Is Hoarding Food Illegal?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
The following is an excerpt from Y2Knewswire Alert 12-19-98: -------------------------------------
Y2KNEWSWIRE followed up the evidence and researched government documents to arrive at this conclusion: hoarding food is currently *not* illegal, but ALL food can be confiscated if the President declares a national emergency.
Therefore, you're safe for now. Keep stocking additional food supplies. You'll thank yourself in a year. In the mean time, be aware of Executive Order 10998, which allows the federal control of all "food resources." What exactly are food resources? Here's how the Executive Order reads:
"Food resources" means all commodities and products, simple, mixed or compound, or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being eaten or drunk, by either human beings or animals' irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be. put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. For the purposes of this order the term "food resources" shall also include all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal fats and oils, cotton, tobacco, wool, mohair, hemp, flax fiber, and naval stores, but shall not include any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product."
Keep in mind that Clinton did *not* put this order into place. It was ordered by President Kennedy in 1962 at a time when war with Russia seemed likely.
However, in 1997, Clinton did author some Executive Orders that could allow a widespread computer attack ("cyber-terrorism") to be the event that justifies a declaration of national emergency.
When people on the Internet are talking about "anti-hoarding laws," they're really talking about this Executive Order and the idea that once a national emergency is declared, almost anything is possible. To our best knowledge, there are absolutely no laws on the books that make it illegal to store food.
Read the Executive Order details at: http://forums.cosmoaccess.net/forum/survival/prep/10998.htm
It is also not widely known, that for our own *good*, even if we have stocked and provided for our families more than sufficiently.....if the National Guard is sent to our area with the order to round up all individuals to bring them to a central place where they can make sure the population is adequately cared for and fed, we do not have a "choice" to stay in our own homes. They can take you out of your homes by force, if it is for "security" purposes. I did have supporting documentation for this, however, I have not located it in my files. If anyone has this documentation, please post it (and I will continue looking)....
-- Mr. Kennedy (y2kPCfixes@MotivatedSeller.com), January 28, 1999
Lessee... NG goes to house to take occupants to shelter, occupants decline, NG insists, occupants decline more emphatically, NG has a schedule to keep, they go to next house. This is the way it invariably goes in situations like this. Even when "mandatory evacuations" are ordered for threats from hurricanes, there are some who stay... they're simply told that they won't receive any further assistance if they get into trouble. Of course, if concentration ca... ooops, mass feeding centers are set up, and they start yanking people out of their homes by force, it must be resisted by any means available.
A more likely scenario is the "shelter in place" concept that is at the core of current OEM/FEMA strategy - in this instance, you could not leave your work/hotel/airport, whereever you were when the disaster started. From there, you could be taken against your will to a camp... er, center. Authorities have been doing it, too... keeping people under virtual lock and key during snowstorms and such, often under less-than-ideal conditions. All with the help of the local constabulary, of course... This is something to consider if you work a long ways from where you live, and also if you plan to go to a remote "bugout" when things get bad. You probably won't make it.
-- Why2K? (email@example.com), January 28, 1999.
Food for thought:
From the Constituion of the United States of America Article I, section 9 says
... The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. ...
If one were to rebel against having their food taken or being moved to a feeding center, what might happen?
-- Other Lisa (LisaWard2@aol.com), January 29, 1999.
They can confiscate food, but first they have to find it. They want to play the disinformation game, so can I. (I played it on their side for almost 10 years).
-- Steve Watson (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 29, 1999.
Remember, the Constitution is null and void where prohibited by law.
The Constitution is a piece of ass-wipe in the eyes of our so-called leaders, politicians, and bureaucrats.
What is legal today ("hoarding" food) may not be, tomorrow.
-- A (A@AisA.com), January 29, 1999.
I am stockpiling foods and other products to help those who will need it when the Great Depression falls upon America. I am doing nothing illegal. I want to help those who are still asleep.
-- dinosaur (email@example.com), January 29, 1999.
Dino -- what I'm saying is, while it is not illegal now, it may well be tomorrow, depending on the whims of our rulers.
You aren't going to have enough to help all those needing help you encounter. How are you going to decide? Never fear, govco will take it all from you, and the will decide who gets how much, including you.
You think this government is still better than any other in the world? Not for generations! If you think otherwise, dream on!
-- A (A@AisA.com), January 31, 1999.
Out of curiosity, would you fire on NG people who tried to confiscate your food?
Personally, if it was only myself at stake..I wouldn't. I can survive. I'm intelligent and adaptable. But if I was with someone, such as a girlfriend, then I would take whatever means I had to do in order to protect them. If that involves shooting government people..well, I don't know if I'd live with myself after the event, but...
-- Leo (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
a lot of country people still have gardens and they grow enough to can until the next harvest. a 1-year supply of home-canned goods has always been as american as apple pie.
-- jocelyne slough (email@example.com), January 31, 1999.
Leo -- you're gonna be dead. Whose life is more valuable? Yours or some government puke? Whether or not you're on your own? That is one of the stupidest things I've heard: "If I'm on my own, I'll just roll over and stick my ass in the air, but maybe I'll fight for my girl friend".
-- A (A@AisA.com), February 01, 1999.
I figure that if they want to take the supplies you need to live, then they are trying to KILL you, albiet more slowly, and will take appropriate action.
I believe that any govt goon who violates the Constitution is no longer a public "servant" (as if they ever were :) ) ;he no longer deserves such status, and should be treated as any common thug.
Best bet is to shut up and not let your neighbors know that you have prepared, and they can't rat you out.
ANY NG/Army trooper who forcibly tries to relocate me from my home is going to get it. Convincing me to leave is one thing, but threatening lethal force is another thing entirely.
-- Bill (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 1999.