>From: Damien Youth
>Reply-To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
>To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [psychedelica] DMT and Owsley
>Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:48:31 -0600
>
>Considering there must have been a time when human's had to take
the
>laboratory
>approach to finding out what is & isn't fit for human consumption,
I
>suspect such
>natural hallucinogen's must have been ingested & could well have
been the
>recipe
>of the conception of god's. The question becomes, "Am I seeing
things that
>are
>not there because I am on a drug? or am I seeing things that have
always
>been
>there thanks to this drug?"
>
>I am fascinated by breaking out of the hypnotic trance of
consciousness &
>experiencing the higher levels of consciousness & awareness. And we
know we
>have
>various levels of awareness. Have you ever closed your eye right
before the
>bug
>ran into your lid? You didn't think "Hey here comes a bug, I think
it's
>coming
>towards my eye, I'll close my eye to keep that from happening" You
just
>closed
>your eye & then realized, only after, why you closed your eye. I
strongly
>believe
>there is some part of the mind that is so mathematically precise
that it
>can
>deduce the out come of a situation before it takes place, the
future! If it
>realizes it strongly enough, in a way, it has already been there. I
believe
>this
>could be one of the explanations for dejavu. If I stack ten
dominoes next
>to each
>other, then you watch as I tap the first domino, you watch as it
falls into
>the
>second domino, I believe, even if you turn away, your minds eye saw
the
>last
>domino fall. But that is our minds deduction abilities at it's most
>simplistic. I
>believe there are more complex areas of the mind that can deduce an
>"effect"
>before the conscious mind is even aware of the "cause". Like the
bug & the
>eye
>lid thing.
>
>I feel like I have consciously been through the crawl space that
leads to
>the
>other levels of consciousness & I have seen the peripheral
residents &
>yes, in
>my adult life I have done this by ingesting certain elements of
this earth
>;-)
>
>Though I must say, Mushrooms only made me laugh my ass off & then I
had an
>allergic reaction & had to go to the emergency room to have my
stomach
>pumped!!!
>The emergency ward is the worst place to have a trip! I remember
seeing a
>burn
>victim being rushed by on a big bed & people running up to surround
him. I
>would
>have sworn that they had just cooked him, the bed was really a
trey, the
>medical
>staff were really a kitchen staff & they were preparing the man for
dinner!
>The
>worst part was my stomach started to growl!!!! So I don't do
mushrooms
>anymore
>:-)
>
>
> > Personal choice is personal choice, but I've got to wonder why
anyone
>would
> > take such a risk with themselves.
>
>I'm quite sure natural hallucinogenic plants must have been
consumed before
>one
>of us gathered up the courage to be the first person to eat an egg.
>(Choice:
>Cute little green plant on the side of the hill top? or Hard white
object
>with
>slimy insides that fell from a chickens ass.) I think people take
greater
>risk
>experimenting with new fad diet pills or even joining in with
indulging in
>things
>that have proven themselves to be dangerous.
>
> > I don't see much difference between this
> > experience and that of walking into my kitchen, randomly pulling
out a
>bottle
> > of cleaner or disinfectant, taking a slug and waiting to see
what
>happens ...
>
>And with thoughts like that, you should definitely not do
hallucinogen's!
>
> >
> > will I get a buzz, find myself kissing the porcelean goddess,
or
>something
> > far worse ...
> >
>
>If you drink too much cheap hooch you will :-)
>
> >
> > Not to second guess anyone (and spiritual growth is a wonderful
>concept), but
> > this sure seems like a dumb way to try to attain such growth.
Go for a
> > strenuous outdoor hike, climb a local hill and enjoy the view,
put your
>young
> > kids to bed at night - all provide an enjoyable experience that
has to
>be as
> > good as DMT ...
> >
>
>I really respect what you are saying here.... But! if there is no
danger in
>DMT
>why exclude it from the other enjoyable experiences?
>
>Side note: One of the most radical mind states I have ever been in
was
>brought on
>by sleep deprivation. I was driving back from a gig in florida one
night,
>totally
>sober! I felt like I wasn't going to be able to stay awake, my
guitar
>player was
>already sleeping in the passenger seat. I decided I should pull off
at the
>next
>convenient store I come upon. I spotted one & started to pull off,
my
>guitar
>player jumped up & started yelling & grabbing the wheel! THERE WAS
NO
>CONVENIENT
>STORE!!!!!!!! It was a cow field! Later I thought, what if my
guitar player
>had
>woken up a few minutes later, would he have awoken to me standing
in a cow
>field
>trying to purchase a candy bar? & god forbid what I may have been
carrying
>up to
>the counter in place of an actual candy bar! And god forbid even
further if
>I had
>successfully checked out & began eating the supposed candy bar as I
climbed
>back
>into the truck!..... OKAY! I'll stop!
>
>luv,
>dy
>
>
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(posted 8187 days ago)