lines. Even toilet paper became in short supply. As an emergency measure, lime was issued for spreading on the ground to kill germs; and later, in populated areas, portable toilets were set up on the streets to lessen some of the sanitation hazards.
To add to the health danger, there were no garbage pickups.
INSECT AND RODENT INFESTATION
The local roach population boomed. Even "clean" motels incurred roach infestation, and roach bait and sprays were soon sold out. The debris, garbage, and decomposing food offered a haven, also, for rats and other rodents. Insects became a severe problem. Most of the prevailing homes had lost their window screens to the winds and mosquitoes were thick when the warm nights made it necessary to open the windows. In some areas, the mosquitos were like a fog, but repellents were not available.
-- Kevin (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
When you think food and fuel - extra supplies for the medicine chest. If we're out any longer than a week, you better think soap, and shampoo and I've bought several large containers of liquid laundry soap - it's easier to work with than powder and works well in cold water - uugh - hand washing clothes. Also toothpaste and deo - all else is bearable if you at least feel clean!! And chocolate for when all else is too much...
-- Valkyrie (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
I don'tknow, Watchful. What are you missing?
-- Dozing (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
A friend just called and hollered TOOLS AND TALENTS.
-- Watchful (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
Gold, Groceries, Guns, & God
-- fourgees (x@Q.com), March 12, 1999.
Watchful, It can be overwhelming to think of all the things we need to store. One great site that I got a 30 page list of possible items for storing up was on the y2k for women site. http://www.y2kwomen.com/
She lists many things I would have forgotten. It's called the Individual Preparedness Checklist and you can send it right to your printer. Hope this helps. Mary - got toilet paper?
-- Mary (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
Some good Irish Whisky lass. sscotty
-- Scotty (BLehman202@aol.com), March 12, 1999.
LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF BIG JUICY GUNS!!! MACHINE GUNS ARE A GOOD START, MAYBE SOME AUTOCANNON AND A COUPLE OF GRENADE LAUNCHERS TOO!!
GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS!!
-- Gunman (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
P.S. If you can be out firepowerered by a US Marine Division then YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH GUNS AND YOU NEED TO BUY MORE!!!!!
-- Gunman (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
-- Zoe (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
-- Leo (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
Despite the very troll-like quality of the two previous posts about guns, I would like to seriously address what I believe should be the number one physical item for survival. (A willingness and will to survive is always the first non-physical item.)
Whatever stuff you have will be of absolutely no use to you if you cannot protect it. Check that. It will be worse than no use to you, it will be a detriment to you.
Guns are not the only answer. One can protect one's belongings in one of two ways - stealth or action. Often overlooked is the stealth - hiding. This may be a valuable option for some. More that likely a combination of both methods are best.
While the detractors just love to cast most of us in the role of gun toting fanatics, I don't really give a tinkers dam about their caricatures. This attitude may also be an ingerdient in survival. But I digress.
Only if you can convince yourselve that others will not take your possesions by force can you afford to ignore planning to protect your goods (as well as you person).
So on the Bears list the ability to use force if required is numero uno.
God help me that I never have to use it. If I do, God help me to be standing when the smoke clears.
-- Greybear, just a big ol' teddybear (with teath)
- Got Defenses?, Got Hiddie Holes?
-- Greybear (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
Nevertheless, I want LOTS AND LOTS OF BIG JUICY HIGH-CALIBER GUNS. ROCKET LAUNCHERS TOO I THINK, AND ARTILLERY. LOTS AND LOTS AND *LOTS* OF BIG HEAVY GUNS. THE MORE THE BETTER.
THERE IS SOMETHING PHALLIC ABOUT A FIFTEEN INCH ARTILLERY PIECE YOU KNOW? (although MY artillery piece is a lot bigger than 15 inches!!)
-- Gunman (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.
-- Dilbert (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
Gunman: I wouldn't know about your 15 inches, but what caliber is your 15 inches? Yeh, I like guns too, lots and lots of guns. I love ammo lots of ammo in many different sizes. However, I haven't figured out where I can get me one of those machine guns, the military is very stingy with those things. Guns are the MOST important item to have because you will need to protect your fortress from those that will come to steal your water, food and nonedible supplies.
-- bardou (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
-- BC (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
Who needs sex when you have guns?
(With guns you can GET sex. Failing that, guns ARE sex!)
-- Gunman (email@example.com), March 12, 1999.
My friend who was in the Navy says that it can be hard to stay alert while standing guard for long periods of time especially at night and when you are cold and tired.
Got a dog ? an alarm system?
-- y2kbiker (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 1999.
Sure, sure, sure
-- Cranky (email@example.com), March 14, 1999.
Come on Cranky; these are good posts. Cheer up.
-- Watchful (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 14, 1999.