The two statements are not equivalent. A might imply B, but is not equivalent to, simple as that. While the vote may have a simliarity, it deals with a different universal qualifier than Pat's.(posted 9064 days ago)And I'm not taking sides, although you already know how I'm voting. I like real mahjongg, and I don'tmind the arcade mahjongg, i just don't think it or poker belong on MARP, for reasons listed in the first post. This is just a debate post and a request for a vote, that's all.